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post #1351 of 1372 Old 07-05-2013, 08:22 AM
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End users can't go back to an older firmware.
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Does anyone know how to defeat the auto-shutdown on a 390? When paused or on the x-bar, mine powers down after a while (30 minutes?) no matter what the power management settings.

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I never found a root cause, but I suspect it was either the firmware was causing non-Sony discs to have difficulty playing, or that the read head was dirty.

I was agitated and just bought a new player. Since this player failed sooner than I felt it should have (after only about 2 years), I didn't even bother buying a Sony. I went with a Panasonic DMP-BDT220. It was relatively cheap ($99) and had some upgrades over my S360 (BDP-BX2), most notably streaming from Netflix & Amazon. At the time it seemed to be the highest rated consumer Blu-Ray player, other than going with an Oppo or a PS3.

To be fair, I am not really impressed with the streaming support of the Panasonic. It works, but it is slow to start and seems to have a problem once in a while. I has brought me to considering going with a Roku to provide streaming content. The Panasonic does play blu-rays fine and I have not run into a disc that it does not play (yet).
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It's kind of funny. My 360 also was suffering from the invalid disc message. I eventually gave up and just moved my 470 to that particular display. The funny part is that the old x60 line of Sony DVD players were also known to fail prematurely (usually right out of the year warranty). So both my Sony DVP-S360 and BDP-S360 failed well before they should have.

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Your post is confusing. You say you sent-in your player for service and they re-flashed the firmware, but only to 011? Ver 011 is older than 6/21/2012--when did you send in your player for service?

Now it's at 011 and you're contemplating 014? It seems to me if you are having problems still, that this is the obvious thing to try.

As for using the Service Menu to "update firmware" e.g. to an older version, I didn't review that entire thread (link you posted) to see if anyone's tried this. In any case I would not mess with "grounding an EPROM pin" but I'd be surprised if the menu item "Version Updater" would brick your player i.e. did anyone in that thread try it? Insert a CD with the update on it (update meaning ver 008) and GO? I searched on UPDATA_11X008.ZIP and it's still available it seems.
It was indeed a long time ago if you think about it we are talking about a 2009 model (this player is quite old). I bought it heavily discounted as the last years model at the time so I ended up getting the full warranty but it started about the time that most people's 1 yr was ending at the time 011 hadn't been out all that long.. I did write extensively about this in this forum, IDK how many pages back it is now, during the "adventure" / when it was ongoing.
It had been using 08 perfectly, it was after doing the reported successful upgrade to 011 that problems began (that seemed like the likely suspect at the time however...), they simply re-flashed 011 on and would not go back to 08 for me.

Logically, I disagree that committing forever to 014 is the obvious thing to do. I spent hours at the time researching & some in the intervening years trying to problem solve that player's issues as well as get a feel for the problems of others. Firmware updates have an abnormally high rate of bricking these Sony's.
So under normal circumstances and with most devices (especially when correctable) the firmware upgrade would be the best solution to at least try (then rule in or out based on the results), however with no way to reverse it for under ~$120, and it still having a decent value to another besides me [as is], I'm going to keep going with it [as is] for the time being. It's certainly an option, but the problems that the firmware are likely there to address are new disc copyright protection schemes not actually to address the problem.

The problem became noticeable, prior to sending it to Laredo, TX for repair, on discs that had worked perfectly using 08 firmware, after being on 011 they were invalid. (I jumped to the conclusion that it was firmware as it was a nearby occurrence but the whole issue may not have been as simple as cause and effect).
I did come across a recent post that may hold some promise (doesn't involve bad firmware, dirty laser, weak laser, failing laser... and I'm hoping the person that posted it can provide some pictures / video as to exactly what they did.
I came back here to dig up the posts where I attached pictures from when i cracked open my BDP-s560.

EDIT: Also no one has yet posted or commented whether 014 Contains the Analog Kill Switch in it. These older players have a decent value when it comes to pairings with older HDTVs in that they can output via Component Cable at 1080i or 720P.
If someone would be kind enough to test 014 as to whether it keeps the BDP-s560 capable of 1080i over component I would be thankful. I posted the results when someone asked about that ability when 011 was the current firmware; I'm inclined to play the wait & see game. Might not be enough members left with working BDP-s560's to test that.... lol.


P.S. I don't really spend any time worrying about this unit. I literally have BR players coming out of my butt right now with deals I've been finding. At the time, it was my first & only and I didn't think it had paid for it self yet. PLUS to go from a RockStar to having issues gave me a project to work on and a battle to fight.
Sometimes you succeed and other times time passes it & you by w/o a satisfactory resolution. Though when by happenstance I stumbled upon his premise and extrapolated theory as to what is causing all or some of the invalid disc errors; it REALLY perked my curiosity enough to come over here & see where these threads are & to find my pictures/ refresh my memory of the data at the time.

Here's the link it's the 8-9-2013 post in case you are curious/interested.
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=8036942#post8036942
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I never found a root cause, but I suspect it was either the firmware was causing non-Sony discs to have difficulty playing, or that the read head was dirty.

I was agitated and just bought a new player. Since this player failed sooner than I felt it should have (after only about 2 years), I didn't even bother buying a Sony...
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It's kind of funny. My 360 also was suffering from the invalid disc message. I eventually gave up and just moved my 470 to that particular display. The funny part is that the old x60 line of Sony DVD players were also known to fail prematurely (usually right out of the year warranty). So both my Sony DVP-S360 and BDP-S360 failed well before they should have.
I multi-quoted you two in case this guy's post is of interest to you as well. Dated 8-9-2013
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=8036942#post8036942
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I literally have BR players coming out of my butt right now
Pics please!

On second thought, never mind...

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I've been having a strange issue lately with my BDP-S360 where I will play a dvd and the sound and image will drop out every few seconds. Sometimes it will fix itself, others I have to unplug the HDMI cable and plug it back in and it will work fine. Because of this quick-fix, I swapped the HDMI cable with the one in my cable box, but the issue persists, cable box works fine with either cable. The strange part is I have never noticed the player do this when playing a blu-ray, only dvds. Any idea what could be causing this?
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Hi all.

I had my first experience today with my BDP S360 not playing a disk. I'm still on FW 007 (from 2009) and resisted upgrading until I had a problem.

I tried to play the new Muse - Live at Rome Olympic Stadium BD. Filmed in Sony QuadHD, dontcha know!eek.gif

Anyway, I tried the disk in another BD player (in our home PC) and received an error that I needed an upgrade for the player. That only took a minute and I was off to the races. Works fine in our PC. The picture is absolutely spectacular, just FYI.

I called Sony and they're sending me a new FW disk...hope that's all it takes.

I believe version 014 is the current one?

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Hmmm...FW update: Check. Replacement BD: Check. Still nothing.

The disk just spins in the unit but refuses to play. No error messages...just the sound of the disk spinning.

Weird.
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I just received this player today for free (BDP-S360). So far, it works great with my backups, but it is on firmware version 002. Is there a firmware version that implemented "Cinavia" protection. I want to upgrade, but I don't want Cinavia. Or is there a list of problem movies from firmware 002.

It would also be nice if I could download the older versions, but I don't see them on Sony's site.

Can one flash from a newer version to an older version?

At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it.

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Solution: bought a BDP-S6200. Life is good again.
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I just received this player today for free (BDP-S360). So far, it works great with my backups, but it is on firmware version 002. Is there a firmware version that implemented "Cinavia" protection. I want to upgrade, but I don't want Cinavia. Or is there a list of problem movies from firmware 002.

It would also be nice if I could download the older versions, but I don't see them on Sony's site.

Can one flash from a newer version to an older version?

Check the Sony support website. I doubt that any firmware for the BDP-S360 supports cinavia. From what I have seen, Sony has been very good about pointing out what firmware updates include cinavia in them.

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Check the Sony support website. I doubt that any firmware for the BDP-S360 supports cinavia. From what I have seen, Sony has been very good about pointing out what firmware updates include cinavia in them.

Their website is useless, it just says that the latest firmware was to "improve disc compatibility."

I managed to find an old copy of FW 011 and I upgraded it from 002 that was on the player and there is no Cinavia. I wasn't brave enough however, to upgrade to the latest 014 as I found one post on the internet stating that Cinavia was included in the update. Since I don't think you can flash back to older versions of the FW (that's a reason I like LG) I'm not going to try and upgrade it any further at this point.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it.

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Their website is useless, it just says that the latest firmware was to "improve disc compatibility."

I managed to find an old copy of FW 011 and I upgraded it from 002 that was on the player and there is no Cinavia. I wasn't brave enough however, to upgrade to the latest 014 as I found one post on the internet stating that Cinavia was included in the update. Since I don't think you can flash back to older versions of the FW (that's a reason I like LG) I'm not going to try and upgrade it any further at this point.

I think you will find that 95% of firmware updates from all manufacturers basically say the update is to improve compatibility as that is the primary reason for issuing firmware updates (to resolve problems, handle new menu programming, deal with whatever drm schemes studios dream up, etc.). Cinavia seems to require significant code and processing on the part of the player since it constantly scans for the cinavia code hidden in the audio track, so it isn't a trivial firmware update. Some folks have suggested that a processing chip needs to be in the player for it to work, but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. My guess is that Sony players of the S570 and earlier vintage will never be burdened with cinavia.
And you are correct: you cannot go backwards with firmware versions unless you find a way to fool the player into thinking the older firmware is actually newer than what is currently installed..

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Here it is Oct 2014 and I just bought a used BDP-S560. It has a refurbished sticker on it. The firmware is 11.4.014, so the latest. I have not had access to any BR discs yet (which might seem odd).

What DAC chip is being used for audio L,R on the S560? Must be under the big heat sink?
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Actually you can downgrade the firmware of Sony BDP Blu-ray players

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End users can't go back to an older firmware.
Actually you can downgrade the firmware of Sony BDP Blu-ray players if you're willing to use an additional program to edit the firmware files. I followed the S390 instructions from http://www.malcolmstagg.com/bdp-s390-downgrade.html to downgrade my Sony BDP-S370 Blu-ray player from firmware M03.R.804 to M03.R.695. Now it plays the "Planet of the Apes" Blu-rays that wouldn't play with firmware M03.R.804.
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Actually you can downgrade the firmware of Sony BDP Blu-ray players if you're willing to use an additional program to edit the firmware files. I followed the S390 instructions from http://www.malcolmstagg.com/bdp-s390-downgrade.html to I downgrade my Sony BDP-S370 Blu-ray player from firmware M03.R.804 to M03.R.695. Now it plays the "Planet of the Apes" Blu-rays that wouldn't play with firmware M03.R.804.
Nice! Thanks for posting that.
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Blu Ray Player skipping on 1 disc

I have purchased 3 separate copies of the same blu ray, The Bourne Identity, and all 3 have the same issue--at about the 25 minute mark (sometimes a little before, sometimes after) the blu ray player begins to freeze-up and skip. This continues off and on for as long as I've had the patience to put up with it. The longest I've gone so far is about 15 minutes. If I "rewind", sometimes the player skips again in roughly the same spot, and sometimes it gets further. If I exit back to the main menu and restart the movie, same thing happens. If instead of "play movie" I select a chapter to start at, I can sometimes get a little further into the movie from where the original skipping happens, but it ALWAYS skips again. This has happened with all three separate discs. I have over 200 other blu ray discs, and have never experienced this with any of them, nor have I had it happen with any of the 300 regular DVD discs that I own, including the regular DVD version of the Bourne Iddentity...only with the blu ray of that movie.

I have upgraded the firmware on my player, a Sony BDP-S360, but this continues to happen. I have left all settings on the player at their defaults.

What is hapening and how do I fix it? Any ideas?

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Actually you can downgrade the firmware of Sony BDP Blu-ray players if you're willing to use an additional program to edit the firmware files. I followed the S390 instructions from http://www.malcolmstagg.com/bdp-s390-downgrade.html to downgrade my Sony BDP-S370 Blu-ray player from firmware M03.R.804 to M03.R.695. Now it plays the "Planet of the Apes" Blu-rays that wouldn't play with firmware M03.R.804.
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Nice! Thanks for posting that.
I forgot about this.... It's a bit over my head. Has anyone tried this for the 360 or 560?
Would really love to go back to Firmware 008 on the BDP-560 before all the problems began. I'd call it Version 69 LOL
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Should I throw out my old Blu-ray player or save it?

I had an old Sony BDP-S360 Blu-ray player that I replaced about a year ago because I was having audio dropout issues with it on my AVR. I noticed it happened shortly after I bought a new TV, so I was thinking that it probably was some sort of a compatibility issue with the new TV since the problem started happening right after I got the new TV. I finally replaced it last year with a new Panasonic player and the audio dropout issue was resolved obviously. But I still have my old Sony player the closet as I’m hesitant to throw it out for two reasons….

1- Maybe the problem only occurs on certain TVs like mine or when hooked up through an AVR. So, if someone has the right TV that’s compatible with it or doesn’t use an AVR, then the player might work well for them and I would gladly give it to them.
2- There is a component and composite outputs in the back of the player since it’s an old school player. So, if someone wants it and wants to hook it up via component or via composite to an old school TV, then maybe they will have use for the player.

After all, the player still plays discs perfectly so if someone wants it simply as a DVD player, they can have it. But with streaming rising in popularity and Blu-ray declining in popularity, I can’t find one person that wants the player. Even if I did, who would want an old player like this that loads discs at such a slow speed when you can get a cheap player today that loads at a lightning speed?

So, with that said, what do you guys think I should do? Continue keeping it until someone wants it or just throw it out. I really want to throw it out but am afraid that once I do, I’ll regret it.
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