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Just out of curiosity, do any current BR players do component output at the same time as HDMI?

None. The only set top box I know of that does are DIRECTV boxes.

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I really like and use that feature on the DirecTV HD DVRs. I use the HDMI out for my bedroom while at the same time using the S-video out to my Master bathroom where I have a 19" DVD/LCD TV hanging on the wall. And to make things even easier their RF remote works like a charm!

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None. The only set top box I know of that does are DIRECTV boxes.

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Thanks.

Do you carry Sony ES?
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None. The only set top box I know of that does are DIRECTV boxes.

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also tivo hd.
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For what it's worth, although I am considering updating to a "higher-end" player (where the value of diminishing returns becomes more apparent), the S550 from Sony has also never given me a problem with disc loading. Same thing for playback of any disc, it has been hiccup-free. I suspect that the 5000ES is very similar to the 550, save for the extra processing it is capable of and of course its chassis.

On a side note, Kung-Fu Panda now ranks as the best animated presentation I've seen on Blu-Ray; it's an absolutely flawless transfer. Take that, Sleeping Beauty!

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I have a crazy feeling Wall*E is going to rank right up there with Kung Fu Panda.

I also have the Sony s350 and the S5000ES beats it in picture Q. I assume the 550 and 350 are te same...

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Salut Joerod.
Astonishing work. Congratulations !!
I was attracted to this nice forum just because of your 5000ES sony BDP (premiere kind of). Indeed the new star. I also had the honor to put my hands, (eyes and ears ...) on it for a few days recently linked to Pio plasmas 506 and 5090H.
I second all of your impressions. One tip however. As you wrote somewhere (lets try it just on plain stereo ...), I advise you to repeat that, but only taking its digital stream out (as a CD transport so) and feed your current DAC. Compare the result with the best transport (any price, but high end if possible) and tell me what you think. I did it already ...
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None. The only set top box I know of that does are DIRECTV boxes.

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I have the pan 55 that does that.
I just reconverged my CRT with the aid of my Optoma 8300 dlp FP.
Just turn off HDMI control in the menu.

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I have a crazy feeling Wall*E is going to rank right up there with Kung Fu Panda.

I also have the Sony s350 and the S5000ES beats it in picture Q. I assume the 550 and 350 are te same...

So you have two Sony's and a pan 35, 30?! Anymore do you have?

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So you have two Sony's and a pan 35, 30?! Anymore do you have?

The shorter list would be the BR players he hasn't had......

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Just out of curiosity, do any current BR players do component output at the same time as HDMI?

From what I understand, the Pioneer Elite 05 does output component video and allows audio through HDMI simultaneously (the non-Elite 51 does not). Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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Joe, excellent review as I just finished reading all the posts on this thread. Here are some of my observations:

1) Load times on par with PS3 are GOOD.

2) A fixed crossover is BAD for prospective analog users and would be a dealbreaker in most cases (unless you own HTIB).

3) The quick bootup option is GOOD but from what I understand, it does draw considerable power and is kind of a cheat when comparing against players that have no such option. I would always compare normal bootup against other players to level the playing field.

Joe, I posed the following to Ruined in the Pioneer 05/51 thread:

A Pioneer 05/51 playing 480i SD DVD using video Source Direct to the Edge would have no advantage against a Panasonic BD35/55 outputting 480p and letting the Edge's PREP take care of re-interlacing and then doing a proper deinterlace. I think this would be true of any player regardless of brand as it seems the Edge's PREP feature heavily levels the playing field for SD DVD picture quality. Can you confirm this theory for me?

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I will gladly check this out and compare them later today. I have some "friends" flying in to meet with with me (private plane) so once they are back in the air I will be free to compare. I think this is a good idea. As for your quick start comment I think if a player has it then why not use it? I am not going to level the playing field because if a company went thru the trouble to add it then it should count for something. That's like turning off all picture adjustments to even the playing field... If they are there and they can raise the performance level then you better believe I am going to use them.

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if a company went thru the trouble to add it then it should count for something

That makes sense, I like it.
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As for your quick start comment I think if a player has it then why not use it? I am not going to level the playing field because if a company went thru the trouble to add it then it should count for something. That's like turning off all picture adjustments to even the playing field... If they are there and they can raise the performance level then you better believe I am going to use them.

I will report back either later today...

I'm curious. How warm is the player when its "off" and the quick powerup option is enabled? I'm wondering if this is more or less equivalent to leaving the machine on 24/7. I know I wouldn't do that to my home theater equipment. Heat is the enemy.

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Joe ! I got a question !

Can the 5000ES automatically switch to 1080i60 output when it reads 1080i60 contents ? Or will it send 1080p60 out ?

(yes I have some 1080i recorded BD and I would like to let my CII do the conversion ... alternative to an HD-SDI moded player).
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It's now been confirmed that the Pio BDP-09FD has no chooseable crossover settings and that DTS-MA is only 5.1 at the analog outs.
Besides, as far as i understand, the manual does not say a word about backlightning of the remote (might sound pointless to some of you, but I personnaly find that very handy when you're watching a movie in a dark room in case of videoprojection).
Here's the link to the 09FD's manual :


http://www.service.pioneer-eur.com/p...7_BDP-LX91.pdf

Besides, the use of the HMG (Home Media Gallery) seems very limited to me since it does look like it's only devoted to disk contents, no DLNA access... Too bad... I guess I'll keep on using my PS3

I was very attracted to this BDP-09FD, but now, given also the potential issues which may as well occur in the 09FD, as well as they occured with the last Pio version 05/51... (freezes, some disk which were not read...), well I'm pretty much turning onto the 5000ES...


For JOE : I don't remember if you mentioned it or not : is the 5000ES able to output 7.1 over analog outputs, or is it as limited as the Pio on this very point ?

Thanx for your answer.

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is the 5000ES able to output 7.1 over analog outputs, or is it as limited as the Pio on this very point ?

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The manual states DTS-MA available @ 7.1 over HDMI and the analogues.
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Not a deal breaker but...

Is this player (ES3) play or will play DivX?

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Nothing about DivX in the manual...

But, as the PS3 was not DivX compliant at the beginning, there's still hope for the "ES3"
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The manual states DTS-MA available @ 7.1 over HDMI and the analogues.

yes you're right Good thing ! Even if there aint much 7.1 Bluray disks released as for now, the release of Hellboy II which is 7.1 encoded might as well be the dawn of a new audio revolution
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Thanks.

Do you carry Sony ES?

The S5000ES is on his website.
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It's now been confirmed that the Pio BDP-09FD ... that DTS-MA is only 5.1 at the analog outs.

No it has not been "confirmed", this is incorrect, and further makes no sense.

Why it is incorrect - The manual on the 09FD is worded the way it is because DTS-HD Master Audio likely will not be available out-of-the-box with the 09FD, you most likely will need a firmware update to enable it. If that firmware update is not available at 09FD launch, it will be available in January 09 most likely. Therefore the manual describes DTS-MA core-only decoding behavior, which is 5.1.

Why it makes no sense - it actually takes more work out output DTS-MA 5.1 (meaning full DTS-MA 5.1, not DTS core 5.1) than it does to output DTS-MA 7.1. In order to output 5.1 you need to decode the full 7.1 DTS-MA track and then downmix the rears into the surrounds. For 7.1 you need not do this, and hence it is less work.

The 09FD already outputs TrueHD 7.1, so it will output DTS-MA 7.1 as well. It simply may not have full DTS-MA decoding at launch, however - hence the manual needs to be conservative and describe DTS core decoding only behavior.

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I was very attracted to this BDP-09FD, but now, give also the potential issues which may as well occur in the 09FD, as well as they occrued with the last Pio version 05/51... (freezes, some disk which were not read...), well I'm pretty much turning onto the 5000ES...

The 09FD uses the same SoC for BD-Java and core operations that the 51/05 use, therefore as issues get fixed for the 05/51 they will similarly get fixed for the 09 since they will use the same firmware for core operations. The latest 51/05 1.17 firmware is very stable (no freeze issues have been found for any title on normal playback to date), and out of the box the 09FD will use this at the minimum, most likely it will use an even faster & more stable later revision. Note that it is said that the 5000ES uses the same SoC as the 350/550 for BD-Java & core operations, which currrently has a freeze issue about halfway through the title "Baraka." (Note that the 51/05 playback this movie without issue) So before you get yourself all revved up about 5000ES, it is good to know what you are getting into in terms of both manufacturers.

IMO, the 5000ES despite its nice build and fast operation is a ripoff - $2000 for a player without Realta, Qdeo, or the like is insane. The build of the 5000ES also pales compared to the 09. The Pio 09 or Denon 3800 would both be a better choice than the 5000, IMO.
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What is the difference in build from the Sony to the Pioneer that makes the Pioneer so much better I ask you.I could care less about upscaling dvd's since I bought a hi def player to watch hi def,not low def and really can't see no difference with the Realta chip players.
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No it has not been "confirmed", this is incorrect, and further makes no sense.

Why it is incorrect - The manual on the 09FD is worded the way it is because DTS-HD Master Audio likely will not be available out-of-the-box with the 09FD, you most likely will need a firmware update to enable it. If that firmware update is not available at 09FD launch, it will be available in January 09 most likely. Therefore the manual describes DTS-MA core-only decoding behavior, which is 5.1.

Why it makes no sense - it actually takes more work out output DTS-MA 5.1 than it does to output DTS-MA 7.1. In order to output 5.1 you need to decode the full 7.1 DTS-MA track and then downmix the rears into the surrounds. For 7.1 you need not do this, and hence it is less work.

The 09FD already outputs TrueHD 7.1, so it will output DTS-MA 7.1 as well. It simply may not have full DTS-MA decoding at launch, however - hence the manual needs to be conservative and describe DTS core decoding only behavior.



The 09FD uses the same SoC for BD-Java and core operations that the 51/05 use, therefore as issues get fixed for the 05/51 they will similarly get fixed for the 09 since they will use the same firmware for core operations. The latest 51/05 1.17 firmware is very stable (no freeze issues have been found for any title on normal playback to date), and out of the box the 09FD will use this at the minimum, most likely it will use an even faster & more stable later revision. Note that it is said that the 5000ES uses the same SoC as the 350/550 for BD-Java & core operations, which currrently has a freeze issue about halfway through the title "Baraka." (Note that the 51/05 playback this movie without issue) So before you get yourself all revved up about 5000ES, it is good to know what you are getting into in terms of both manufacturers.

IMO, the 5000ES despite its nice build and fast operation is a ripoff - $2000 for a player without Realta, Qdeo, or the like is insane. The build of the 5000ES also pales compared to the 09. The Pio 09 or Denon 3800 would both be a better choice than the 5000, IMO.

I'll take someone's opinion who owns both the 3800 and the 5000. (and BTW he says the upconversion in the 5000 is as good as the 3800)

5 year warranty > 2 year warranty for Pio and 1 year warranty for Denon

Mean while 09 and 05 owners can continue to wait for DTS HDMA decoding which for some reason Pio still can't get done.

I do however agree that $2000 is too much, so I will get it for around $1500.

Thanks though.
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What is the difference in build from the Sony to the Pioneer that makes the Pioneer so much better I ask you.I could care less about upscaling dvd's since I bought a hi def player to watch hi def,not low def and really can't see no difference with the Realta chip players.

The Pio has a nicer analog section to be sure, and Ruined has a severe slant toward Pio products.

As to build quality, IMO a 5 year warranty speaks much more to a great build quality that a 2 year warranty (or at least the manufacturer's confidence in the product anyway). *shrug*
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IMO, the 5000ES despite its nice build and fast operation is a ripoff - $2000 for a player without Realta, Qdeo, or the like is insane. The build of the 5000ES also pales compared to the 09. The Pio 09 or Denon 3800 would both be a better choice than the 5000, IMO.


It uses it own proprietary video processing ... Joe found it very close to what the 3800's Realta can perform on both SD and HD playback.
I know a little about Joe's experience on video processing (we got both the same scalers at a time ... and we had plenty) I think we can trust his judment.

I do not think the 5000ES is a cheap built player, as a matter of fact it seems to me being the 7700 of the BD players ! People who owned a 7700 know what I am talking about.
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It uses it own proprietary video processing ... Joe found it very close to what the 3800's Realta can perform on both SD and HD playback.
I know a little about Joe's experience on video processing (we got both the same scalers at a time ... and we had plenty) I think we can trust his judment.

I do not think the 5000ES is a cheap built player, as a matter of fact it seems to me being the 7700 of the BD players ! People who owned a 7700 know what I am talking about.

Or the 9000ES!!
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The Pio has a nicer analog section to be sure, and Ruined has a severe slant toward Pio products.

In what way is the analog section better or "nicer"??
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