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post #181 of 8256 Old 03-28-2009, 06:07 PM
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I believe if you go to the Panasonic JP site and look at the owners manual for the BD-60 it also shows the BD-80, BD-601 and BD-605. The 605 includes the HDMI Cable. It looks identical to the 60.
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Costo customer service called today regarding an old rain check but I didn't get the model number. Visited a different Costo to get the model to look it up online but for the life of me couldn't find any "blu ray 605" on the Panny website. Thanks for confirming the model number. IIRC the rain check included a $50 discount. Already have a Sony 350 ($175 - thanks Dell!) but (just starting to research) will pick this up if a much better BR player and gift the Sony to a relative. Any quick recommendation? Thanks.

In case you didn't know, most of these stuff sold at Costco, TVs, DVD player, BD players, have Costco specific model numbers to separate them from normal stores like Best Buy so that you can't price match or cross return them.
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Panasonic now shows the BD60 on their website but it has some wrong information(eg DivX and ?) and no link to the new firmware:
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

I think they need to hire some AVS members to do their PR and marketing.

This is great!!! Buy a BD60, sue Panasonic to get DivX support, then convince them BD35 should also support DivX (simple firmware toggle) and I'll forever be grateful (ok, maybe only for a few months).
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FYI, BD60 is now available in Costco for $20 cheaper than BestBuy. The Costco model # is BD-605

According to panasonic.com, the only difference between BD60 and BD605 is that BD605 comes with an HDMI cable (no word on length), so in my book it's worth at least $10 more
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Not true. Reread moviegeek's post: "Most 1080p tv's accept 24Hz but only highend 1080p sets display it."



This is exactly what many 120Hz displays are doing. They convert 24fps to 60fps then interpolate (i.e. make up) frames to achieve 120Hz. Hence, artificial looking picture unpleasing to a mmovie purist's eye.

Not really true. I think 120Hz display that cannot display multiples of 24Hz in some mode (Auto Motion Plus (Samsung), True Motion (LG), Motion Enhancer (Sony) turned off) is in the minority. Again in default mode, most of those displays do convert 24fps to 60fps before upconverting to 120fps, but they usually have some means to defeat the initial step.

Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate

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I believe if you go to the Panasonic JP site and look at the owners manual for the BD-60 it also shows the BD-80, BD-601 and BD-605. The 605 includes the HDMI Cable. It looks identical to the 60.

same info on US panasonic.com site

so what is the BD601? No difference with BD60 according to operations manual.

If Costco.com sells 605, who sells 601?
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According to panasonic.com, the only difference between BD60 and BD605 is that BD605 comes with an HDMI cable (no word on length), so in my book it's worth at least $10 more

All BD/HD players sold by Costco come with HDMI cable. Probably $2/piece for the cost. Check out Monoprice.com. If you paid $10 or more, you over paid.
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Well, just picked up a BD60 today from BB and also got our first Blu-Ray movie - Bolt. I was disappointed to find Bolt not available in 3D, since we still have our Real3D glasses from when we saw Bolt in the theater.

Anyway, I hooked it up to our SP4805 480p projector, and found the picture and sound both much improved over my old LG SD-DVD player. I also tried Star Wars III and was pretty blown away by the picture quality. Makes me want a 1080p projector BADLY now.

I actually hooked up both my old LG player and the new BD60 to the projector at the same time, popped in identical copies of Star Wars IV into the players and got them both synchronized to the same position, and repeatedly switched between the LG and Panny on the projector inputs. The improvement in picture quality from the BD60 was readily visible. The wife also noticed the improvement immediately.

I am a bit disappointed with how slowly it loads disc content, but I'll probably get over it I suppose.
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Panasonic now shows the BD60 on their website but it has some wrong information(eg DivX and ?) and no link to the new firmware:
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

I think they need to hire some AVS members to do their PR and marketing.

Moviegeek this should answer your question for firmware update.

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/bd/index.html
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This is great!!! Buy a BD60, sue Panasonic to get DivX support, then convince them BD35 should also support DivX (simple firmware toggle) and I'll forever be grateful (ok, maybe only for a few months).

Yes, I am so mad that Panasonic did not put DivX. Shouldn't we sue them for this? I hate to return this player to Clutchfield when I receive some time midle of the week.
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Yes, I am so mad that Panasonic did not put DivX. Shouldn't we sue them for this? I hate to return this player to Clutchfield when I receive some time midle of the week.

You could use your computer to play Divx files.
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You could use your computer to play Divx files.

Well, I do but the bd60 for !!! when they say it support DviX!!!!!
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Does the BDP-60 have a setting for forced 4:2:2 output via HDMI?
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Here is the results of testing comparing the new Oppo 83 to the Sony PS3:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post16146938

Panasonic makes everything appear so easy. The BD-60 is the no-brainer choice!
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Yes, I am so mad that Panasonic did not put DivX. Shouldn't we sue them for this? I hate to return this player to Clutchfield when I receive some time midle of the week.

Maybe the players do support DivX, they just don't advertise it to avoid paying a licensing fee? I seem to recall some other BD players did the same thing: supported certain formats without advertising it.

Has anyone actually tried a DivX file? I've only seen reference to the manual here, not actual usage, IIRC.

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The Panasonic BD-60/80 System-On-a-Chip is called UniPhier (Universal Platform for High-quality Image Enhancing Revolution), is not only used in their Blu-ray players. Its used in displays too!

The result is perfect image processing including 1080i deinterlacing for TV broadcasts too. It quit interesting that Panasonic uses "Revolution" in its name. So the BD-35 observations were correct after all?

Just who uses the technology Panasonic will not say. There is a reason for that...
Considering their close relationship, I'd bet the UniPhier is in the current Pioneer Kuro! This explains perfectly why everyone sees so much natural detail. The industry's biggest top-secret is exposed!

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I was disappointed to find Bolt not available in 3D, since we still have our Real3D glasses from when we saw Bolt in the theater.

Real3D glasses are useless outside 3D cinemas.

Those 3D glasses use polarisation to separate left and right. The only way to use them in a home theatre system is if you have two projectors, polarize their outputs differently, somehow split the video signal left/right info, perfectly align both images on screen, etc. Quite an investment in time and money for very little material currently available.

3D @ home is either with:
- red/cyan glasses (color filter separation, aka anaglyph), or
- LCD shutter glasses but this requires a computer with 3D material or running special software to fake 3D from a DVD (DVD and blu-ray players can't do this) but most TVs don't support this (the only ones I know of that do support this are some Mitsubishi and Samsung models)

Panasonic is working towards 3D for blu-ray, but this will be a new standard that will require new players, and marketers are suggesting 2010 at the earliest. Read here and here and also the 3D thread.
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I saw this player at Costco for $279.99 and that includes an HDMI cable. It seems to have all of the features of the BD60, like amazon.com, blah blah blah. I guess this is just a version that costco will sell?

I believe they are the same since they share the same owner's manual.

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i just bought bd 60 which is pal system and i can conform that it play DIVX.
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i just bought bd 60 which is pal system and i can conform that it play DIVX.

You're in the UK?

DivX is enabled on the BD60 and BD35 sold in the UK, but not here in North America, where only the BD80 and BD55 support DivX. Don't know about elsewhere.
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Any one see the 80 in the wild yet???

The BD80 will start shipping to dealers in the U.S. starting around April 1st.
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no i live in middel east which is pal system
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Here is the results of testing comparing the new Oppo 83 to the Sony PS3:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post16146938

Panasonic makes everything appear so easy. The BD-60 is the no-brainer choice!

I can tell by some of your earlier posts that you have a certain bias against Oppo. I've come across another poster in another thread with the exact same bias. I respect the poster's assessment of the Oppo, but WHY did you feel a need to post that link in this thread? This is the Panasonic BD60 thread and this is exactly how threads go off topic. The subject of the Oppo would have probably never come up if you had not initiated it in the very 1st post. I really don't believe any prospective buyer is trying to decide between the Oppo and the Panasonic BD60. I also gather that you have no hands on experience with the Oppo. I own the Oppo and my time with it has been a pleasure. I read reviews and assessments for their technical views of the equipment, but I'm more concerned with real world assessments from those same reviews as well as the old eyeball test. Hopefully, we can get back on topic, because I'm in the market for a 2nd player and the Panasonic BD60 looks like it is up for the task.

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"Shouldn't we sue them for this?"

Huh? Sue them for not providing something they didn't say would be provided?

The decision to or to not provide DIVX has to do with the cost of licensing through DIVX and price points of players and how many people do or do not use DIVX media. If Panasonic said you'd have DIVX on the BD60 and they didn't provide it, ok, you'd have a point. DIVX is not supported and that is made clear on the product information for the US based models.

The target market and price points for the BD60, 35 for that matter, did not equal having DIVX support.

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The BD80 will start shipping to dealers in the U.S. starting around April 1st.

Any info about the BD-70? Yes, I know most of you don't care about VHS, but I really wouldn't mind having a BD-60 + VHS = BD-70.
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Look, there are a bunch of old family tapes, etc., and I'm not going to the hassle of converting them all to cd. And it would be more convenient to have a tape player in the Panny BR than finding an old separate box on Ebay. Provided, of course, that having the VHS player in the BD-70 doesn't in some way degrade the BD performance; but from what I hear the BD-70 is identical to the 60 except for the addition of the tape player.
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Moviegeek this should answer your question for firmware update.

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/bd/index.html


I know about the Japanese site but most people in North America don't.
I also think it's rediculous that we here in NA aren't able to play DivX on our BD35/60.
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I bought the Panasonic TH-50PZ85U a few weeks ago which I have read does the below. I was surprised because when I was buying it, I made sure it supported 24p which is does according to the docs. Then I found a review here http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/1008panapz85u/ which explained it in more detail.

The set displays sources up to 1080p/60p. Unlike Panasonic's previous sets, it produces a viewable image with 1080p/24 program material. But it converts any 24-fps input to 60 fps, by adding 3:2 pulldown prior to display. Any Blu-ray player does the same thing when you select 1080p rather than 1080p/24. (Most movies on Blu-ray Discs are 24 fps.) Whether the conversion happens in the set or in the player, it defeats the benefit of 24-fps sources (which can subtly smooth motion by eliminating the judder inherent in 3:2 pulldown).

Yeah, in the 2008 model line only the PZ800 and PZ850 models had a native 24Hz Cinema Mode. It displays the sigal at 48Hz, repeating frames, not interpolating them. Some people didn't like the flicker but your eyes adjust to it and it does make Blu-rays and DVDs look more cinematic. The 2009 models support 24p Cinema Mode at 96Kz eliminating the flicker but maintaining the native film reproduction.

Your TV (PZ80/PZ85) supports a 24p input but converts it internally to 60FPS. So you can choose 24p output to have the TV do the conversion or standard 60Hz output from the player and let the player do the conversion.

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