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post #31 of 213 Old 07-19-2009, 02:07 AM
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If it will output full bandwidth SACD (as DSD and PCM), it will be.

We will just have to wait and see.
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The BIG question is "what does it do that my $499 OPPO BDP-83 won't do for $5,500 less?

OPPO BDP-83 Specifications:

Video Specifications
Analog Video: Composite, Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr, 480i/480p, 720p/1080i available for non-restricted content; up to 1080i Blu-ray)
Digital Video: HDMI with HDCP (NTSC: 480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p/1080p24, PAL 576i/576p/720p/1080i/1080p/1080p24)
ABT2010 de-interlacing and scaling solution (HDMI only)
30 and 36bit Deep Color support

Audio Specifications
Analog Audio: 7.1ch or 5.1ch, Dedicated Stereo.
D/AC: Two-channel Cirrus CS4398 DAC for Discrete Stereo; Eight-channel CS4382A DAC for Multi-Channel Analog.
Digital Audio: Coaxial, Optical
HDMI Audio: Stereo to 7.1ch.
Bit stream and internal decoding of Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio for HDMI and Analog.
SACD DSD bit stream over HDMI or straight to analog; SACD DSD to PCM conversion over HDMI and analog.

Media Compatibility
Disc Types: BD-Video, DVD-Video, AVCHD, DVD-Audio, SACD, CD, HDCD, Kodak Picture CD, CD-R/RW, DVD±R/RW, DVD±R DL, BD-R/RE
(Compatibility with user-encoded contents or user-created discs is on a best effort basis with no guarantee due to the variation of media, software and techniques used.)
BD Profile: BD-ROM version 2 Profile 2 (also compatible with Profile 1 version 1.0 and 1.1). 1GB of Internal Storage; External Storage expandable through USB.
Dual USB Ports (One in back; one front) for video, audio, picture, and BD-Live expandability.

Unique or Optimized Features
PS3 caliber load speeds for BD-Java enabled discs.
Resolution, Picture and Audio adjustments can be performed on the fly.
Discrete Output Resolution: You can force the player to always output a 480i/p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p 50/60Hz, and 1080p/24Hz (DVD-Video and Blu-ray) video signal.
Source Direct: This allows the player to intelligently and automatically change the video output resolution of the player based off of the content source. For example, SD DVD will playback at 480i, Blu-ray will play back at 1080p/24Hz, and DVD-Audio and SACD will playback at 1080i (to ensure maximum audio bandwidth is available). This is ideal for people who use external scalers or do not want the BDP-83 to do any video de-interlacing and scaling.
Video Demo Mode: Splits the screen vertically with one half showing the original source image, while the other half shows the results of adjustment to the Edge Enhancement, Detail Enhancement and Noise Reduction controls.
Up to 1920x1080 native MPEG-2, AVCHD, MKV and DivX/XviD video support; JPEG and PNG picture support.
Fully back-lit remote control
Anamorphic lens compatible with constant height Zoom. Other Zoom modes identical to DV-983H


General Specifications
Power Supply: Power Supply: ~ 100V – 240V, 50/60Hz AC
Power Consumption: 35W (0.5W Standby)
Dimensions: 430mm x 336mm x 77mm, 16⅞ x 13¼ x 3 inches
Mass: 5.1kg / 11.2 lbs
Region Enforcement: DVD Region 1 (non-adjustable) and Blu-ray Region A (non-adjustable)



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I must pass this 9004UD after Pioneer LX91,Denon DVD-A1UD(the best one ever)
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The BIG question is "what does it do that my $499 OPPO BDP-83 won't do for $5,500 less?

OPPO BDP-83 Specifications:

Video Specifications
Analog Video: Composite, Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr, 480i/480p, 720p/1080i available for non-restricted content; up to 1080i Blu-ray)
Digital Video: HDMI with HDCP (NTSC: 480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p/1080p24, PAL 576i/576p/720p/1080i/1080p/1080p24)
ABT2010 de-interlacing and scaling solution (HDMI only)
30 and 36bit Deep Color support

Audio Specifications
Analog Audio: 7.1ch or 5.1ch, Dedicated Stereo.
D/AC: Two-channel Cirrus CS4398 DAC for Discrete Stereo; Eight-channel CS4382A DAC for Multi-Channel Analog.
Digital Audio: Coaxial, Optical
HDMI Audio: Stereo to 7.1ch.
Bit stream and internal decoding of Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio for HDMI and Analog.
SACD DSD bit stream over HDMI or straight to analog; SACD DSD to PCM conversion over HDMI and analog.

Media Compatibility
Disc Types: BD-Video, DVD-Video, AVCHD, DVD-Audio, SACD, CD, HDCD, Kodak Picture CD, CD-R/RW, DVD±R/RW, DVD±R DL, BD-R/RE
(Compatibility with user-encoded contents or user-created discs is on a best effort basis with no guarantee due to the variation of media, software and techniques used.)
BD Profile: BD-ROM version 2 Profile 2 (also compatible with Profile 1 version 1.0 and 1.1). 1GB of Internal Storage; External Storage expandable through USB.
Dual USB Ports (One in back; one front) for video, audio, picture, and BD-Live expandability.

Unique or Optimized Features
PS3 caliber load speeds for BD-Java enabled discs.
Resolution, Picture and Audio adjustments can be performed on the fly.
Discrete Output Resolution: You can force the player to always output a 480i/p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p 50/60Hz, and 1080p/24Hz (DVD-Video and Blu-ray) video signal.
Source Direct: This allows the player to intelligently and automatically change the video output resolution of the player based off of the content source. For example, SD DVD will playback at 480i, Blu-ray will play back at 1080p/24Hz, and DVD-Audio and SACD will playback at 1080i (to ensure maximum audio bandwidth is available). This is ideal for people who use external scalers or do not want the BDP-83 to do any video de-interlacing and scaling.
Video Demo Mode: Splits the screen vertically with one half showing the original source image, while the other half shows the results of adjustment to the Edge Enhancement, Detail Enhancement and Noise Reduction controls.
Up to 1920x1080 native MPEG-2, AVCHD, MKV and DivX/XviD video support; JPEG and PNG picture support.
Fully back-lit remote control
Anamorphic lens compatible with constant height Zoom. Other Zoom modes identical to DV-983H


General Specifications
Power Supply: Power Supply: ~ 100V - 240V, 50/60Hz AC
Power Consumption: 35W (0.5W Standby)
Dimensions: 430mm x 336mm x 77mm, 16⅞ x 13¼ x 3 inches
Mass: 5.1kg / 11.2 lbs
Region Enforcement: DVD Region 1 (non-adjustable) and Blu-ray Region A (non-adjustable)




very interesting player with cheap price.
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Specs and manual posted for the UD9004 on the Marantz website. It is indeed a Denon A1 at it's core.

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Yes it's a disguised A1 with different sides , toroidal transformer, two , parallel bars underneath the top cover, and a slightely changed back panel rca's position.Also it's .3 kilos heavier.Does not support dvda though.
And with different remote too.
I don't think it will better a1udi.
As for the price tag , well each on it's own.

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Yes it's a disguised A1 with different sides , toroidal transformer, two , parallel bars underneath the top , and a slightely changed back panel rca's position.Also it's .3 kilos heavier.Does not support dvda though.
And with different renote too.
I don't think it will better a1udi.
As for the price tag , well each on it's own.

It does support DVD-Audio. A while back Blu-ray.com reported that DVD-Audio had been dropped but it's clearly in the specs and manual.

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If it will output full bandwidth SACD (as DSD and PCM), it will be.

According to the manual on the Marantz website, SACD is bandwidth limited via HDMI. Further proof that this is a rebadged Denon and instantly deletes it from my prospect list (not that I would seriously consider dropping 6 large in the post-BDP-83 bluray era).

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You purchase this unit over the Denon for the superior audio performance of the Marantz 7.1 channel analog output section.

The video section appears identical to the Denon.
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You purchase this unit over the Denon for the superior audio performance of the Marantz 7.1 channel analog output section.

The video section appears identical to the Denon.

While Marantz has used a different transformer, included HDAM modules, etc., the published audio specs are identical to the Denon A1.

So we will only know "if" the analog performance is indeed better than the A1 once a direct comparison has been made.

Also, both use the same AKM 32 bit DAC's.
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Published audio specs are meaningless in this comparison.

The Marantz multichannel analog out is clearly superior to the Denon.
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Published audio specs are meaningless in this comparison.

The Marantz multichannel analog out is clearly superior to the Denon.

Which is why I mentioned that we will only know if the analog performance is indeed better than the A1 once a direct comparison has been made.
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There is no need for a direct comparison, the evidence is already right in front of your nose.
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There is no need for a direct comparison, the evidence is already right in front of your nose.

The 9004 has a different/more sophisticated/more expensive multichannel HDAM analog output set up proven from the very successful SA7S1 SACD player. The player itself is 1 inch taller in height than the Denon, in order to accomidate the 2 additional analog circuit boards. This difference is also readily apparent looking at the analog output connection setup of the back panel.

Of course, all of these audio improvements will go unoticed in a less than a high end system, but who would pair this player with anything less?
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The 9004 has a different/more sophisticated/more expensive multichannel HDAM analog output set up proven from the very successful SA7S1 SACD player. The player itself is 1 inch taller in height than the Denon, in order to accomidate the 2 additional analog circuit boards. This difference is also readily apparent looking at the analog output connection setup of the back panel.

Of course, all of these audio improvements will go unoticed in a less than a high end system, but who would pair this player with anything less?

You know it's very interesting you mentioning the height difference. As even though the UD9004 is an inch taller than the A1, both players are almost exactly the same weight.
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The 2 additional analog circuit boards wouldn't add much to the total weight of the unit, nor would the additional inch of sheet metal on the front, back, and sides. Maybe 6 ounces total for all the above.

Listen, Marantz knows how to make high end audio components. They are time tested, but so is Denon. I think D and M holdings wants Marantz postioned slightly above Denon in audio, as evidenced by this player.

Out of the three top bluray player manufacturers (Marantz, Denon, Pioneer), Marantz is also the only company with an in house, high end multichannel pure analog preamp solution ready and waiting to take advantage of this step up in multichannel analog high res bluray audio quality.
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The UD 9004 had different chassis and beefier power supply than the A1. I have not deciede which to get, yet.
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I know that a number of Marantz home cinema receivers use the CS4382A DAC so i wonder if this player uses it for the eight channel analog output section or does it use better DACS ?

If it uses the exact same DACS as some of their home cinema receivers and the same as the Oppo Blu Ray player then what exactly are you paying the extra for other than the brand name ?

It's been shown that differences in image quality between Blu Ray players is very slight no matter the cost of the player. The differences seem to come from SD DVD upconversion and analog audio implementation.

I'm sure build quality will be fantastic on this player but i'm interested in the DACS they are using for the analog out section.
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I know that a number of Marantz home cinema receivers use the CS4382A DAC so i wonder if this player uses it for the eight channel analog output section or does it use better DACS ?

If it uses the exact same DACS as some of their home cinema receivers and the same as the Oppo Blu Ray player then what exactly are you paying the extra for other than the brand name ?

It's been shown that differences in image quality between Blu Ray players is very slight no matter the cost of the player. The differences seem to come from SD DVD upconversion and analog audio implementation.

I'm sure build quality will be fantastic on this player but i'm interested in the DACS they are using for the analog out section.

The DAC's used in the UD9004 (like the Denon A1UD) are AKM AK4399 32 bit.
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I am intrigued by the balanced XLR's. This would be very useful if patching through a outboard pre-amp, especially for those who enjoy stereo listening. But the price may be too high to justify that very useful feature.
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Secrets of Home Theater has a fresh review of the now 2 year old Marantz SA7s1 SACD player that the audio for the 9004 is based on.

Check it out. John Johnson reviewer.
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Interlude: "What am I missing?

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The BIG question is "what does it do that my $499 OPPO BDP-83 won't do for $5,500 less?"

It has REFERENCE SOUND QUALITY. Something the Oppo can't come close to.

If this player lives up to the hype and the price tag, I could see it replacing my SA11S2, Panny 55 and DV9500. Three boxes down to one would be very nice. The current specs for the 9004 list support for DVD-A. The past Marantz Universal players did DVD-A so for it to be truely Universal the 9004 would have to as well. Published specs have been wrong B4 however.
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$6,000 is obscene.

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Honestly, what are they thinking.

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i guess rich people stay rich while the rest of us suffer...

id love to see what this beast will look like--i do like how their new gear looks.

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No wireless-N, no sale.

Bought a UD9004 sight unseen. Even the Chinese Marantz is good but the Japanese Marantz is obscenely good. You are not going to buy a Ferrari for less than a Ferrari price, so stop whining about it. Your 100 Oppo's will be in the landfill long before this piece ever needs service. Thru a ISF'd Pioneer Elite 1080p and great cabling this piece will rock. All Marantz MA-9s / SC-7 / DV-18 / ST-17, Transparent Reference power conditioning, Cardas Neutral Ref / Golden Reference cabling, Dynaudio speakers. Will enjoy, tickets for the next screening are on sale now....lol

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ohrbrcko: High end baby, high end. Go look at a Porsche someday, or maybe a Koenigsegg.
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IOVE: Really don't want a wifi transmitter in a reference piece...we're trying to keep the radio waves out with all that shielding, not generate them!!!

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OK guys so one big question, can anyone explain this in more detail: "Dual HDMI outputs allows Audio Video separate output for High Fidelity Playback" the innards of the player do the audio and video processing seperately and output them via 2 hdmi outputs, 1 hdmi for audio and 1 hdmi for video, so then you'd take the 2 hdmi outputs and hook them into your receiver, then run 1 hdmi from receiver to tv ofc. So basically what are the benefits, I just see that you need 2 hdmi cables to get audio and video to your receiver, which is fine but only if this really does make an increase in audio and video quality or if it in fact makes it worse. I am very curious about this, because I believe this is where the huge cost comes from, I have been looking for something like this online, and this is the only one coming out soon that I have found that can send audio and video seperately to the receiver, the other thing is, because you would be sending audio and video sperately from the receiver, you will want to pair it up with a very nice receiver that has great processing capabilities correct? I mean who wants to pay 6k for something that keeps the signal very untouched straight to the receiver for the receiver to send it to the tv "just ok" lol Anyways more light that can be shed on this by some pro's would be great. Thanks guys, and great topic, the player looks insane!
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The Denon DVD-A1UD and Pioneer Elite 09 both offer dual HDMI outs. The Denon is almost identical to this Marantz, in fact, the Marantz is based on the Denon with a few small differences in construction and audio.

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The Denon DVD-A1UD and Pioneer Elite 09 both offer dual HDMI outs. The Denon is almost identical to this Marantz, in fact, the Marantz is based on the Denon with a few small differences in construction and audio.

The audio is what will make the difference with this piece. I had a Denon 5805MKII 170 watt ten channel AVR and replaced it with the Marantz AV8003/MM8003 150 watt per channel pre-pro. Granted I went from an AVR to seperates, but the difference in sound is significant. The Marantz is simply on another level soundwise. You can look at specs and speculate all you want, but hearing is believing. Re-bagged Denon? I highly doubt it.
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I never said saything about quality of players I was just pointing out where the Marantz player is coming from. Denon and Marantz are under the same umbrella company and my bet would be if there hadn't been the DVD-A1 there most definitely woudn't have been the UD9004.

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The audio is what will make the difference with this piece.

Yes, but almost certainly only if you are going to be using the analog outputs.

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Re-bagged Denon? I highly doubt it.

Assume you mean 're-badged'! But that is exactly what it is. Both Denon and Marantz are part of D&M Holdings and have the same curious limitations. I've compared the Denon with my current Oppo, and as a digital transport they are identical on Bluray, CD and DVD. The Denon is inferior on SACD. Seems like a no-brainer.

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Yes, but almost certainly only if you are going to be using the analog outputs.



Assume you mean 're-badged'! But that is exactly what it is. Both Denon and Marantz are part of D&M Holdings and have the same curious limitations. I've compared the Denon with my current Oppo, and as a digital transport they are identical on Bluray, CD and DVD. The Denon is inferior on SACD. Seems like a no-brainer.

You've done an A/B in-house comparison with the A1 and your Oppo and prefer the Oppo for SACD?
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You've done an A/B in-house comparison with the A1 and your Oppo and prefer the Oppo for SACD?

I have and I do.

A buddy of mine owns the A1; I own the Oppo. Ran both units via HDMI into my Meridan HD621/Meridian 861 combo. I detect no appreciable audio quality difference between the two players on Bluray, DVD or CD. On SACD, I slightly preferred the Oppo - although not night and day.

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