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I watched Underworld once on this player tried to watch it again it wouldnt play today I tried it today now it plays.
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I watched Underworld once on this player tried to watch it again it wouldnt play today I tried it today now it plays.

Well I tried the disc again and it said cant play disk I called Samsung they said to unplug player for 10 sec plug it back in. I did and it plays now.
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I picked up this player last night to replace my Sharp Aquos BDHP20U. So far, I love it. Plays everything I've thrown at it with no problems.

While the Sharp player was ok, its slow load time, inability to play certain discs (Dark Knight), and lack of firmware updates really started to get to me.

I'll report back if I notice any hiccups.
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Has anyone had any luck controlling the A/B buttons (to select Netflix/Pandora) with a Harmony remote (I'm using the 890)? Nothing I've tried seems to work. Thanks!
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Harmony 720 and P2550, I'm having no problems controlling the A/B (Netflix/Pandora) buttons... I even have them labeled as Netflix and Pandora on the first page of command on my Harmony 720, and separately as A/B/C/D on the third page. Seeing as the IR codes for these commands haven't changed since the original P1000, I can't see why they would have changed for the P1600. I've used the same code set for my P1000, UP5000, and now P2550.

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Got it! Thanks. I didn't realize the buttons were labeled "green/red".


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Harmony 720 and P2550, I'm having no problems controlling the A/B (Netflix/Pandora) buttons... I even have them labeled as Netflix and Pandora on the first page of command on my Harmony 720, and separately as A/B/C/D on the third page. Seeing as the IR codes for these commands haven't changed since the original P1000, I can't see why they would have changed for the P1600. I've used the same code set for my P1000, UP5000, and now P2550.

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I wonder what's under that square piece of plastic on the bottom of the 1600. Anybody looked inside?
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I wonder what's under that square piece of plastic on the bottom of the 1600. Anybody looked inside?

That's where you put the dilithium crystals.
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That's where you put the dilithium crystals.

Maybe Samsung will include dilithium crystals in the new BD-P3600.
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Samsung Support directed me to their parts site where the Wireless Dongle is listed. It however is on nationwide back order and says it MAY be available in 4 weeks. The price is not for the faint of heart; a whipping $82. Has anyone found another wireless dongle that works with this for less?


http://www.samsungparts.com/part_det...&search_model=
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I bought a 25' CAT 5E ethernet cable today for 7 bucks. That'll do me just fine compared to that ripoff wireless USB dongle.
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Samsung Support directed me to their parts site where the Wireless Dongle is listed. It however is on nationwide back order and says it MAY be available in 4 weeks. The price is not for the faint of heart; a whipping $82. Has anyone found another wireless dongle that works with this for less?


http://www.samsungparts.com/part_det...&search_model=

pg. 30 of the manual.
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This unit is compatible with only Samsung Wireless LAN Adapter. (not included)
(Model name: WIS09ABGN).
- The Samsung Wireless LAN Adapter is sold separately.
- Contact a Samsung Electronics agent or service center for purchasing

I hope this aint a proprietary component that only crack dealers can sell . Makes you wonder if future BD players are gonna go wireless as an option, a better design would be to have Wi-Fi built-in, like the PS3. How much more would it have been, if Samsung would have wireless built-in?

Less than 82 bux? Less of PITA too...

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That's where you put the dilithium crystals.


You do realize that some numbnut is likely going to try putting Swarovski crystals in there instead because they weren't able to find dilithium crystals(for some odd reason, LMAO!)
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Decisions, decisions--do I go with the 1600 or opt for the 2500? Price IS somewhat of a concern, but if I can get the 1600 for a good deal less than the 2500, would it be the wiser choice?
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Decisions, decisions--do I go with the 1600 or opt for the 2500? Price IS somewhat of a concern, but if I can get the 1600 for a good deal less than the 2500, would it be the wiser choice?

If you are not concerned about standard dvd upconversion or don't need the analog out I would go for the 1600.
The blu-ray PQ between the 2500 and 1600 should be the same. I would also suspect the speed would be better with the 1600 too- as the 1600 is based on a newer and faster broadcom chip.

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If you are not concerned about standard dvd upconversion or don't need the analog out I would go for the 1600.
The blu-ray PQ between the 2500 and 1600 should be the same. I would also suspect the speed would be better with the 1600 too- as the 1600 is based on a newer and faster broadcom chip.

That is essentially it

Netflix support - same
Pandora support - same (for 2550 only)
Audio Bitstream - same
Audio Decoding - same
BD PQ - same (or very close to the same when outputting 1080p24)

1600 advantages
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cheaper
wifi support (if needed)
possibly faster? anyone have boot & disc load times?
Pandora support. 2500 doesn't have it. Only the more expensive 2550 does.

2500/250 advantages
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Better DVD Upconversion w/ HQV
Better Netflix upconversion w/ HQV ?
7.1 analog output
1GB internal flash for BD-Live (1600 requires external usb drive)

I am also trying to decide between these two players. I use HDMI to AVR so 7.1 is of no use for me and I don't need wifi.

So really for me it comes down to
1) Is BD-P1600 faster?
2) Does BD-P2550 upconvert netflix content w/ HQV? Or is it limited to DVD only?
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2) Does BD-P2550 upconvert netflix content w/ HQV? Or is it limited to DVD only?

Now that's the $64,000 question. I'd like to see some published data on this one and not the subjective whips of some 2500 series owners.
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This isn't what ab2ab is looking for, but I see a sharper and more dvd-like image from Netflix on my P2550 than on my TivoHD. Others have reported similar when comparing the P2500/2550 to the Roku box. This makes me think HQV is applied to Netflix, but I don't have any published data to support this.

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Hey namechamp

Have you seen the 1600 DVD upconversion? I'm just curious cause I got my whole setup done on Friday and watched movies all weekend. I thought the DVD upconversion looked great. Again I haven't compared it to the older units which is why I ask. Also another question which might throw another positive at the 1600. What is the 1 GB for BD-Lived used for? Is it basically like a ram or does it do longterm storage. My point is that you can easily buy more storage at anytime whereas with the older or units with built in memory you can't upgrade it easily. These aren't make it break it points but just other factors to throw out there. There is a lot to like about this machine. It is really fast. Faster than any DVD player I have ever had. I love using Pandora, truely awesome. My only downside is the Netflix streaming. I loved it at first watching it on my original SDTV. Watching it on an HDTV is like watching SD on HDTV, ehhh ok.
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Netflix streaming... watching it on an HDTV is like watching SD on HDTV, ehhh ok.

I'm pretty sure it IS watching SD on an HDTV... at least with 99% of the content available...

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I'm also waiting on a comparison review to figure out if HQV makes last years model worth jumping on over these. I was assuming that when this years models launched it would be at lower price points, but for whatever reason Samsung raised them $100 while taking out features. What a PITA!

If I am going to buy last years model, it would be nice if I at least got a discount on it. The prices are completely stagnant. It's so frustrating.
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I'm also waiting on a comparison review to figure out if HQV makes last years model worth jumping on over these. I was assuming that when this years models launched it would be at lower price points, but for whatever reason Samsung raised them $100 while taking out features. What a PITA!

If I am going to buy last years model, it would be nice if I at least got a discount on it. The prices are completely stagnant. It's so frustrating.

I don't think they raised the price point, they're just new models selling at or near MSRP. As time passes, the prices will drop to what you're seeing on the P1500 and P2500 now. Also, the P1600 looks to have added a number of features, namely Netflix and Pandora, over the P1500. The P3600 looks to have removed HQV scaling in favor of WiFi... this is what would push me towards the P2500/2550, especially if you're viewing a large percentage of SD material (DVD or NetFlix) on a large screen. The P2500/2550 should offer about the best SD DVD image quality possible (assuming Secrets Benchmark is a reliable one, and the P2500/2550 shares the SD image processing of the P1200).

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I'm also waiting on a comparison review to figure out if HQV makes last years model worth jumping on over these. I was assuming that when this years models launched it would be at lower price points, but for whatever reason Samsung raised them $100 while taking out features. What a PITA!

If I am going to buy last years model, it would be nice if I at least got a discount on it. The prices are completely stagnant. It's so frustrating.

At this price point, there is nothing out there that offers better PQ than HQV.

As for price, when P2500/2550 first released, it was similar or higher than 3600 IIRC.
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As for price, when P2500/2550 first released, it was similar or higher than 3600 IIRC.

Yes, but we are at the point where blu ray players should be entering the mass market phase. I was expecting to see them leverage this into price drops this gen, especially since there are no great new features (and one of the top features, HQV, is gone).

Now I'm disappointed that it hasn't happened, all the players were cheaper 3-4 months ago, and all the new players are +$100 than their older equivalent. Hopefully they move off the MSRPs soon, since I think they are crazy.
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One of Sony's goals, and likely the entire BD group's, was to keep BD hardware from becoming a commodity as quickly as DVD hardware did. So far they've done an impressive job. The paradox this creates is without mass-market player penetration disc prices remain high as well. It almost seems like a chicken/egg scenario, but it's pretty clear that player prices have to drop first, and then disc prices will follow.

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Doesn't the HQV chip also upconvert 1080i and 720p BD content to 1080p with flying colors (passing the HQV torture tests)?

My Samsung DLP HDTV has a terrible 480i, 720p, and 1080i to 1080p scaler. It's an older 1080p set that failed those tests. If I can feed it solid 1080p video from a good source... the TV looks uber sharp and spectacular (since the internal scaler is bypassed).

Looks like the 2500 is the better bet... maybe?

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Doesn't the HQV chip also upconvert 1080i and 720p BD content to 1080p with flying colors (passing the HQV torture tests)?

My Samsung DLP HDTV has a terrible 480i, 720p, and 1080i to 1080p scaler. It's an older 1080p set that failed those tests. If I can feed it solid 1080p video from a good source... the TV looks uber sharp and spectacular

I don't know why anyone cares. Those lower resolutions will eventually go away. Nothing can really upscale 480i and make it look passable. It has always looked like cr*p, it will always look like cr*p--we just didn't used to know different. Meanwhile, just watch good HD content.
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I don't know why anyone cares. Those lower resolutions will eventually go away. Nothing can really upscale 480i and make it look passable. It has always looked like cr*p, it will always look like cr*p--we just didn't used to know different. Meanwhile, just watch good HD content.

If you think nothing can upscale SD-DVD well, then you've never seen it done well. HQV, along with ABT, surely can upscale SD material and make it look more than passable. It isn't HD or BD quality, but is far more than passable. There are people, myself included, with substantial SD-DVD libraries that we either do not want to or can not replace with BD. A good scaling player makes the best of these libraries.

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If you think nothing can upscale SD-DVD well, then you've never seen it done well. HQV, along with ABT, surely can upscale SD material and make it look more than passable. It isn't HD or BD quality, but is far more than passable. There are people, myself included, with substantial SD-DVD libraries that we either do not want to or can not replace with BD. A good scaling player makes the best of these libraries.

Watchable maybe, passable, meh.

480i is something less than six times fewer pixels than 1920x1080. Garbage in garbage out.
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Is this player significantly faster then other players in it's price range?

And also, I'm lost in three letter acronym hell... I don't know what any of them mean???

Bottom line... Does this thing have a good upscaler or not?

I'm trying to buy a Blu-ray player in the next week or two and I'm a little lost as to what my best bet will be. If this player is significantly faster then others, it might win.

Sorry for being a complete newbie about this stuff.
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