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its available now and does not work I know that june 10th is the official release date

Maybe it will work after June 10th???

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Actually, there's been a few recent Fox titles that my BDP-09FD does not work with... I don't remember what they were as I gave up using it and now use my Oppo BDP-95...

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No problem, I'm using a Simaudio Supernova CD player right now for CD duty.

The downside of that is that it's a fairly expensive single-function box. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the 09FD and the Oppo aren't good - they definitely are. In fact, for the money and with all the other formats they handle, they are probably the better overall deal.. However, for strictly CD use (IMHO and in my system), the Simaudio unit still clearly sounds better.

I did a brief, similar comparison between my 09 and McIntosh MCD301 SACD player a while back. I preferred the 301 overall, it captured more detail and was livelier, but on some of the material it was pretty close. I believe in dedicated functions when possible.


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I never used my CD player function of the BDP-09FD that much to begin with. However about a year after Pioneer replaced the drive in my player I did attempt a CD (My AV-59AVi was busy with a half watched DVD in it) and I got the cannot read disc error like I had before on my Blu-rays. Funny it never did that with the sick drive which only had BD problems. I prefer using the AV-59AVi to transport the CD audio to my VSX-59TXi via iLink anyway.

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I messaged Pioneer Japan at hideaki_tsuchida@post.pioneer.co.jp I think he is one of the presidents cant remember. He or someone actually responded from his email


Basically asking if they can upgrade our current players to play 4K, 3D SACD etc... like Sony did with PlayStation. I said I would pay for the upgrade as long as its reasonable and I'm sure many more 09FD lovers would do the same
I am trying not to buy an OPPO etc.. it was the best bluray player even now not many can rival it looks like something is in the works or maybe not time will tell.


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I messaged Pioneer Japan at hideaki_tsuchida@post.pioneer.co.jp I think he is one of the presidents cant remember. He or someone actually responded from his email


Basically asking if they can upgrade our current players to play 4K, 3D SACD etc... like Sony did with PlayStation. I said I would pay for the upgrade as long as its reasonable and I'm sure many more 09FD lovers would do the same
I am trying not to buy an OPPO etc.. it was the best bluray player even now not many can rival it looks like something is in the works or maybe not time will tell.


Dear Mr. Moniz


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Technology moves on.
I would prefer to save $$$$$ then spend another $1500 on a blu-ray player

Until then mine works perfectly so until a player is the player to buy I will wait some more. OPPO will always be there and pioneer has the tech to make the best player again.

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I messaged Pioneer Japan at hideaki_tsuchida@post.pioneer.co.jp I think he is one of the presidents cant remember. He or someone actually responded from his email


Basically asking if they can upgrade our current players to play 4K, 3D SACD etc... like Sony did with PlayStation. I said I would pay for the upgrade as long as its reasonable and I'm sure many more 09FD lovers would do the same
I am trying not to buy an OPPO etc.. it was the best bluray player even now not many can rival it looks like something is in the works or maybe not time will tell.
This has been posted again and again... You cannot upgrade a Blu-Ray player like the Pioneer BDP-09FD to 4K, SACD or 3D. The only reason why the Sony PlayStation 3 was able to do that is because the PS3 is basically a computer based on Motorola/IBM multi-core processor.. All Sony had to do was reprogram the processor with software to achieve those capabilities. Even with its processor, the PS3 cannot do everything because of some hardware limitations. The 3D capability is limited. Because Sony dropped some components, the PS3 lost SACD capability. The PS3 does not have the hardware for 4K playback.

The Pioneer is a hardware based design and the hardware would have to be completely replaced, i.e. you have to build a new player.

It's like saying you bought a Porsche Boxster and you want Porsche to upgrade it to a 911 Turbo... You gotta get the new car...

If it's not a BIG screen, it's not a theater...

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This has been posted again and again... You cannot upgrade a Blu-Ray player like the Pioneer BDP-09FD to 4K, SACD or 3D. The only reason why the Sony PlayStation 3 was able to do that is because the PS3 is basically a computer based on Motorola/IBM multi-core processor.. All Sony had to do was reprogram the processor with software to achieve those capabilities. Even with its processor, the PS3 cannot do everything because of some hardware limitations. The 3D capability is limited. Because Sony dropped some components, the PS3 lost SACD capability. The PS3 does not have the hardware for 4K playback.

The Pioneer is a hardware based design and the hardware would have to be completely replaced, i.e. you have to build a new player.

It's like saying you bought a Porsche Boxster and you want Porsche to upgrade it to a 911 Turbo... You gotta get the new car...
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My 09FD ability to play BDs just stopped functioning....again. I've already sent the unit to Pioneer before and it ain't happening again. Sucks because I loved the player.
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The Pioneer BDP-09FD, BDP-05FD and BDP-51 all suffer from drive failures. Pioneer used optical drives that were designed for use in PCs. The big headache is that the drive is very expensive, now almost impossible to find and finally, has to be replaced by a Pioneer service center as the drive has to be "flashed" for every single player for it to work...

You'd be best buying a newer player. You get a faster load time, streaming capability, likely better audio and video if you buy an Oppo for half the price of the Pioneer.

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My 09FD ability to play BDs just stopped functioning....again. I've already sent the unit to Pioneer before and it ain't happening again. Sucks because I loved the player.
Thank God mine has not failed yet, I love this player as well, I have never had issues yet but I know it will come eventually.

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Thank God one has not failed yet, I live this player as well, I have never had issues yet but I know it will come eventually.
Mine, too, is still functioning, now a bit over 5 years after purchase. I'd like to have it a while longer. But I do keep up with what's available, just in case.
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Mine, too, is still functioning, now a bit over 5 years after purchase. I'd like to have it a while longer. But I do keep up with what's available, just in case.
If mine fails then I will look at the oppo or something better

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My 09 also has worked great from day one with no laser/assembly replacement. Nice to know there are others out there that never failed.
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My 09 also has worked great from day one with no laser/assembly replacement. Nice to know there are others out there that never failed.
Mine too.
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Thank God mine has not failed yet, I love this player as well, I have never had issues yet but I know it will come eventually.
That's what's so annoying, I wouldn't mind sending it to Pioneer to repair, but I know it will only be a temporary fix. I'm just using my 23FD for now. I don't want to buy another high end player with 4K around the corner.
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If mine fails then I will look at the oppo or something better
My considerations are Cambridge Audio, Marantz, and (gulp) McIntosh.


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Is it worth me getting rid of my 09 for the oppo 105? It still works great and looks brand new (low hours). I'm scared of the drive failing, even though I've never had a problem with it. Is the oppo really leagues better than the 09?
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Is it worth me getting rid of my 09 for the oppo 105? It still works great and looks brand new (low hours). I'm scared of the drive failing, even though I've never had a problem with it. Is the oppo really leagues better than the 09?

How long have you had your 09? You've been fortunate up to this point and your drive may never fail. I don't know if it is leagues better than the 09, but it does do considerably more. On the analog it will sound different, but I don't know if this equates to better. Only your ears can decide this. However, if I was going from an 09 the Oppo BDP-105 would be on my short list.

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How long have you had your 09? You've been fortunate up to this point and your drive may never fail. I don't know if it is leagues better than the 09, but it does do considerably more. On the analog it will sound different, but I don't know if this equates to better. Only your ears can decide this. However, if I was going from an 09 the Oppo BDP-105 would be on my short list.
Well that's the thing. It's been perfect from the little use it's had. So should I sell it and put the money towards the oppo? It really does look brand new and I have everything that it came with. $1200 out of pocket is a lot of money to just spend on a player. Unfortunately I stream more (Apple TV), but when I wanna watch something special via bluray.......it's nice to be blown away from both sound and picture
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In 2012 I swapped out my RP-CRT HDTV for a Panasonic Smart HDTV. It does the streaming options that a newer BD player would.
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Is it worth me getting rid of my 09 for the oppo 105? It still works great and looks brand new (low hours). I'm scared of the drive failing, even though I've never had a problem with it. Is the oppo really leagues better than the 09?
I've seen a couple of reviews/comments that speak of the Oppo's detailed sound, but that it is a bit thin on the bottom end. I haven't heard one myself, but I have seen that comment more than once. It depends upon what you like in sound, I'd say. Also, I'm sure the Oppo loads faster, if that's important; it isn't to me.


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I've seen a couple of reviews/comments that speak of the Oppo's detailed sound, but that it is a bit thin on the bottom end. I haven't heard one myself, but I have seen that comment more than once. It depends upon what you like in sound, I'd say. Also, I'm sure the Oppo loads faster, if that's important; it isn't to me.
not really.......but yeah it is sloooow at loading (lolz). pic and sound quality is what I want and it sounds/looks amazing imo. if I wanted faster load times, then I could use either of the following.....ps3, ps4 or xbox 1.
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guys have a little bit of hypothetical here, and it maybe a stretch but here it goes...

as of today, you find a brand new 09fd new in the box it is sitting next to the new oppo's 103/103d or 105/105d which do you buy?

would you take a chance on a new old stock 09fd?
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guys have a little bit of hypothetical here, and it maybe a stretch but here it goes...

as of today, you find a brand new 09fd new in the box it is sitting next to the new oppo's 103/103d or 105/105d which do you buy?

would you take a chance on a new old stock 09fd?
I have both. If streaming is important to you I would, without question, get the Oppo. Overall, it is a very nice player (once Oppo updated the player several times with firmware updates). If not, and the rest of your equipment (display, speakers, electronics etc...) is fairly high end, I would get the 09. Will you notice the audio/video difference? I and others certainly did. Kind of a risk with the bluray drive though. I never had a problem, but many here did.
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guys have a little bit of hypothetical here, and it maybe a stretch but here it goes...

as of today, you find a brand new 09fd new in the box it is sitting next to the new oppo's 103/103d or 105/105d which do you buy?

would you take a chance on a new old stock 09fd?

What are your paying for the 09FD and where are you finding a NEW 09FD or is this a hypothetical? I personally would not buy anyone's circa 2008 blu-ray player.



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I have both. If streaming is important to you I would, without question, get the Oppo. Overall, it is a very nice player (once Oppo updated the player several times with firmware updates). If not, and the rest of your equipment (display, speakers, electronics etc...) is fairly high end, I would get the 09. Will you notice the audio/video difference? I and others certainly did. Kind of a risk with the bluray drive though. I never had a problem, but many here did.

He can take a BDP-105 and the 09FD and put into his fairly high end or high end system and all he will hear is a difference. Now he will have to decide which difference he prefers.

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Yes, and the "difference" I hear and see made "my" preference the 09. The players are not worlds apart, but if the room, display, speakers and electronics are not high end the differences will likely be nonexistent. Some may prefer the Oppo and that's fine. I have both players in my theater rack so I obviously like them both.

I use the Oppo 103 as my everyday player as it is solid, performs well and is reliable. The 09 is reserved for my favorite movies and blockbusters as I always have an eye on the bluray drive.

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guys thanks for the responses, my display is a pioneer elite pro-151fd 60" plasma...

the price on the new 09fd is $1000 so more in line with the 105/105d oppo's

i am not too concerned with streaming as i have an xbox one/ps4 so that takes care of netflix

i just want the best possible video quality and blu ray playback!!
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...I personally would not buy anyone's circa 2008 blu-ray player.

He can take a BDP-105 and the 09FD and put into his fairly high end or high end system and all he will hear is a difference. Now he will have to decide which difference he prefers.

I would agree with the above answers.

I found the Blu-ray picture to be the same for the BDP-09 as compared to the Pioneer BDP-05/51; they use the same SoC. Like wise for the audio, they all use the same DAC's the 09 just has more of them giving it an inaudible difference IMHO; the difference is on paper for signal-to-noise ratio. The 09 had a very small advantage for DVD playback compared to the BDP-05/51, but not night and day. I've owned all three of these machines and still have the BDP-05.

I have two OPPO's now, one of them on a Pioneer plasma and they have no short comings IMHO.



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Originally Posted by 303_GSS View Post
guys thanks for the responses, my display is a pioneer elite pro-151fd 60" plasma...

the price on the new 09fd is $1000 so more in line with the 105/105d oppo's

i am not too concerned with streaming as i have an xbox one/ps4 so that takes care of netflix

i just want the best possible video quality and blu ray playback!!

You have to do what you're comfortable with but I would point out there is a reason your seller is selling the unit for more than a 50% discount. It's nearly a 7 year old machine with a checkered repair/reliability history. Repair parts are getting hard to find and a drive replacement can cost as much as a new OPPO BDP-103 which I think is as good if not better than the BDP-09.

Personally, if it were me, I'd buy the OPPO BDP-103D and call it a day.

Good luck and Caveat emptor.
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