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I have a good scaler and I want to bypass any unnecessary processing of the image, and not have to reconfigure the player each time I switch from SD DVD to BD. Has anybody compiled of list of players with this feature?
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Think this came up before, but here are the ones I know of:

Pioneer- HD1, 94HD, 95HD (not sure about new ones)

Sony- S1, S300,S500, S2000es

These are the only ones I know of that will output source direct (480i doe SD DVD, and 1080p24 for BD without changing anything but the disc).

Just enjoy HD in whatever form you can (Sat, Cable, D-VHS, OTA, HD DVD, or BD).
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Thanks. It seems they're moving away from it, so hard to get the newer sound formats together with source direct unless you pay $$$.
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The new Pioneers (51FD and 05FD) have it as well.
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What about the new Sony 350 & 550 will they have it?
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I have a good scaler and I want to bypass any unnecessary processing of the image, and not have to reconfigure the player each time I switch from SD DVD to BD. Has anybody compiled of list of players with this feature?

Of the current models, Pioneer BDP-51FD, Pioneer BDP-05FD, Pioneer BDP-09FD.
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What about the new Sony 350 & 550 will they have it?

No.
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the upcoming Oppo BDP-83 will have this feature also...

Odd that more manufacturers don't support it.
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I did a search but didn't come up with anything on this, I'm suprised it's not a more frequent topic...

I'm in the market for a Blu-Ray player to replace my PS3, and I'm looking for the best "source direct" option. The Oppo player advertises that it will do what I'm looking for, but I don't need it's other bells and whistles, and it's not on the market yet. I am curious if there is another option that's available now and maybe less expensive.

I'm running a Denon AVP-A1HDCI processor with Relta video processing and I'd like to keep all the video processing and audio decoding done there - I don't want the Blu-Ray player to touch anything.

I don't need:
*Profile 2.0
*Netflix/YouTube/Amazon/Etc. (I have those with other devices)
*SACD/DVD-A
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I'm looking for the same thing.

I'm considering the BDP-51FD but may wait for the BDP-320. Oppo is an option depending on the price.

My short list:
Pioneer BDP-05FD & BDP-51FD
Wait for Oppo DBP-83
Wait for Pioneer BDP-320

Others may tell you to go here.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=969206
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I'm looking for the same thing.

I'm considering the BDP-51FD but may wait for the BDP-320. Oppo is an option depending on the price.

My short list:
Pioneer BDP-05FD & BDP-51FD
Wait for Oppo DBP-83
Wait for Pioneer BDP-320

Others may tell you to go here.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=969206

Figures I overlooked the sticky post I'll take my question there, thanks
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Denon DVD-2500BTCI

Single HDMI output. No audio DAC, no video DAC. It is simply a transport.

It retails for $1000 but it is in closeout so you should be able to snag one for <$500. You likely can find one cheaper than that if you look hard enough.

Built like a tank. There is an owners thread for it in this forum.
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Denon DVD-2500BTCI

Single HDMI output. No audio DAC, no video DAC. It is simply a transport.

It retails for $1000 but it is in closeout so you should be able to snag one for <$500. You likely can find one cheaper than that if you look hard enough.

Built like a tank. There is an owners thread for it in this forum.

Doesn't have a source direct option for the video and the deinterlacer is supposedly less than stellar.

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Also consider your connection type as an option. Some BD players will do 480i over S-Video and composite... and maybe component.

Simultaneously connecting HDMI for 1080p/24 sources. Video input selection would still have to be set separately by the scaler device tho .

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I am trying to bypass all the marketing driven video processing currently saturating the market and just get to the actual video on the disc.

Does any player allow this ?

All high end players now have video processing i do not want and do not need which to some degree degrade picture..

Im using a Sim2 HT5000E and have a very clear view of the picture and so far these added chips for video processing all take away some picture quality and do not add any useful features.

So I am looking for a modern player that is high end with defeatable video processing.
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Oppo players have switchable source direct which bypasses all video processing

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You will find the Source Direct feature on most current Pioneer and Denon BD players. I believe Marantz as well, as it is a "kissing" cousin of Denon.

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My BDP-05FD, still going strong and still my favorite player!

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Ok cool,,,, i think..

Denon says "source direct" is for audio here, but is under the video section..
http://www.usa.denon.com/DVD-A1UDCI_Lit1222.pdf

So someone here has verified that it really does *bypass* any video processing chip. Like almost physically. Sometimes turning off processing still leaves the processing inline just sets all its parameters to 0 still leaving it doing the math on the video and loosing some small quality because of limitation on processing bit depth in the math. I want to bypass any chips.

Also adding in menu overlay's can introduce errors even when the menus are not on screen.

The $8000 McIntosh MVP881BR does not appear to have this functionality anywhere in the menu's. Just FYI. http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/1398.asp even tho it appears to be based on the Denon mentioned above.

Is there someone here who has traced the video path and can say 100% that everything is bypassed ? I would feel better if so.. Maybe some HDMI data analyzer probing the bitstream as it goes..
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Ok so, one test would seem simple...

So the output format on the HDMI changes with the format on the disc correct ?

If I put in a disc that has 1080-59.94 on it the HDMI will switch to this format, If I put in a 1080P23.98 based disc it will switch output formats on the HDMI to match, is this correct and is this what happens ?

Any other behavior would imply processing.
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Even the Oppo page is written a bit odd..

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True 24p™ Video - Many Blu-ray Discs are recorded at 24 frames per second, the same frame rate as the original movie's theatrical release. The BDP-83 can faithfully redeliver the original frames using 1080p 24Hz output

The key word here is "redeliver". So no doubt 3/2 is done by some processing math.

I assume "True 24p™ Video" is disabled in source direct ?


What happens when you have a 59.94 display or are using analog component and the disc is 23.98 ? Does the player add 3/2 ? even if its in source direct ?


I also assume this is disabled in the Oppo "source direct"

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Multiple Zoom Modes - The BDP-83 supports multiple levels of aspect ratio control and image zooming, including a vertical stretch mode for customers with a 2.35:1 CIH (Constant Image Height) display system.

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Ok so for the Oppo this is what happens:

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Some ABT VRS processing is bypassed when using Source Direct. When set to Source Direct the player does:

* color space conversion
* picture controls (brightness, contrast, saturation)

...but does not do:

* PReP
* deinterlacing
* noise reduction
* detail or edge enhancement
* scaling
* frame rate conversion
* chroma upsampling error detection and correction
* Y/C delay
* aspect ratio control
* zoom

Note that your display must be capable of receiving a 1080p24 signal, or you will get no video when playing Blu-ray with Source Direct.

So the math on the 8 bit signal is still done and some processing is still being done even in "source direct".

This sounds like what most players will also do..
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Im specifically looking for this feature on a blue ray player, its my number 1 priority.

Can anyone tell me what players will do this beside the pioneer and oppo?

The last poster says most blue rays do this but im having trouble locating any.
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Im specifically looking for this feature on a blue ray player, its my number 1 priority.

Can anyone tell me what players will do this beside the pioneer and oppo?

The last poster says most blue rays do this but im having trouble locating any.

See the Source Direct column on Winston's page: http://winstonsreviews.com/?page_id=69

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The Onkyo 808 (unreleased) has a light for Source Direct on the front. I believe it uses the QDEO chip also. Looks like a very nice player to compete with the Oppo and Mid level Denon's.
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Im specifically looking for this feature on a blue ray player, its my number 1 priority.

Can anyone tell me what players will do this beside the pioneer and oppo?

The last poster says most blue rays do this but im having trouble locating any.

If you don't want Pioneer or Oppo, how about giving us an idea of which brands you do like? Panasonic doesn't do what you want, so what's left?
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Wow whats with the aggressive response. Never said I did not want pioneer or oppo, just curious what else their is.

I do like to look at all options before purchase.

You do realize samsung, yamaha, jvc, sony, ect.. also make br players.

Its not just 3.
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Also my receiver only does loseless pcm. Is their any player pioneer or oppo that pass video only source direct, and will decode audio?
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Doesn't every player do source direct via component by default?
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The point of source direct is to pass an unaltered signal to a video processor or receiver with decent video processing. In addition to that, doing so with a single cable without having to change the resolution when you swap out 1080p24, 1080i50, 480i, etc... So no, you cannot accomplish this with component cables as they do not pass above 1080i or have any type of "auto" resolution changes. The cable cannot do this, as it is just a cable.

You kind of need a processor to understand need for Source Direct.
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Also my receiver only does loseless pcm. Is their any player pioneer or oppo that pass video only source direct, and will decode audio?

Yes, you can pass video Source Direct and have full control over audio, if you choose. Atleast Pioneer allows this. Pretty sure you can even pass analog audio while using Source Direct, if you need to.
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