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That sounds ok. I believe the Denon will only let you go to +12db. In order to get the 15 db needed for the sub you will have to make up that difference in the Sony menu.

I'm not sure about the 3802, but my 3803 allows up to +15 dB.
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It only affects SD DVD, since the player has to upconvert and that isn't allowed over component. You'll be fine with Blu-Ray, since no upconversion is needed. You'll get BD in all it's glory.

Huh? From page 44 of my manual:

"Cinema Conversion Mode - Sets the video conversion method for 480p, 720p, 1080i, or 1080p* signals from the HDMI OUT jack or the COMPONENT VIDEO OUT jacks.
*HDMI only"

Therefore, it appears that you can up to 1080i over component.
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I did a search but couldn't find where someone actually measured the load time of certain movies and/or compared them to other players for the PS3.

Would someone actually measure load times on a few movies??
Additionally if you have other players like the S300 or PS3 to compare as a second step?

These are the times for the BDP-S350 from that owner's thread. I would think these could be viewed as a baseline indication of what the S550's times might be like, since the models are so similar.

Ratatouille: 0:49 (previews)
Batman Begins: 0:27 (FBI Warning)
POTC-BP: 1:03 (Previews)
POTC-WE: 0:28 (Previews)
3:10 to Yuma: 0:50 (Lionsgate pic)
F4-SS: 1:00 (FBI warning)
Cloverfield: 0:49
Alvin & Chipmunks: 0:35
Spider 3: 0:58 (Sony screen)

That said, I too would like to see some factual, accurate times for the S550 as well. Both for BD-R and SD discs.
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Huh? From page 44 of my manual:

"Cinema Conversion Mode - Sets the video conversion method for 480p, 720p, 1080i, or 1080p* signals from the HDMI OUT jack or the COMPONENT VIDEO OUT jacks.
*HDMI only"

Therefore, it appears that you can up to 1080i over component.

I tend to think this is a typo/omission by Sony on the manual. I have not heard of any player that can upconvert to an HD resolution allowing it over component. Like it or not, it's a result of the publishers fears of the HD "analog hole".

Perhaps an owner can confirm this is the case?
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Hmmm, I thought more people here would be surprised that the 550 gets stuck on a major recent release (Indy 4.)

Of course trying to contact Sony is pointless; they're programmed to just say it's the disc without realizing that the same disc not only causes every 350 and 550 to get stuck at the same point in the film, but that it plays just fine on all their older BD players…
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As someone who is considering one of the two new Sony models, can someone confirm my assesment of the primary difference in the 350 and 550?

I'm considering pairing this player with a receiver that cannot bitstream the new codecs but does support six channel analog input. I assume that this means, for my purposes, that the main difference in the players is going to be whether or not I'd be satisfied with the downsampled/"core" mix (350), or getting the less lossy codecs (DTS-MA, TrueHD) direct from the player (550)?

From all indications I've seen, it seems like the audio difference is enough to warrant wanting to be able to hear those soundtracks, so I'm leaning towards the 550.
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Good morning all,

Is there anyone else running their Sony S550 with a Denon AVR-3802. Forum member keeper has been very helpful. I'm just soliciting a few more opinions. My question revolves around LFE since I am running the sound through the analog connections. The more I read about LFE the more confused I become. I have all the speakers (7.1) set to small in the Sony and the Denon. Also, the crossover is set to 80Hz in my Denon for my speakers (bookshelf w/5.25 drivers) and the Low Pass Crossover on my Velodyne subwoofer is also set to 80Hz. I'm not an audio file, but if I can improve my listening environment I would like to. It doesn't have to be perfect.

As BIslander said, pay no mind to speaker settings in your 3802, except for boosting the LFE by +15db (if possible). If using analog connections, ALL speaker settings NEED to be done in the Sony 550. Do you have a calibration disc? If not, GET ONE!! I have a Denon 3805 with the LFE bumped by +15db, speakers in the Sony set to SMALL. After adjusting speaker distance, I calibrated my Sony 550 with the Avia calibration disc to 75db with my Denon 3805 volume at reference of 0.0 db. I run my SVS subwoofer at 4 to 5 db hotter than the other speakers. The sound via analog is SENSATIONAL!!! I was a bit sceptical on the 'fixed' crossover in the 550, but I'm VERY happy with it, to be sure. My guess is it's fixed at 80hz or 100 hz. IMO, a calibration disc of some sort is an absolute MUST to fully take advantage of all your toys!
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From all indications I've seen, it seems like the audio difference is enough to warrant wanting to be able to hear those soundtracks, so I'm leaning towards the 550.


I was looking at both of these models (as well as the PS3) but I wanted HD audio, and like you, I have analog inputs on my receiver but no HDMI, so it was a no-brainer. If I wanted HD audio, I needed the BDP-S550 (of the few that I was looking at). I have been told that the HD audio is great compared to regular DD 5.1 or DTS. Someone once told me that it is similar to the jump from Dolby Pro Logic to Dolby Digital 5.1... I can't wait to hear it!
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As someone who is considering one of the two new Sony models, can someone confirm my assesment of the primary difference in the 350 and 550?

I'm considering pairing this player with a receiver that cannot bitstream the new codecs but does support six channel analog input. I assume that this means, for my purposes, that the main difference in the players is going to be whether or not I'd be satisfied with the downsampled/"core" mix (350), or getting the less lossy codecs (DTS-MA, TrueHD) direct from the player (550)?

From all indications I've seen, it seems like the audio difference is enough to warrant wanting to be able to hear those soundtracks, so I'm leaning towards the 550.

If you need multi-channel analog outs, then you should go with the BDP-S550 or even the BDP-S300. The BDP-S350 only has stereo analog out. That player is perfect for those that have receivers that support HDMI audio.
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I have been told that the HD audio is great compared to regular DD 5.1 or DTS. Someone once told me that it is similar to the jump from Dolby Pro Logic to Dolby Digital 5.1... I can't wait to hear it!

Don't expect a big jump or you'll be disappointed.
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I tend to think this is a typo/omission by Sony on the manual. I have not heard of any player that can upconvert to an HD resolution allowing it over component. Like it or not, it's a result of the publishers fears of the HD "analog hole".

Perhaps an owner can confirm this is the case?

Haven't tried on the S550, but there have been several SD DVD players that could upconvert to 1080i via component. I had one, can't remember the brand, I liked the upconversion/scaling in my JVC rear projection TV better.
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Haven't tried on the S550, but there have been several SD DVD players that could upconvert to 1080i via component. I had one, can't remember the brand, I liked the upconversion/scaling in my JVC rear projection TV better.

You're right, there are a handful. Though, to be fair, nearly all that do require hacks and aren't a supported part of the featureset.

As far as HD players (or even recent upconverting SD players) are concerned, you're not likely to see any. I wouldn't object, though
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What PQ setting do you guys use? I think it comes with Standard as the first choice.
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What PQ setting do you guys use? I think it comes with Standard as the first choice.

You should change it to MEMORY and keep the zero settings and do the tweaks with your display, assuming you have dedicated imputs on the display. Standard applies the Sony version of standard, whatever that is.

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You're right, there are a handful. Though, to be fair, nearly all that do require hacks and aren't a supported part of the featureset.

As far as HD players (or even recent upconverting SD players) are concerned, you're not likely to see any. I wouldn't object, though

I had a Samsung that did, out of the box

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Don't expect a big jump or you'll be disappointed.

I disagree, I hear a real difference between regular DD/DTS and lossless. I could even tell the difference between the core DD and regular DD, but that's just me.

And a comment on speaker size. Don't be afraid to set the speakers to large. Check you specs on the freq response. My Def Techs specify that I set them on large, even though they have 6 1/2 inch drivers. I think they go down to 28 or something like that. I would advise switching back and forth and listen to the sound. I set them all for large and the sound field is more balanced and fuller then when set to small. I used to set the rears to small, but even though they are rated at 50 the large setting sounds better. There are lots of things to try and it may sound different to your ears than someone else. I have a very large room, with 20 foot ceilings, so what the specs say don't always work for evey set up.
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I had a Samsung that did, out of the box

Was it more than a couple of years old?

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Anyone know if there is (or will be) a Costco version of the 550?
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Thanks to all who commented on my analog audio settings, it was appreciated.
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Got the Sony S550 hooked up to my Epson Powerlite 1080 and I'm very impressed. Its a huge upgrade in picture and sound quality from my Samsung 1200.

I suggest those with projectors and a batcave try the Theater mode under AVR setttings. You have to hit OPTIONS on the remote while playing a BluRay and then scroll up to AVR settings. I swear I got better contrast, lower black levels, and even looked sharper with more depth. Doomsday looked incredible.

Also in the setup video use RGB levels 0-255, it will lower black levels also. 1080p/24 works great too. Overall I'm ecstatic with my new picture quality with the Sony 550.
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Thanks to all who commented on my analog audio settings, it was appreciated.

Yeah, same from me too... Thanks! I should be all set when the 550 shows up from Sony.
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Hi,

I now use the Sony for viewing my NTSC SD-DVD and Blu-Ray movies, and the Oppo is used soley for my PAL DVDs (the Sony will not play the PAL format).

Have you tried playing a ripped PAL DVD on a DVD-R/RW? The specs listed on Sony Canada's site mention 576i/p which suggests it could play:

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12-bit/54 MHz Video DAV (Y/C) (480i, 576i)

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Component (576i/576p/720p/1080i (60Hz))
HDMI (576i/576p/720p/1080i/1080p (60Hz))
720p/1080i/1080p DVD Upscaling
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You do need to set the distance setting for the speakers. And as stated your sub level may need to be adjusted anywhere from 10 to 15db, so 10 may be too low for your purposes. Also, you should go into the video set up under the options button and change from STANDARD to MEMORY, but leave all of the settings at zero. That way the video is being controled by your display settings and yo can tweak it there. If you are inputting multiple sources on the same input you might want to make some adjustments in the player, such as contrast, gamma, brightness, etc.

Tarheel,

"Also, you should go into the video set up under the options button and change from STANDARD to MEMORY, but leave all of the settings at zero." I can't find this setting in the menu. What am I doing wrong?

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Tarheel,

"Also, you should go into the video set up under the options button and change from STANDARD to MEMORY, but leave all of the settings at zero." I can't find this setting in the menu. What am I doing wrong?

To access this menu, you have to press the "Options" button on the remote while a movie is playing. It will be under Video Settings.
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You should change it to MEMORY and keep the zero settings and do the tweaks with your display, assuming you have dedicated imputs on the display. Standard applies the Sony version of standard, whatever that is.

I thought the Standard setting set everything to the zero position. I'll have to try the memory setting with the zero setting and see if it's any different. Thanks.

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O.K. i.m now ready to take the plunge into blu-ray, i was waiting for the Oppo BDP-83 to be released but it won't be for tomorrow.

The purpose for the new Bly-ray will be only for blu-ray playback since i have the Oppo OPPO DV-983H for DVD playback.

The question, is the BDP-S550 a satisfying, good, very good or excellent "Blu-ray" player.

Thanks

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O.K. i.m now ready to take the plunge into blu-ray, i was waiting for the Oppo BDP-83 to be released but it won't be for tomorrow.

The purpose for the new Bly-ray will be only for blu-ray playback since i have the Oppo OPPO DV-983H for DVD playback.

The question, is the BDP-S550 a satisfying, good, very good or excellent "Blu-ray" player.

Thanks

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It is a very good player. It lacked a few functions like slow speed/frame advance etc. However, it is 4.5/5

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Does the S550 offer any performance advances over the PS3?
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Only if you need analog out.

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Yeah, that is why I didn't get the PS3 a long time ago.... I was waiting for a good analog out enabled player (that didn't cost a fortune) so that I don't need to upgrade my $1,200 (3 years ago or whatever) receiver that didn't have HDMI when I bought it...

Some people at other forums have been asking for a "load time comparison" between the BDP-S550 and the PS3, but I haven't seen one yet. Not sure if there are any other real pluses/minuses for either as far as Blu-Ray playability and performance goes.
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I hope a new firmware is coming out soon, I just bought 'Baraka' and I'm extremely upset that it crashes halfway through the movie. Am I the only one here who feels that it's BS that we have to deal with playback issues on a 3rd generation player? Baraka play's just fine on my friends PS3, so I'm going to return the s550 and buy a real blu-ray player. I hope Sony is still loosing money on every PS3 is sells...

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to go with out high resolution audio until I buy a new receiver.
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How is DVD upcon on this player? Has anyone run HQV yet?

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