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Does this mean the Harmony can support the alternate 83 IR codes (for those of us with another OPPO player already in our racks)?

Yes, I would guess. But I have no way to confirm this until I get one.

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Any problems handling Blu-ray/DVD with seamless-branching and/or alternate-angle? The is where my BH200 falls short. I get brief audio dropouts during the seamless-branching transitions.

Could you name some titles?

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I didn't even think 24/192 x 7.1 was even an option for BD bandwidth...

Would make for quite a disc, hyptothetically.... you HEAR THAT DAVID GILMOUR DOING A M/C MIX ON WYWH?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I digress...

Heck, I really don't know if my Integra 9.8 could do 7.1 at 24/192 (I -think- it could...) Any discs approaching this level of audio nerdiness?

Here's a list of titles that have a 96 kHz sampling rate:

http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/St...le&Audio=96kHz
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Another thing I'm worried about is the layer change in DVDs because I haven't experienced one in the seven years of owning my Denon DVD-2900. I hope I'm making too much of this and that it will be imperceptible on the BD-83. I guess this is the info I'm the most anxious to hear about.

DVD layer change is perceptible (to me) but very quick.

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Here's a list of titles that have a 96 kHz sampling rate:

http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/St...le&Audio=96kHz

yeah, but Neuro's talking 7.1 at =192=

Hardcore... Profile 3.0 madness, maybe.

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24-bit/192KHz for decoded DTS-HD Master is only available at 5.1 multi-channels or lower.

Ha, he made a mistake.

DTS-MA decoding is max 96KHz at 5.1. We confirmed this with TrondheimSolistene Divertimenti. THD maxes at 192KHz 5.1.
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Could you name some titles?

-Bill

Blu-ray with seamless branching: American Gangster*, X-File's I Want to Believe*, Aliens vs. Predator 2 and Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

Blu-ray with alternate angle: Ratatouille and The Police: Certifiable*

DVD with alternate angle: Coldplay Live*

* = I can confirm audio drop-outs with my LG BH200.
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...just remember this is Region 0/1 playback of PAL only.

(SOMEBODY had to remind him... )

Good catch, and I am well aware of the un-named feature But, hmm... wonder why this player supports PAL in the first place
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The FAQ/manual states the player will output DSD for those receivers/processors that can decode it.

How do I know if my Denon can handle DSD?; no such decoding is listed on the specs of the AVR.

Does that mean I am "stuck" with outstanding PCM? I would like to hear pure DSD from my SACDs.

Look for a "DSD" logo on the front display. Odds are very high that your AVR will translate to PCM anyhow, unless it has a real "Direct" mode that avoids all DSP.

I've never been able to discern any difference in the two. If there is any, it's like the difference between amazing and very amazing.
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Well, the money's been deducted from my account, so the OPPO Blu Ray should be here soon....
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Does this mean the Harmony can support the alternate 83 IR codes (for those of us with another OPPO player already in our racks)?

I'd be happy to test that out for you on my Harmony One if one of the Oceanic 50 would send me their 83.
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But, hmm... wonder why this player supports PAL in the first place

Because it can, and because it's very easy to make a R-2/4 disc into a R-0 one.
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Because it can, and because it's very easy to make a R-2/4 disc into a R-0 one.

Given that it can play R0 PAL discs, is it safe to presume that it will also play 1080i50 Blu-ray discs?

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The player can do Dolby Digital TrueHD at 7.1 multi-channels at 24-bit/192KHz when decoding. There is no sample oversampling.

I was just wondering because according to Dolby's website, on the BD format Dolby TrueHD:

* Supports up to eight full-range channels of 24-bit/96 kHz audio
* Supports up to 5.1 channels of 24-bit/192 kHz audio

Either the website or the manual must be mistaken.

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The player can't do DTS-HD Master TrueHD at 7.1 multi-channels at 24-bit/192KHz when decoding. It can only do 7.1 multi-channels at 24-bit/96KHz (downsample).

I don't think that this is a case of downsampling because the DTS-HD white paper does not claim support for 192 kHz for more than 2 channels--with 7.1 channels, it can only support 96 kHz (at least on BD). The BDP-83's manual is absolutely correct about DTS-HD MA, but as mentioned earlier it may be inaccurate with regard to Dolby TrueHD.

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24-bit/192KHz for decoded DTS-HD Master is only available at 5.1 multi-channels or lower.

Dolby claims this for TrueHD, but DTS only claims 2 channels at 192 kHz (which the BDP-83 manual also states).
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Ha, he made a mistake.

DTS-MA decoding is max 96KHz at 5.1. We confirmed this with TrondheimSolistene Divertimenti. THD maxes at 192KHz 5.1.

You caught me. I was thinking about transportation, and not decoding when I wrote that statement. Edited.
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Dolby claims this for TrueHD, but DTS only claims 2 channels at 192 kHz (which the BDP-83 also states).

I only have the PS3 to check (yes, not an ideal system for checking) and it sends 5.1 24-bit/192KHz from a DTS-HD Master track on the TrondheimSolistene Divertimenti BD.

PS3 could be oversampling. I will be doing more testing with different BD players this weekend to confirm.
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I'm interested in the HDCD capability of the unit, since I have quite a few HDCD CDs. After reading the manual, it appears that the best way to listen to HDCD CDs would be through the L/R analog outputs. Is this correct?

Can anyone comment on the HDCD playback of the unit?
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Blu-ray with seamless branching: American Gangster*, X-File's I Want to Believe*, Aliens vs. Predator 2 and Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

Blu-ray with alternate angle: Ratatouille and The Police: Certifiable*

DVD with alternate angle: Coldplay Live*

* = I can confirm audio drop-outs with my LG BH200.

No problems with playback on the X-Files film. I do recall accessing the special features to be sluggish on that one. Lots of BD-J?

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Not sure if this would be the appropriate place, but if anyone has feedback on the disc, please post it here. This is our first Blu-ray disc.

Do you know if the online doc has an official home yet? I have a place for it in the FAQ but it is currently dummied out.

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I know I´m not allow to... but I´m going to ask anyway.

Will it be Multiregion on both on BD & DVD?

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If you don´t want to give a straight answer just reply with: One smiley for the DVD part and Two smileys for both.

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I know I´m not allow to... but I´m going to ask anyway.

Will it be Multiregion on both on BD & DVD?

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If you don´t want to give a straight answer just reply with: One smiley for the DVD part and Two smileys for both.

Thanks in advance.

See the FAQ: Is the player locked for Blu-ray and DVD regions?

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Yes: Blu-ray region A and DVD region 1.

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Can this player deinterlace 1080i BDs to 1080p?
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See the FAQ: Is the player locked for Blu-ray and DVD regions?

-Bill

Officially, yes.

But would be possible to make it multiregion non-officially, that´s my question.
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Can this player deinterlace 1080i BDs to 1080p?

Most definitely yes, and very well.
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Officially, yes.

But would be possible to make it multiregion non-officially, that´s my question.

It's an unofficial FAQ; I would tell you if it were possible. There is no known way.

What hackers or hardware mod people come up with in the future I can't predict, but I wouldn't buy the player with that expectation.

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When can we expect to se the European BDP-83 available at OppoShop?
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When can we expect to se the European BDP-83 available at OppoShop?

Don't be too anxious, let us road-test it for you!
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Another thing I'm worried about is the layer change in DVDs because I haven't experienced one in the seven years of owning my Denon DVD-2900. I hope I'm making too much of this and that it will be imperceptible on the BD-83.

It's been a couple months since I last checked, but I have no reason to believe it has changed. Using the SD-DVD Layer Change stress test from "Avia Pro" SD-DVD, I get:

BDP-83: 0.8 seconds
PS3: 1.2 seconds
Pioneer DV-59avi: 2.0 seconds

In general, the layer change you see on well authored SD-DVD discs should be less than this. For example, most casual user reports would put the layer change in the Pioneer DV-59avi at about only 0.5 seconds.

Layer change will be more noticeable on poorly authored SD-DVD discs that also seek the laser head to the other edge of the disc as part of the layer change rather than just reversing direction.
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From also following the Anthem D2 thread that I know Bob is also very active on, this question may be directed to him.



After reading the BDP-83 User's Manual, this looks possible but would appreciate it being confirmed or refuted by the beta testers. Are the audio outputs all active simultaneously?



My A/V Processor (Anthem AVM 50, not yet upgraded to v2) is presently HDMI 1.1 compliant and does not internally decode the advanced lossless codecs. Can I connect the BDP-83 to the AVM50 with both HDMI for video and decoded LPCM audio for lossless codecs when playing Blu Ray discs and simultaneously a coaxial digital cable for bitstream audio when playing SD-DVDs? I would also anticipate using the HDMI connection for video when playing SD-DVD.



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