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If your firmware is up to date, it's most likely your disc drive going out. They'll replace it and it will be back to normal after the repair. I'm not sure how much it will cost though. My repair was done under warranty.

I wish it was under warranty. I bought mine the week it came out. The firmware was up to date. That being said I did not have any problems until 2.71

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Old Time Audio, Do you mind if I ask where you took it for repair? I also live in Denver metro area and it would be good to know if (when) I need to have this issue serviced, where a good, local service center is. Thanks
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Old Time Audio, Do you mind if I ask where you took it for repair? I also live in Denver metro area and it would be good to know if (when) I need to have this issue serviced, where a good, local service center is. Thanks

I bought it at Listen Up and took it there for repair. Will leave further comments about Listen Up to myself.

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Old Time Audio, Do you mind if I ask where you took it for repair? I also live in Denver metro area and it would be good to know if (when) I need to have this issue serviced, where a good, local service center is. Thanks

I would just send it to Pioneer for repair. If it is not under warranty, they will bill you.
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I would just send it to Pioneer for repair. If it is not under warranty, they will bill you.

I wanted to avoid the cost of shipping, trying to repair it on a budget.

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O.T.A. I understand - I've dealt with them myself in the past. I hope they get it properly fixed for you. Thanks for the info.
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I've gotten 'won't play' error messages on Black Death (2 different disks; both brand new)...anyone else have a problem with that disk, or is my drive starting to crap out.....

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I've gotten 'won't play' error messages on Black Death (2 different disks; both brand new)...anyone else have a problem with that disk, or is my drive starting to crap out.....

...anyone...??

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My player is out of warranty and I started getting the "Can't play, unknown disc" message occassionally a couple of months ago. I would reload the disc and it would work. Now I can't play any BDs and will have to send it in for service. I wish it was not a ship to Pioneer situation considering the size and weight. DVDs work fine btw...

Has anybody had a local dealer repair it onsite?

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I've gotten 'won't play' error messages on Black Death (2 different disks; both brand new)...anyone else have a problem with that disk, or is my drive starting to crap out.....

No one has rented/bought Black Death...???

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No one has rented/bought Black Death...???

I can tell you from experience it's the beginning of the drive dying on you. At first it was just "Justified", now it's every BD I try to play.....
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My player is out of warranty and I started getting the "Can't play, unknown disc" message occassionally a couple of months ago. I would reload the disc and it would work. Now I can't play any BDs and will have to send it in for service. I wish it was not a ship to Pioneer situation considering the size and weight. DVDs work fine btw...

Has anybody had a local dealer repair it onsite?

Thanks!

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I'm not that technical, so I'll ask this: if DVDs are no problem, then could it be some circuit board attached to the drive as opposed to the physical drive mechanism itself? Something that now doesn't interpret/recognize BD coding?
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I can tell you from experience it's the beginning of the drive dying on you. At first it was just "Justified", now it's every BD I try to play.....

Looks like you're right....3rd title didn't play tonite (played on 3rd try; 1st 2 times gave error messages). Seems to be something with initializing play; once BDs start playing there's no problem with playing, navigation or any other functions.

You can tell when it's not going to recognize a disk: there's an audible disk-search sound that repeats every few seconds, then it gives up after about a dozen tries and gives the error message.

What a pisser.....

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(1) Has any BDP-09FD ever needed factory service for something other than "UNKNOWNDISC" / "CAN'T PLAY" problems with a few (possibly progressing to many/all) BDs?

(2) When inserting/removing discs, how would you describe the amount of VERTICAL tray wobble/wiggle?

I ask (1) because the only unresolved problems throughout this forum seem to be "UNKNOWNDISC" / "CAN'T PLAY" problems with a few (possibly progressing to many/all) BDs.

I ask (2) wondering if PDB-09FDs with VERTICAL tray wobble are more likely to develop "UNKNOWNDISC" / "CAN'T PLAY" problems.
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I am thinking of buying a used 09. Not sure how many hours on it.
Is the 09 reliable and worth buying used?
Good idea or bad?
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I am thinking of buying a used 09. Not sure how many hours on it.
Is the 09 reliable and worth buying used?
Good idea or bad?

For hi quality analog output and a $300-$400 price, consider it. Make sure you have a warranty. If you'll use HDMI, avoid it as others will do as well or better and be faster and more reliable. Know there have been a lot of unplayable discs and drive failures.

Like my Denon 3800, priced the same, I like it but as it is slow and dated like the 09, i wouldn't recommend buying it.

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hey everyone,

couple quick questions;

does anyone know where to find one of these still brand new in box?

and if I were able to do that, would it be worth it? or would I be better to go with something like the cambridge audio 751 or the oppo 95?

thanks for your thoughts and opinions and comments.
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For hi quality analog output and a $300-$400 price, consider it. Make sure you have a warranty. If you'll use HDMI, avoid it as others will do as well or better and be faster and more reliable. Know there have been a lot of unplayable discs and drive failures.

Like my Denon 3800, priced the same, I like it but as it is slow and dated like the 09, i wouldn't recommend buying it.

Thanks for the advice, I have noticed on here mention of drive failures.
I guess only new and with a warranty then.
I am looking for a superior DVD upscaler deck. Any suggestions. I am covered with Blu-ray, just would like a unit that does DVD up converting that looks better than there toy machines out now.
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For hi quality analog output and a $300-$400 price, consider it. Make sure you have a warranty. If you'll use HDMI, avoid it as others will do as well or better and be faster and more reliable. Know there have been a lot of unplayable discs and drive failures.

Like my Denon 3800, priced the same, I like it but as it is slow and dated like the 09, i wouldn't recommend buying it.

You interested in selling your Denon 3800ci?
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You interested in selling your Denon 3800ci?

Nah.. It works and likely the drive will fail at some point like the other players of this era - then you're stuck. Are you looking to use analog outputs?

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Nah.. It works and likely the drive will fail at some point like the other players of this era - then you're stuck. Are you looking to use analog outputs?
No not analog, I will be using HDMI. Whats good for up-converting? I have the Oppo 93 but I am not all that happy with its upscaling. Its a bit grainy.
Looking for a high end DVD player that is a couple of years old so I can afford it.
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No not analog, I will be using HDMI. Whats good for up-converting? I have the Oppo 93 but I am not all that happy with its upscaling. Its a bit grainy.
Looking for a high end DVD player that is a couple of years old so I can afford it.
Upscaling in the 09 and 3800 is very, very good. But you pay in terms of questionable reliability and slow response and playback.

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Upscaling in the 09 and 3800 is very, very good. But you pay in terms of questionable reliability and slow response and playback.
Ah..Ok. Thanks for your insight. I will look for new units of the 09 and 3800 but that may be easier said than done. All I see now is used ones and I imagine I could inherit someones else's problems.
What about the 05?
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Ah..Ok. Thanks for your insight. I will look for new units of the 09 and 3800 but that may be easier said than done. All I see now is used ones and I imagine I could inherit someones else's problems.
What about the 05?

I have an 05 and just sold an unused 51. I also had an 09. The only thing the 09 did better than the 05 or 51 was DVD upscaling and only by a very small margin; not worth the price difference IMO. You might look for a used Oppo 83.
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No not analog, I will be using HDMI. Whats good for up-converting? I have the Oppo 93 but I am not all that happy with its upscaling. Its a bit grainy.
Looking for a high end DVD player that is a couple of years old so I can afford it.

Just a little fyi, thebland doesn't and never has owned an 09FD.
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No not analog, I will be using HDMI. Whats good for up-converting? I have the Oppo 93 but I am not all that happy with its upscaling. Its a bit grainy.
Looking for a high end DVD player that is a couple of years old so I can afford it.

dreaux,

There is a possibility that the grain is supposed to be there. Also, the 93 in its current state is second to none in my opinion. However, you or someone else may have a preference for something else. Also, why are you looking for dated technology; especially DVD playback. IMO you will be paying for diminishing returns if any difference actually exists.


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There is a possibility that the grain is supposed to be there. Also, the 93 in its current state is second to none in my opinion. However, you or someone else may have a preference for something else. Also, why are you looking for dated technology; especially DVD playback. IMO you will be paying for diminishing returns if any difference actually exists.


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I was under the impression that the older High end DVD/Blu-ray players (Denon 3800ci, Pioneer 09, Denon 5910ci) did a better job on upconverting SD DVD's, and looked better than the mid-range Blu-ray/DVD players of today in that upscaling process.
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I was under the impression that the older High end DVD/Blu-ray players (Denon 3800ci, Pioneer 09, Denon 5910ci) did a better job on upconverting SD DVD's, and looked better than the mid-range Blu-ray/DVD players of today in that upscaling process.

I briefly owned the Denon 3800, which I believe to have the same video processor as the 5910CI and I've heard very positive things about the Pioneer's DVD playback. During my brief ownership of the Denon I preferred my Oppo BDP-83 for DVD playback. There were other owners with both transports on either side of this fence. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer and your eyes will dictate your preference as you go through this process. The transports you mentioned are probably some of the better performers when it comes to DVD playback. However, in 2011 I personally would not purchase any of them based solely on their DVD performance unless they were in the sub $400 price range at which point you are probably looking at used and all the uncertainty that accompanies such a purchase.


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I was under the impression that the older High end DVD/Blu-ray players (Denon 3800ci, Pioneer 09, Denon 5910ci) did a better job on upconverting SD DVD's, and looked better than the mid-range Blu-ray/DVD players of today in that upscaling process.

They are good. But upscaling has been pretty well mastered in today's better players. If it is that important, buy a Lumagen Radiance - I've owned one and it smokes all players. But at $5K, it had better. Look at the Oppo 95 or 93, get a professional Cali ration and set ip and you'll never look back. The problem with the older players is unplayable discs, drive failures and very, very slow. Buy at your own risk. It may last a month or a year or two. They're just too dated to recommend unless you pay around $300.

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Thank you guys, I think you have cleared up some misconceptions I may have had.
If I still want to buy any older player in the high-end, it will have to be in the price range that you mention....that is if I want to gamble.
One older player that can be bought quite cheaply is the Toshiba HD XA2 that has a great rep for up converting SD DVD's.
But after reading your posts I think I am chasing after something that may not be there.
Thanks for your insights.
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