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Walkamo has just made contact, with new info from Japan, and we are progressing the RS232 debug data output issue. As soon as we have a solution I will post.

Are other people also finding it difficult to get rs232 data output?
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I understand that the RS232 is supposed to have 2 way communication -- does anyone know what type of info the unit is sending back to the controller?

I'm going to be setting up my AMX controller soon, and would like to understand if it makes sense to do 2 way or the standard one way command push from the remote only

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So are you recommending us to have one too?
I'm in search of good cd player. Can i know where did you purchase one? Thanks!

Hi guys,

In my setup, the 09FD is a great Blu-ray player and a decent CD one (best of all BDP i have had/tried).
But my Bryston CD player (BCD-1) is FAR better and delivers real music
If you can't afford such a CD player (a bit expensive), the Pioneer will do fine anyway.

My setup is Bryston amps and CD player + Revel Ultima Studio 1 and Lexicon MC12 used on analog bypass...
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Hi guys,

In my setup, the 09FD is a great Blu-ray player and a decent CD one (best of all BDP i have had/tried).
But my Bryston CD player (BCD-1) is FAR better and delivers real music
If you can't afford such a CD player (a bit expensive), the Pioneer will do fine anyway.

My setup is Bryston amps and CD player + Revel Ultima Studio 1 and Lexicon MC12 used on analog bypass...

caledonia1, what are your price considerations for a player? All in one, or separates? Once we have an idea of your means, we can offer some suggestions. The Bryston being one of them, but there are others. I, too, have an astoundingly better CD system than the BDP-09, but it is substantially far more money than the BDP-09 is, is a separate disc drive and DAC, etc. so what would one expect?

However, what is one man's cup of tea is another man's poison so giving us some help in what you are looking for helps.

In the meantime, the BDP-09 is a decent CD player for now, I imagine, pending additional info and research.
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Hi guys,

In my setup, the 09FD is a great Blu-ray player and a decent CD one (best of all BDP i have had/tried).
But my Bryston CD player (BCD-1) is FAR better and delivers real music
If you can't afford such a CD player (a bit expensive), the Pioneer will do fine anyway.

My setup is Bryston amps and CD player + Revel Ultima Studio 1 and Lexicon MC12 used on analog bypass...


If you are using the analog outs on your '09, then your are correct as the Pioneer is not a leading edge blu-ray for CD playback. Both the '09 and the Sony BDP-S5000ES were tested using their respective D/A converters and the Sony is the much better of the two. In fact, the sony borders on audiophile quality for CD playback. However, the Pioneer has an ever so slightly better blu-ray picture.
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I go for separates as far as i can... so the Pioneer is for movies (i use multichannel analog out of the 09 with the powerfull MC12 96/24 upsampling process and then add all treatments, EQ aso) and the Bryston for CDs the analog way.
The Bryston CD has internal DACs and full analogic audiophile treatment that lead it to win "goldenearaward" price in last year Absolute sound magazine (and lots of very welcome magazine tests). Prices are not everything but if you consider its "decent" value (a bit more than a 09) in that very expensive business of "audiophile equipments", then it deserves a look (or an ear )... as it certainly delivers for the money !
I don't say it's the best or that others don't need a try, but just that the Q/P is oustanding here...

You might also try the 5000ES if you want to go for a single player at home, but compromise is a choice.
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If you are using the analog outs on your '09, then your are correct as the Pioneer is not a leading edge blu-ray for CD playback. Both the '09 and the Sony BDP-S5000ES were tested using their respective D/A converters and the Sony is the much better of the two. In fact, the sony borders on audiophile quality for CD playback. However, the Pioneer has an ever so slightly better blu-ray picture.

I am almost ashamed that I have not even tried out a CD in my 09, I am so used to using iLink with my 59AVi connected to the 59TXi for music that I haven't bothered.....

Maybe this weekend I'll get in the right frame of mind and do a comparison between all of my CD transports and outputs.

Pioneer CLD-D704 analog/digital coax
Pioneer PD-F17 analog/digital coax
Pioneer DV-59AVi iLink/analog
Pioneer BDP-09FD analog/optical
APEX AD-600A analog/digital coax

I think I can handle listening to Lou Reed "Intro/Sweet Jane" 10 times......

I am interested in seeing how the 09FD compares to the 59AVi, which has pretty decent Burr Brown DACs in it.

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The best drive i had on my system was a DVD player (TagMcLaren DVD32R)
The Bryston is above the same performance, but i still prefer the Tag as a drive, it was just amazing.
Hopefully, used on analog, the Bryston goes even further...
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Picked up my BDP-09 today and will be setting it on testing mode on my 141FD through SC-07 and RS20 through SC-09 using analog. Will report if it could slap my PD-D9 for audio cds.
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Are other people also finding it difficult to get rs232 data output?
There is no problem being able to control the player, so inputting commands work fine. However if you want to use and request status information from the player there is a lot of debug info return via the RS232 port which gets in the way of decoding the status info. By a lot I mean several Kbytes of info.
As you can see from the attached template I am gathering a lot of information from the player.
I do not have to display Title/Chapter times etc on screen I can see it direct on my touch panel.

 

pioneer layout on mvp8400.pdf 112.0361328125k . file
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Woo Hoo my 09 just got here!!!!

Time to go hook it up to my rig. I will have the drool towel next to me.
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Woo Hoo my 09 just got here!!!!

Time to go hook it up to my rig. I will have the drool towel next to me.

Add my congrats!
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Woo Hoo my 09 just got here!!!!

Time to go hook it up to my rig. I will have the drool towel next to me.

Congrats Ozzie!!!!!

Take your time and read the setup, it's pretty easy really. You've probably been reading it since you ordered it like I did.

The BDP-09FD will know what analogs you've connected, found that to be pretty cool.

What receiver are you hooking it up to?

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Are other people also finding it difficult to get rs232 data output?

I meant to post a ??? like this,if I were on the Pioneer SC-05 reciever thread.As I also own the sc-05 recvr and never could get the sc-05's rs232 data to pass to MY pc's.
I got confused,from swapping back and forth from this 09 blu ray to the 05 recvr thread.
I never tried my 09 232 data to a pc.
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O.K. Spent 5 hours locked up in my HT playing with my new 09.
Had to go from version 2.26 to 2.46, that went without a hitch.
I do have a couple of questions. When I select multi-channel
audio for the analog outs it appears to disable the digital coax output.

Is there a way to switch between the coax digital and analog output
without having to go thru the menu?

also

When balancing the audio thru the 09's analog channels and I select
the RS speaker & both the RS & RSR play the white noise, yet when I select
RSR I get no white noise at all, the same is true for the left side and surround.
Is there a setting I dont have right somewhere?

also

Under video adjustments I see the Hue but no tint, is Chroma Level equivilant to tint adjustment
in the 09?
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Congrats Ozzie!!!!!

Take your time and read the setup, it's pretty easy really. You've probably been reading it since you ordered it like I did.

The BDP-09FD will know what analogs you've connected, found that to be pretty cool.

What receiver are you hooking it up to?

Fred

Lexicon MC-8, not that it matters now since I will be testing the analog outs for a bit now.
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I go for separates as far as i can... so the Pioneer is for movies (i use multichannel analog out of the 09 with the powerfull MC12 96/24 upsampling process and then add all treatments, EQ aso) and the Bryston for CDs the analog way.
The Bryston CD has internal DACs and full analogic audiophile treatment that lead it to win "goldenearaward" price in last year Absolute sound magazine (and lots of very welcome magazine tests). Prices are not everything but if you consider its "decent" value (a bit more than a 09) in that very expensive business of "audiophile equipments", then it deserves a look (or an ear )... as it certainly delivers for the money !
I don't say it's the best or that others don't need a try, but just that the Q/P is oustanding here...

You might also try the 5000ES if you want to go for a single player at home, but compromise is a choice.

We have four separate players: CD, SACD, DVD, and a stopgap Blu-ray player. Other than needing a sh*tload of cables in the rack, and needing something like the Zektors to switch among the inputs (because multichannel preamps don't have enough analog inputs), this is definitely the way to go--find a player that is optimal for a format, and never get rid of it
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If you are using the analog outs on your '09, then your are correct as the Pioneer is not a leading edge blu-ray for CD playback. Both the '09 and the Sony BDP-S5000ES were tested using their respective D/A converters and the Sony is the much better of the two. In fact, the sony borders on audiophile quality for CD playback. However, the Pioneer has an ever so slightly better blu-ray picture.

This seems like an odd claim. What is it about the analog stage on the 09FD leads you to that conclusion?
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How noisy is the 09FD when it's playing Blu-ray disks? I see complaints showing up on the Oppo 83 thread about how noisy the player is, and a noisy player would drive me nuts.
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How noisy is the 09FD when it's playing Blu-ray disks? I see complaints showing up on the Oppo 83 thread about how noisy the player is, and a noisy player would drive me nuts.

Very quiet.
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How noisy is the 09FD when it's playing Blu-ray disks? I see complaints showing up on the Oppo 83 thread about how noisy the player is, and a noisy player would drive me nuts.

I have a 51, just got an Oppo 83 and am seriously considering the 09.

I don't find the 83 as being noisy. In following the 83 thread, there seems to be certain disc that are causing this problem. Some say all players would also be noisy, other say that its the loader not being able to handle the imbalance which I'm pretty sure was speculation on their part.

I'm over here on this 09 thread because I'm finding that I like the look of my 51 better than the 83 in terms of gradation of tones but would like the better analog audio section and tweakability of the analog audio and picture settings of the 09. What's bothering me big time and will probably keep me from buying an 09 is that its also slow to load and play disc. I'm done with slow. That's so HD-DVD.

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Picked up my BDP-09 today and will be setting it on testing mode on my 141FD through SC-07 and RS20 through SC-09 using analog. Will report if it could slap my PD-D9 for audio cds.

Congrats Yog
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Woo Hoo my 09 just got here!!!!

Time to go hook it up to my rig. I will have the drool towel next to me.

Congrats OzzieP
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I have a 51, just got an Oppo 83 and am seriously considering the 09.

I don't find the 83 as being noisy. In following the 83 thread, there seems to be certain disc that are causing this problem. Some say all players would also be noisy, other say that its the loader not being able to handle the imbalance which I'm pretty sure was speculation on their part.

I'm over here on this 09 thread because I'm finding that I like the look of my 51 better than the 83 in terms of gradation of tones but would like the better analog audio section and tweakability of the analog audio and picture settings of the 09. What's bothering me big time and will probably keep me from buying an 09 is that its also slow to load and play disc. I'm done with slow. That's so HD-DVD.

Jim, I own the 09 and just bought the 83. It was delivered today. This is the first Oppo I've ever owned. I don't have much 83 time under my belt yet. But I will say this, it's pretty damn fast. However, it doesn't have the build quality of the 09. Which I appreciate.

Now I'm strictly bitstreaming from the 83. I have a separate, high end SACD player. So all I really need from the Oppo is a transport. The beefy analog section of the 09 for me, is going unused.

FWIW, the 83 does play the new T2 Skynet Edition BD.

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This week I noticed that, on a couple of occasions, the 09 winked out for a split second, as if it lost the signal from the DVD it was playing. What I got was a black screen. Has anyone else had something similar happen? If this shows up again then it's troubleshooting time; for now I'll let it go but keep an eye on it.

I don't think it was the Edge VP, since a blue screen didn't come up (which would mean the Edge lost the signal). Unfortunately, I don't remember if the sound winked out too; that would put this squarely on the 09, as I use 2-channel analog.
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In the 09's analog speaker setup, is there any problem setting the front main speakers to 10 feet and the subwoofer to 20ft? I know this sounds odd, but with my setup the subwoofer/equalizer/acoustics combined latency requires that difference.

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Very quiet.

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How noisy is the 09FD when it's playing Blu-ray disks? I see complaints showing up on the Oppo 83 thread about how noisy the player is, and a noisy player would drive me nuts.

I'll add that the tray mechanism on the 09 is quieter than the 83. The 09's tray opens and closes smoothly.
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It has been 18 days since the release of T2. It still doesn't play on my 09

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Jim, I own the 09 and just bought the 83. It was delivered today. This is the first Oppo I've ever owned. I don't have much 83 time under my belt yet. But I will say this, it's pretty damn fast. However, it doesn't have the build quality of the 09. Which I appreciate.

Now I'm strictly bitstreaming from the 83. I have a separate, high end SACD player. So all I really need from the Oppo is a transport. The beefy analog section of the 09 for me, is going unused.

Are you planning to sell your 09?
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