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post #181 of 7068 Old 08-28-2008, 01:36 PM
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^^That just means the 2500 is BD-Live "ready" out of the box. If you do a search for the 2500, every place sites a firmware upgrade to 2.0 profile.

Welcome to the world of BS marketing.

Again, there doesn't seem to be any difference between the 2500 and 2550. Same specs, same expected prices.

No, the 2500 will be 2.0 out of the box, no firmware upgrade needed. It releases in October. The firmware upgrade for the 1500/2550 to go to 2.0 will be released around the same time. The 2500 will already ship with the latest firmware and have 2.0 enabled out of the box.
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What are you watching it on?

Panasionic 58PZ700U plasma, going through my Onkyo 805 receiver first via HDMI. No settings were changed on the TV or receiver when viewing both units.

One item I did forget to mention though, is that when watching the Resident Evil Extinction BD, when it first loads it shows a white bird that slowly fills up with red as it is loading. The Samsung 2550 was just about 1 1/2 times faster filling the bird up with red than the Sony S350. But on the other hand, perhaps that could have been the cause, or maybe it is the internal flash memory (???) that was causing the bad artifacts and improper screen loading of the rating/Interpol-FBI warning screens? But once the actual movie started to play, there seemed to be no problems within the limited time I watched it (did not complete the entire movie with either unit - would have taken too long).
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No, the 2500 will be 2.0 out of the box, no firmware upgrade needed. It releases in October. The firmware upgrade for the 1500/2550 to go to 2.0 will be released around the same time. The 2500 will already ship with the latest firmware and have 2.0 enabled out of the box.

Well...I can quote press articles also...here...and it says the 2500 will need a firmware update to reach Profile 2.0

So...I guess we'll see...but knowing Samsung...I'd bet on a firmware update.

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Well...I can quote press articles also...here...and it says the 2500 will need a firmware update to reach Profile 2.0

So...I guess we'll see...but knowing Samsung...I'd bet on a firmware update.

Uh, there is a difference between a article written my some clueless journalist and an official press release from Samsung.

What I quoted was directly from Samsung. You keep referring to the clueless journalist...
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The 2500 and the 2550 are just improved versions of the 1500. They have all the same flaws and shortcomings of the 1500. All Samsung did was slap a HQV chip into the 1500 design, and add additional cooling to handle the added heat load. They even have the same cheap, noisy drive. It was just a way for Samsung to add a $20 part to an existing design and mark the retail up $100.

Dude, you are 100% right......I can't believe that people keep getting duped into buying these things, Samsungs track record with bluray is really a disgrace.
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^^That just means the 2500 is BD-Live "ready" out of the box. If you do a search for the 2500, every place sites a firmware upgrade to 2.0 profile.

Welcome to the world of BS marketing.

Again, there doesn't seem to be any difference between the 2500 and 2550. Same specs, same manual, same expected prices.

No. It WILL be BD-Live out of the box. No need for FW upgrade. Same price as the 2550 and definitely coming in October
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Do you guys think that the BD-P2550 is Samsung's best blu-ray player?

The 1500 is a better value, it will have the same failings as the 2550 for 20% less. As far as the reon chip is concerned, I have had several DVD players with the reon chip and frankly, unless you are looking at testing patterns, you can get a wonderfully sharp and colorful picture from DVD players utilizing other chips.

One of the benefits of not putting too much emphasis in a "chip" is that often the joy of using a DVD player is having one that has quick response, great menus, excellent audio, reliability, a good remote, etc. If you choose a DVD player that excells in those areas, then the tiny differences experienced by a player that is able to pass a few more hurdles in split second instance will be far overshadowed by a more satisfying user experience.
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The Panasonic BD50 advertises playing DVD's at 24 fps as well...

Thanks EWL5. That makes it two...
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No, the 2500 will be 2.0 out of the box, no firmware upgrade needed. It releases in October. The firmware upgrade for the 1500/2550 to go to 2.0 will be released around the same time. The 2500 will already ship with the latest firmware and have 2.0 enabled out of the box.

Look, there is nothing in the press release that you quoted that says any different than it being BD-Live "ready" out of the box. I think you read too much into "out of the box". It doesn't literally say what you say it says.

But there is progress, before you were saying the 2500 was different hardware than the 2550 and now it's the same just with the latest firmware already installed.

Hopefully, you will see what I was saying is true no matter what firmware is installed.

Also, given that Oct is about a month away for general availability of the 2500. For Samsung to manufacture and distribute 2500 inventory in time, they must already have the profile 2.0 firmware. So why haven't we seen it for the 2550 or 1500? Especially, as in your opinion, if they are supposedly all beta testers anyway.
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The 1500 is a better value, it will have the same failings as the 2550 for 20% less. As far as the reon chip is concerned, I have had several DVD players with the reon chip and frankly, unless you are looking at testing patterns, you can get a wonderfully sharp and colorful picture from DVD players utilizing other chips.

One of the benefits of not putting too much emphasis in a "chip" is that often the joy of using a DVD player is having one that has quick response, great menus, excellent audio, reliability, a good remote, etc. If you choose a DVD player that excells in those areas, then the tiny differences experienced by a player that is able to pass a few more hurdles in split second instance will be far overshadowed by a more satisfying user experience.

I totally agree (in BOLD). And though I had high expectations for the 2550 and the Reon chip, and on paper it sounded great, in real life there was not much of a difference at all between the 2550 and the Sony S350. And if the 2500 is not going to be any bit different, then I will just wait for the S550 to come out, or the Panasonic BD35/BD55 and see if their new ones are more improved than the current models. I honestly gave Samsung a chance here (there other products are truly great!!!), but for BD I found them lacking
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Look, there is nothing in the press release that you quoted that says any different than it being BD-Live "ready" out of the box. I think you read too much into "out of the box". It doesn't literally say what you say it says.

But there is progress, before you were saying the 2500 was different hardware than the 2550 and now it's the same just with the latest firmware already installed.

Hopefully, you will see what I was saying is true no matter what firmware is installed.

Also, given that Oct is about a month away for general availability of the 2500. For Samsung to manufacture and distribute 2500 inventory in time, they must already have the profile 2.0 firmware. So why haven't we seen it for the 2550 or 1500? Especially, as in your opinion, if they are supposedly all beta testers anyway.

Invest in a pair of glasses...

From Samsung's release:

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Samsung's BD-P2500 meets all of the current BD Profile requirements right out of the box, allowing consumers to instantly enjoy the latest interactive features available, including BD Liveā„¢ (Profile 2.0) and Bonus View (Profile 1.1), creating new ways to experience favorite movies.

Note how it says that right out of the box, consumers can instantly enjoy the latest features, including BD Live (Profile 2.0).

Just suck it up, you're wrong...
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Invest in a pair of glasses...

From Samsung's release:



Note how it says that right out of the box, consumers can instantly enjoy the latest features, including BD Live (Profile 2.0).

Just suck it up, you're wrong...

What are you 12? Grow up.

Consumers can still "instantly" enjoy the latest features with the player "out of the box" after a firmware update available at some point in the future. It's just a press release, not a truth in advertising statement or anything Samsung can be held liable for like statements in a manual or on the side of the box.

Again, if the availability date is true then the firmware must already exist. Given the similarities between the 2500, 2550 and 1500, we should see the profile 2.0 support updates for the 1500 and 2550 now.

I'll believe it once I see this firmware. Other than that it is just free advertisement from the blogosphere for the new player and fuel for rantings from babies like you.
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I totally agree (in BOLD). And though I had high expectations for the 2550 and the Reon chip, and on paper it sounded great, in real life there was not much of a difference at all between the 2550 and the Sony S350. And if the 2500 is not going to be any bit different, then I will just wait for the S550 to come out, or the Panasonic BD35/BD55 and see if their new ones are more improved than the current models. I honestly gave Samsung a chance here (there other products are truly great!!!), but for BD I found them lacking

I also had high expectations with the P2550, but this blu-ray player is not the right one for me. A few days ago I bought the Sony BDP-BX1 at Costco and it seems to be the right one for me for now. I was thinking of getting the Pioneer BDP-51FD but decided that its too much money for me to spend. Can't wait till the new Pannys and the S550. Currently, I'm selling the P2550 with the 4 year warranty instead of returning it to the store, because I returned too many items to the same store and they got a return tracking system in their network. The store manager got paged to talk to me about my excessive returns.
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Again, if the availability date is true then the firmware must already exist. Given the similarities between the 2500, 2550 and 1500, we should see the profile 2.0 support updates for the 1500 and 2550 now.

Agreed. This is the beginning of September, the players are built in Asia, and put on the "slow boat" to America...with a minimum of 11 days, but more like 17 days iirc. The firmware would need to be done very soon to make it on the production floor in time for shipping, to make that October release date in the US...unless it's October 45th, 2008...

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I also had high expectations with the P2550, but this blu-ray player is not the right one for me. A few days ago I bought the Sony BDP-BX1 at Costco and it seems to be the right one for me for now. I was thinking of getting the Pioneer BDP-51FD but decided that its too much money for me to spend. Can't wait till the new Pannys and the S550. Currently, I'm selling the P2550 with the 4 year warranty instead of returning it to the store, because I returned too many items to the same store and they got a return tracking system in their network. The store manager got paged to talk to me about my excessive returns.

If that's the same store where you returned the S350's that you had problems with, I don't blame them.. BTW, you do know that the BX1 is really a S350? Just curious, what is wrong with the P2550 for you?
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Well, absolutely zero jaggies here with 1080p/60 on a XA2. Never heard that complaint before. Maybe you have a bad player...

Sorry for OT. The artifacts and jaggies with DVD output at 1080P24 is only with the menus and video based 480i contents. Film based 480i contents look perfect at 1080p24 with no noticible 3:2 judder.

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I also had high expectations with the P2550, but this blu-ray player is not the right one for me. A few days ago I bought the Sony BDP-BX1 at Costco and it seems to be the right one for me for now. I was thinking of getting the Pioneer BDP-51FD but decided that its too much money for me to spend. Can't wait till the new Pannys and the S550. Currently, I'm selling the P2550 with the 4 year warranty instead of returning it to the store, because I returned too many items to the same store and they got a return tracking system in their network. The store manager got paged to talk to me about my excessive returns.

I read your initial review on HD Forums here...what changed your mind so drastically? You gave it such a rave review previously...

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If that's the same store where you returned the S350's that you had problems with, I don't blame them.. BTW, you do know that the BX1 is really a S350?

It was the same store. I still think that they received a bad batch of S350s and they are not admitting to it. The BX1 has no problems at all. The BX1 looks exactly like the S350, but BX1 does have some changes to it. The changes are:
1. A backlit remote.
2. HDMI cable included.
3. No Dolby TrueHD Logo on the BX1. I assume that it means that it has no internal Dolby TrueHD decoder, but can bitstream it and other HD audio formats (DTS HD and DTS HD MA). I really don't care about the internal audio decoding, because my Yamaha RX-V1800 AVR does the decoding for me.
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I read your initial review on HD Forums here...what changed your mind so drastically? You gave it such a rave review previously...

It was my early impressions on it, but a week later I felt that it is not the right blu-ray player for me.
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It was my early impressions on it, but a week later I felt that it is not the right blu-ray player for me.

If you don't mind, what specifically did you find wrong with the player for you?
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If you don't mind, what specifically did you find wrong with the player for you?

Specifically the P2550 functions great and I really don't have any issues with it.
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Specifically the P2550 functions great and I really don't have any issues with it.

I'm confused. Why don't you still have it?
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Specifically the P2550 functions great and I really don't have any issues with it.

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I'm confused. Why don't you still have it?

I was thinking of another thing when I wrote that I had no issues with the P2550. Here are the issues.
1. The Samsung info display is not great. The Sony has very good one. The BDP-BX1 tells you the resolution, the type of video codec with bitrate, audio codec its using, and it shows the time into and remaining time in the movie.
2. The P2550 has an annoying charm when its done powering up and when I power down the P2550.

I still have the P2550 with me. It's in the box waiting for a buyer.
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Specifically the P2550 functions great and I really don't have any issues with it.

I see you're selling ithere.

I'd understand if your system was SONY or something...

Did it "yell" at you and "belittle" you? Was it an "unfriendly" Blu-Ray player?

You gave such a glaring review...just trying to make sense of all your posts.

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I see you're selling ithere.

I'd understand if your system was SONY or something...

Did it "yell" at you and "belittle" you? Was it an "unfriendly" Blu-Ray player?

You gave such a glaring review...just trying to make sense of all your posts.

Yep thats mine. The reason why I gave it a good review because it was my early impressions, but after a week of usage it is not the right one for me. Its still a good blu-ray/dvd player.
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Yep thats mine. The reason why I gave it a good review because it was my early impressions, but after a week of usage it is not the right one for me. Its still a good blu-ray/dvd player.

Probably a good idea to not give a review until giving the player a good going over. Use your BX1 for a couple of weeks before giving us a review.
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2. The P2550 has an annoying charm when its done powering up and when I power down the P2550.

You can turn it off in the setup menu.
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You can turn it off in the setup menu.

Actually for me, I thought that "BONG" sound was kind of cool. But cool stuff only don't make a player great.

To my eyes, and I spent a few hours going over the same scenes again and again - I could find no real difference between the PQ of regular DVD's on both the 2550 or the S350. And as both play BD's, and both bistream (I have the Onkyo 805 that decodes), the PQ of regular DVD's was what I was now basing my choice on. And the 2550 was not THAT much better to justify the higher cost.

Also, Kage mentions, like I did earlier, that the info screen on the 2550 paled compared to the S350, which was actually quite similar to the same on the PS3 I have. Though it might not seem like much of a big deal, it is nice to have that information when you may be testing your system for all sorts of settings and such.

And, seeing as the S350 will be lowered in price by $100 around late September (and still within my price match time limit with BB), as well as the S550 will now be lower - then again the 2550 pales in comparison.

But these are my thoughts and gut feelings, mileage may vary for others, and with different HT components. So my needs are never the same as anyone else's.
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Actually for me, I thought that "BONG" sound was kind of cool. But cool stuff only don't make a player great.

To my eyes, and I spent a few hours going over the same scenes again and again - I could find no real difference between the PQ of regular DVD's on both the 2550 or the S350. And as both play BD's, and both bistream (I have the Onkyo 805 that decodes), the PQ of regular DVD's was what I was now basing my choice on. And the 2550 was not THAT much better to justify the higher cost.

Also, Kage mentions, like I did earlier, that the info screen on the 2550 paled compared to the S350, which was actually quite similar to the same on the PS3 I have. Though it might not seem like much of a big deal, it is nice to have that information when you may be testing your system for all sorts of settings and such.

And, seeing as the S350 will be lowered in price by $100 around late September (and still within my price match time limit with BB), as well as the S550 will now be lower - then again the 2550 pales in comparison.

But these are my thoughts and gut feelings, mileage may vary for others, and with different HT components. So my needs are never the same as anyone else's.

Maybe you should try a DVD with a poor transfer rather than playing the same DVD over and over again. The better the quality of the DVD transfer the less of a difference there should be when upscaled between the 2550 and S350. Just a thought.
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