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Hello All,

If anyone is need of a region free bluray player:
http://www.momitsu.com/bdp_899.html

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Anybody know any thing about this player? I got an email today from a vendor claiming Holy Grail of Blu-ray players. I would really like something region free for Blu-ray as a secondary player.
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On the linked website there is no mention that the player is codefree.
Where did that info come from?
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Considering that BD region coding is strictly enforced by the BDA and even region free SD DVD is being enforced again on BD players, I highly doubt that the player is region free for either BD or SD DVD. Perhaps the OP has confused PAL/NTSC compatibility with region free - they are not the same.

EDIT: after Googling subject device, it appears to be produced and/or distributed in Hong Kong - I would bet the BDA will come down pretty hard if the player truly is region free for both BD and DVD - the BDA will likely revoke the BD license, making import of such devices into the US, for example, technically illegal, I believe.

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Considering that BD region coding is strictly enforced by the BDA and even region free SD DVD is being enforced again on BD players, I highly doubt that the player is region free for either BD or SD DVD. Perhaps the OP has confused PAL/NTSC compatibility with region free - they are not the same.

EDIT: after Googling subject device, it appears to be produced and/or distributed in Hong Kong - I would bet the BDA will come down pretty hard if the player truly is region free for both BD and DVD - the BDA will likely revoke the BD license, making import of such devices into the US, for example, technically illegal, I believe.

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Considering that BD region coding is strictly enforced by the BDA and even region free SD DVD is being enforced again on BD players, I highly doubt that the player is region free for either BD or SD DVD. Perhaps the OP has confused PAL/NTSC compatibility with region free - they are not the same.

EDIT: after Googling subject device, it appears to be produced and/or distributed in Hong Kong - I would bet the BDA will come down pretty hard if the player truly is region free for both BD and DVD - the BDA will likely revoke the BD license, making import of such devices into the US, for example, technically illegal, I believe.

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r u kidding? fleabay is loaded with region free BD players!
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ALL ABOUT THE MOMITSU BDP-899
The Momitsu BDP-899 is the only Blu-Ray player available that will play any region Blu-Ray disc, as well as play any region standard DVD, on an NTSC (USA format) TV.
If you're looking for an all-in-one device that will play nearly any disc available, this is your device. It also comes with a plethora of additional features not commonly found on Blu-Ray players, such as USB input and auxiliary A/V inputs.

BDP-899 Features

BD-Live Ready
BD-Live brings you the next generation of interactivity, allowing you to download and stream bonus content such as additional scenes, shorts, trailers, movie-based games, and more.
HDMI Deep Color
Deep Color reduces the posterization effect of the playback image.
Upconvert DVD for enhanced picture quality
Your current DVD will look even better than before thanks to video upconversion. Upconversion will increase the resolution of standard definition DVD to high definition up to 1080p over an HDMI connection. The picture will be less jagged and more realistic for a near high-definition experience.
Easy and simple connection to HDTV via HDMI
PIP
Some BD-video have the PIP (picture-in-picture) function which enables you to display the secondary video in the primary video. You can call up the secondary video by pressing [PIP] whenever the scene contains the secondary video.
Pop-up menu
Some BD-video have pop-up menu which is a navigation menu that can be called up and be operated on the TV screen without interrupting the playback.
Multi file type support
Playback Blu-Ray Disc, DVD, VCD, CD, MP3, MP4, HD files and JPEG Picture CD Media formats
USB 2.0
USB2.0 port for external devices such as Card Readers, USB Flash Drives, or USB Hard Disks.


UNIVERSAL FEATURES
Regions: 0
PAL-NTSC Converter
Correct PAL-NTSC Conversion
NTSC-PAL Converter
NTSC/PAL Output
RCE/REA Support
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Sounds interesting and the price is right:
http://www.hkflix.com/hardware/
Take a look at the price for the BD35.
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Sounds interesting and the price is right:
http://www.hkflix.com/hardware/
Take a look at the price for the BD35.

What will Oppo say? There argument is that this is not allow.
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Those units are after market modded for region free playback.

European BD players have the ability to be unlocked through specific IR commands (usually for DVD only, while some players support Region A and B switching).

No natively produced North American Blu-ray player has supported any form of out of box region unlocking. If Momitsu is selling their product direct from Hong Kong, then they are skirting BDA licensing regulations. This is very analogous to how Helios operated with their line of region free DVD players.

I give no stock to a company that has no phone number, no physical address, and produced only a blank java script window when you click "About Momitsu Technology Inc".
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What will Oppo say? There argument is that this is not allow.

OPPO opperates within the United States. If Momitsu is also selling and distributing from the United States, then you have an "argument" to have OPPO look into region restrictions.

If Momitsu is operating outside of the United States, then there is no weight to this player's abilities.
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The problem with Momitsu is that how long the player can last. Many still remember the short lifespan of Momitsu upscaling DVD player (region-free), one of the first upscaling DVD players.
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The problem with Momitsu is that how long the player can last. Many still remember the short lifespan of Momitsu upscaling DVD player (region-free), one of the first upscaling DVD players.

How long has the company been around for?
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OPPO opperates within the United States. If Momitsu is also selling and distributing from the United States, then you have an "argument" to have OPPO look into region restrictions.

If Momitsu is operating outside of the United States, then there is no weight to this player's abilities.

We will have to wait and see. I am sure companies will start test the water.
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LG did with their first Super Blu. That did not last long.
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I give no stock to a company that has no phone number, no physical address, and produced only a blank java script window when you click "About Momitsu Technology Inc".

Momitsu had some nice DVD players years ago. Especially the V880 was highly valued for its versatility

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I am well aware of the Momitsu legacy, but a legacy can only take you so far. The player has not been supported since 2004. We are several months into 2009, and they all of a sudden release the Blu-ray player. I will remain skeptical.
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How long has the company been around for?

See the link posted above on its DVD players.
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The problem with Momitsu is that how long the player can last. Many still remember the short lifespan of Momitsu upscaling DVD player (region-free), one of the first upscaling DVD players.

You mean their DVD player failed prematuredly, or was not on the market for very long?
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If the BDA decides to crack down on this region free player they can add the security certificate Momitsu is using to the list of revoked certificates and the player would then play no new BD releases unless Momitsu has figured out some way to defeat this security feature of BD.

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You mean their DVD player failed prematuredly, or was not on the market for very long?

Both. And it was mail order only direct from the maker. No retailers stock them IIRC.
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r u kidding? fleabay is loaded with region free BD players!

The LG BH200 can be made region free with a simple remote control hack. The only other players I have seen that are region free are made that way by an expensive hardware modification that voids the manufacturer's warranty. I have seen nothing that makes me believe this Momitsu player if it ever exists will be region free. The picture looks like a clone of the Memorex or Olevia player.

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I'm definitely interested in this once my HD DVD collection dies out. I remember buying a momitsu region-free DVD player long ago.

Perhaps the subject line of this thread should be changed to reflect the topic?

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I'm really surprised that there's not more interest in this player, especially with all the hullabaloo that followed the LG.

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I'm very interested in it, but cautious at the same time. I want to get some more user feedback and see how things play out with the BDA, firmware support, etc. But it's mighty tempting!
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jvbdigital.com is selling region-free kits for several Panasonic, Sony & Pioneer players. But, the Momitsu does look interesting. But, if you have Slysoft's AnyDVDHD, a region-free player isn't really recessary as you can watch the content on a media server or burn to a blank BD-RE. This is a gray area though...okay, maybe more black than gray . But, a region-free player is no different.

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DVDBeaver has review about the player.

Very interesting for us that really need region A and B players.

The price is way below that of usual hardware modified region free BR players. Seems that region is changeable via simple remote hack, the price would lend me to believe that the player is not modified in any way though would like to hear if anyone got it somewhere else than HKFlix.
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Apparently

It's a software crack, you enter a specific code (see the review over at dvdbeaver). You enter the region code for the BD you want to play.

I looked through the manual and it apparently also output 24 frames for DVD's (not sure though but the Film mode activates a 24 frames feature).

It plays AVI but isn't DivX certified.

No it won't have the all the nice features the Oppo BDP-83 does, but the region choosing feature, surely is what's missing on the Oppo.

Anyway, it sure does look interesting!

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jvbdigital.com is selling region-free kits for several Panasonic, Sony & Pioneer players. But, the Momitsu does look interesting. But, if you have Slysoft's AnyDVDHD, a region-free player isn't really recessary as you can watch the content on a media server or burn to a blank BD-RE. This is a gray area though...okay, maybe more black than gray . But, a region-free player is no different.

As far as I know there are no laws against owning and using a region free Blu-ray player or owning and using Blu-ray discs from other regions. In the US, I believe it is against the law to defeat digital copy protection and copy a commercial Blu-ray disc. So I would say a region free player is greatly different than copying Blu-ray discs by using Slysoft's AnyDVD.

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My curiosity got the better of me and I ordered this player. I received it last week, but have not had a chance to hook it up yet. Hopefully, I will get to it tomorrow. It does come with a sheet of paper instructing you how to change the region code via the remote. You can change the code for DVD, Blu-ray or both. There is no single region free setting, so each time you play a different region, it would need to be changed.
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