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I don't want to drag this thread into a PS3 discussion, so could someone PM me some typical loads times for the PS3? I'm trying to understand how much faster it is vs. the latest Pioneer, Panasonic, and Sony options in order to gauge the BDP-83's anticipated improvements.

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...Each is a new production, recorded live. No old tapes, in fact, no tapes at all. Everything is recorded on hard drives. They are the highest fidelity recorded audio ever offered to consumers.

I agree with the folks at Abso!ute Sound who, years ago, said that "the quality of the music is inversely proportional to the quality of the sound" (I paraphrase).

I have yet to hear an audiophile recording (i.e., one that is recorded primarily to recreate audiophile type sound) that contains music that even remotely can compare to classic recordings of the same musical pieces.....and don't even get me started on so-called New Age music. Bleccccccccchhhhhhhhhhh!!!



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I don't want to drag this thread into a PS3 discussion, so could someone PM me some typical loads times for the PS3? I'm trying to understand how much faster it is vs. the latest Pioneer, Panasonic, and Sony options in order to gauge the BDP-83's anticipated improvements.

See the BD player shootout thread.

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See the BD player shootout thread.

Here's the link.

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I don't want to drag this thread into a PS3 discussion, so could someone PM me some typical loads times for the PS3? I'm trying to understand how much faster it is vs. the latest Pioneer, Panasonic, and Sony options in order to gauge the BDP-83's anticipated improvements.

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See the BD player shootout thread.

Not a valid comparison for most new titles since they all use BD-JAVA. Quick review of past posts show POTC:COBP loading times as follows from player off to first studio image.

PS3: 30-40 secs
Sony BDP300: 3 min 3 sec
Samsung BD-1400: 2 min 16 sec
Pioneer BDP-05: 1 min 20 sec

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Thanks for the info all, very helpful.

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Hi !

Do you know if oppo digital works on a BD-player designed to be associated with External Video Processors or Scalers ?

A BD-player with the following features would be greatly appreciated :

- Pure 24p on HDMI
- Pure 1080i on HDMI
- Pure 576i / 480i on HDMI
- One HDMI output for VIDEO/AUDIO
- One HDMI output for AUDIO only [ this feature allows to ensure the compatibility with scalers based on HDMI 1.1/1.2 version and scalers with HD-SDI input. With this output HD AUDIO can be sent directly to the audio processor ]
- hardware design easily upgradable to a HD-SDI modification


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alex_t -- The Pioneer 05FD/51FD do the first 3, and I believe that, at least, the Panasonic BDP-50 does, as well. So that should not be a problem for the new Oppo BDP-83 either. All BD players have the HDMI Audio/Video output.

The only unique items you have mentioned are the second HDMI, audio only, output and the HD-SDI capability. The HD-SDI capability is something that only a small minority of buyers would be able to take advantage of.

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what is the time between BD 30 and 983?

I have the BD-30, but still use my Oppo 981 for DVDs. Partially due to the much faster layer change with the 981, than with the BD-30 for DVDs.
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I have the BD-30, but still use my Oppo 981 for DVDs. Partially due to the much faster layer change with the 981, than with the BD-30 for DVDs.

Have you compared Star War II layer change with players? I am planning to replace my 30 with the Oppo.
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Have you compared Star War II layer change with players? I am planning to replace my 30 with the Oppo.

I got out a stopwatch this morning due to some of this discussion and tried to figure out the layer change time for the 983H and BD30 on this very disc. I think the BD30 was taking around 1.2 seconds for the layer change, while the 983H was turning in a layer change of maybe 0.1 or 0.15 seconds (hard to say when the stopwatch in question only records to a tenth of a second). The HD-A2 took closer to 1.3 seconds, by the way.

Of course (returning back to the thread's subject matter) that doesn't tell us much of anything about what the BDP-83 will do. The 983H is generally considered the slowest layer-changing OPPO player, and it's still quite quick on this layer change. Will the BDP-83 offer layer changes on par with the 981HD or the 983H? No clue...

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If this thing plays SACD and DVA-A this will be the first dedicated BluRay player I buy. I've begun becoming concerned about the drive life on my PS3 as I've been reading where the drive burns out twice as quickly under continuious BluRay playback as opposed to game use.

I have two of the 980H Oppos, one in my theater and one in my living room hooked to a 2 channel stereo setup. I'd love to replace the one in my theater with this bad boy and move that unit into my bedroom to match it up with my shiney new Panasonic TH-50PX80U.

Please comment on my home theater and bedroom theater projects!
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The 983H is generally considered the slowest layer-changing OPPO player, and it's still quite quick on this layer change. Will the BDP-83 offer layer changes on par with the 981HD or the 983H? No clue...

Thanks Gonk but why this player (983) the slowest compare to 981. Is it chip or firmware? Maybe, this can be looked at in the 83 before the player is out, so it can be like the 981, if I am understanding you correctly.
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Thanks Gonk but why this player (983) the slowest compare to 981. Is it chip or firmware? Maybe, this can be looked at in the 83 before the player is out, so it can be like the 981, if I am understanding you correctly.

The 983H was using the Sony Precision Track 3™ Drive Mechanism which I believe was the reason for the slightly slower layer change. It offers dual-laser optical pickup head and excellent error correction.

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Have you compared Star War II layer change with players? I am planning to replace my 30 with the Oppo.

Yes. I haven't timed it though -- but ALL layer changes were much more obvious with the BD-30, than with my Oppo 981 (which is why I still keep the Oppo 981 in my rack, among other reasons -- such as pic quality and faster menu response, etc.).
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Thanks Gonk but why this player (983) the slowest compare to 981. Is it chip or firmware? Maybe, this can be looked at in the 83 before the player is out, so it can be like the 981, if I am understanding you correctly.

John's answer is a very good one - it relates to a hardware change between the 983H and its predecessors. The drive hardware in the BDP-83 is by necessity going to be a completely different deal. We know that OPPO thinks hard about stuff like this and picks those key components very carefully. And for what it's worth, the 983H's "slow down" relative to the 981HD has never actually bothered me: if it weren't for the other OPPO players I've owned, the 983H would be the undisputed champ of layer changes among the players I've owned (accepting that the sampling in question is limited to four Panasonics, two Toshibas, a Yamaha, and one or two random ones that I'm forgetting about).

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I'll take this opportunity to state again that I have never noticed a layer change on my 983, not once. I must be blinking at the right times.
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I'll take this opportunity to state again that I have never noticed a layer change on my 983, not once. I must be blinking at the right times.

I have, but it is so quick I don't know how to time it. You think "was that a layer change?" and have already missed what happens next.

Oddly enough, the disc I use to test layer change (SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE) doesn't show one on the 983. I can't explain that.

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I have, but it is so quick I don't know how to time it. You think "was that a layer change?" and have already missed what happens next.

Oddly enough, the disc I use to test layer change (SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE) doesn't show one on the 983. I can't explain that.

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It has as much to do with the disc itself as it does with the player. It's all about reflectivity, error correction and buffer size. Some discs will show it more on one player than on another, and other discs will be the opposite.
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and they even got a better controller this time..
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Can someone point me to a link that shows a list of DVD's and where the layer change is? I want to compare the times of several different players, including some oppo's. But I don't want to buy DVD's I don't already own to do it. I don't own any of the ones mentioned so far.
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Why does anything have Composite and S-Video jacks anymore?


For me, no internet connection located near the big screen. So if I'm upgrading firmware on a player, I can take a small 20" analog TV and plug it in by where the ethernet cable is and connect the player to that TV through the composite video. That way I can see OSD of the firmware's progress.
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Seems to me these anticipation threads reveal one truth, and that is that most of us suffer from at least a mild form of OCD. (myself included)

This tangent on layer change times adds perspective. Get a stopwatch out and measure, 0.1 or 0.15 seconds? And a need of a list of discs to measure said timings.

In the what is it now, 11.5 years that DVD has been around, I have owned more players than I can remember. The biggest pause with layer change might have been about 0.95 seconds.

Load times for BD discs is a real issue.

I have no doubt that the oppo BDP-83 will be stellar. And include just about all on the wish list, well piano rolls is a stretch .

My real concern is about the health of the BD format. If the price of software and hardware, but especially software, does not come down to close to DVD levels and if more titles are not released both new and catalog we may see another format death.

For those of us enjoying what the 983 does (and employing a back up for BD), the wait for the answer will not be so difficult.

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For me, no internet connection located near the big screen. So if I'm upgrading firmware on a player, I can take a small 20" analog TV and plug it in by where the ethernet cable is and connect the player to that TV through the composite video. That way I can see OSD of the firmware's progress.

also good for troubleshooting; accessing menus to effect various fixes, etc.
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My real concern is about the health of the BD format. If the price of software and hardware, but especially software, does not come down to close to DVD levels and if more titles are not released both new and catalog we may see another format death.

No, you won't.

The only issue is how successful Blu-ray will be. Even if it isn't as successful as the studios and manufacturers want it to be, it will not turn into "another format death".
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The price of software and hardware is high for many reasons, one being the studios and equipment manufacturers want to make some $$$, which has been pretty much absent in the DVD market for the manufacturers. The studios game plan is to sell you the same software you've already bought on VHS and DVD, but at a higher profit margin. It's called capitalism

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Seems to me these anticipation threads reveal one truth, and that is that most of us suffer from at least a mild form of OCD. (myself included)

OCD? Who, me? Nahhhh......



OK, yeah, probably a little bit...
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My real concern is about the health of the BD format. If the price of software and hardware, but especially software, does not come down to close to DVD levels and if more titles are not released both new and catalog we may see another format death.

It's a valid concern, especially considering the differences in the marketplace compared to when DVD arrived, but I think the overall prognosis for Blu-ray is pretty good now.

I've said numerous times over the last several years that no HD optical disc format can hope to achieve what DVD did - the circumstances are too different. You don't have the leverage of the convenience factor that DVD offered over VHS (which I often forget about now but was reminded of when talking with someone at work about why she didn't need to rewind her new DVD-R) or the durability (sure, DVD's scratch if you're not careful, but VHS tape will wear out no matter how cautious you are), plus you have the pressures of downloadable content and video on demand that didn't exist a decade ago. With the Blu-ray/HD-DVD format war over, though, I think that Blu-ray is in a position to endure long-term even if it doesn't achieve the same magnitude of success that DVD has enjoyed. And a few more really good quality Blu-ray players will certainly not hurt the cause...

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I think within five years it will be hard to even buy a SD DVD only player. I'm thinking you'll have sub $100 Blu-ray players by that time replacing most DVD players...similar to how it's difficult to buy a VHS-only unit and how it's difficult to buy a non-HDTV...let alone a non HDTV big screen. I can also see by that time where at least certain movies or new releases will be Blu-ray only. This is where the studios and manufacturers will be guiding it....much like VHS to DVD migration. As Dave Vaughn said, the studios need/want to re-sell to most everyone and will do what it takes.

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No, you won't.

The only issue is how successful Blu-ray will be. Even if it isn't as successful as the studios and manufacturers want it to be, it will not turn into "another format death".

I'm enjoying the new experience. The new audio with BD is most welcome. I come from this as an audiophile, love what sacd and dvd audio provide and see both of those choices withering on the vine. Yes, I understand, both were niche markets. Perhaps again?

The best upconversion of DVD on small screens may be all that is needed for the masses. I do see the advantage of BD Video at 133" in my home. For those with 37, 40, or 50" Displays not sure they will want to spend the funds required.

I do hope BD becomes the standard, just not sure the studios and others find that outcome all that interesting. Time will tell.

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