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post #271 of 3869 Old 04-17-2009, 11:13 PM
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Thank you for the useful info! I've been leaning towards the Pioneer 09FD, primarily for its audio section. But there is an aftermarket audio upgrade for the Oppo that seems pretty good, so that makes the decision more difficult. Also, as much as I love HD-SDI, some calibrators are reporting that the 09FD works so well with the 141FD (which is our display) that there's almost nothing for them to do, and the bit depth through the 09FD is very high.

From the way the EAP program votes are going, I may have a few more months to decide.

You're welcome. If you'd like to know more about the analog section on the 83 you can look at this post from the EAP thread. It contains links to other posts of reviews and impressions of the analog audio section including a link to an actual photo as well as more information on the DACs.

There's also joerod's review where he compares it to the Pioneer 09FD to the Oppo 83.
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I don't really know anything about the bdp-320, but I can guarantee it won't have all or most of the features of the BDP-83. So once again it comes down to what features you value most, and of those features, which player does the best job. That, and also weighing in price, support, ect...
Personally, I wouldn't buy any new Pioneer product right now until they could prove the ability to back their warranty through it's entire term.
Then there's the fact that they can't even get DTS HD/MA decoding into their current players, but yet it's also supposed to be a feature of the new players.
Once again, just my opinions.

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...until both products are out, you don't really know. But some people don't know that they don't know. Just be sure that you know that you don't know. Know?

Well, I know I don't REALLY "know", but we do learn from the past and present to help quantify the future... at least I do.

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Well, I know I don't REALLY "know", but we do learn from the past and present to help quantify the future... at least I do.

I'm just jerking you around. I think you're probably right about the 83.

Since I already have a player, I think I'm more inclined to wait and see before I buy my next player. Its a lot easier to be patient when you have a player that's working well enough.

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Does this sound familiar? Are we not happy to have Oppo's support?

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I don't know if anyone has experienced this, but with a couple standard DVD I've tried so far, the 09FD makes a popping / cracking sound when you skip forward to the next chapter. The connections are 09FD => HDMI => AVR => HDMI => TV. The AVR is off, so it's a pass-through. It could still be the AVR, but it's too much work for me to HDMI it straight to the TV.

Also, when I drop in Stargate standard dvd, as soon as chapter one starts, I press and it immediately plays the trailer.
I'm still having the same problems with popping / cracking with the latest firmware. It's also still having problems skipping chapters.
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I don't really know anything about the bdp-320, but I can guarantee it won't have all or most of the features of the BDP-83. So once again it comes down to what features you value most, and of those features, which player does the best job. That, and also weighing in price, support, ect...
Personally, I wouldn't buy any new Pioneer product right now until they could prove the ability to back their warranty through it's entire term.
Then there's the fact that they can't even get DTS HD/MA decoding into their current players, but yet it's also supposed to be a feature of the new players.
Once again, just my opinions.

I think your right on this one. The pioneer has 48 bit color display which I think is an overkill and I have no idea how effective the kuro link and if it will make any difference over a professional calibrated kuro.
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Can someone that has Slumdog Millionaire time the loading, its 3-4 minutes on other players
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Can someone that has Slumdog Millionaire time the loading, its 3-4 minutes on other players

I havn't got SM yet, but I've put a ton of movies in my player and havn't seen anything take longer than maybe 30 seconds.

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Can someone that has Slumdog Millionaire time the loading, its 3-4 minutes on other players

Until previews or movies
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Until previews or movies

Until previews, thanks if you could advise
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Can someone that has Slumdog Millionaire time the loading, its 3-4 minutes on other players

smarty will obtain and check it out for you. He can't resist an Oppo challenge.
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When the next Columbia House BOGO comes along, it will be mine ... and of coarse I will have to watch it on the BDP-83.

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Until previews, thanks if you could advise

55 sec for FBI warning
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55 sec for FBI warning

With BD-Live turned ON or OFF? You could try with it turned OFF, and it may go faster. Personally, I'd just keep it off until wanting to view BD-Live content, then turn it on. Having it on can slow things down. This is not a player bug, but a BD-Live bug.
OF coarse there's no guarantee of faster load times, but it can help with certain media sometimes.

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With BD-Live turned ON or OFF? You could try with it turned OFF, and it may go faster. Personally, I'd just keep it off until wanting to view BD-Live content, then turn it on. Having it on can slow things down. This is not a player bug, but a BD-Live bug.
OF coarse there's no guarantee of faster load times, but it can help with certain media sometimes.

That is with off.
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55 sec for FBI warning

Wow!
I dont know about Fox are doing with their rips but is this long for the OPPO?

thats pretty quick compared to Pioneers and Lgs

Thanks for doing that
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Wow!
I dont know about Fox are doing with their rips but is this long for the OPPO?

thats pretty quick compared to Pioneers and Lgs

Thanks for doing that

Some discs are faster.
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I would say almost all discs are faster... quite a bit faster.

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everunman,

Earlier today, I picked up a Panny 605 ($279) from Costco and a Pioneer 51 ($299) from BB (made in Japan, October 08 build), to test.

I rented Slumdog Millionaire and Appaloosa from Blockbuster tonight (I'll watch them tomorrow).

I don't have a lot of time tonight, but to get some quick load times, I loaded the discs in the open tray, pressed play and got these times, a few minutes ago (for those of you with an 83, please post the load times to these screens).

Slumdog Millionaire - To the red Attention screen:
Panny 605 = 1:40
Pioneer 51 = 2:36
Oppo 83 = ???

Appaloosa - To the FBI screen:
Panny 605 = 0:38
Pioneer 51 = 0:55
Oppo 83 = ???
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everunman,

Earlier today, I picked up a Panny 605 ($279) from Costco and a Pioneer 51 ($299) from BB (made in Japan, October 08 build), to test.

I rented Slumdog Millionaire and Appaloosa from Blockbuster tonight (I'll watch them tomorrow).

I don't have a lot of time tonight, but to get some quick load times, I loaded the discs in the open tray, pressed play and got these times, a few minutes ago (for those of you with an 83, please post the load times to these screens).

Slumdog Millionaire - To the red Attention screen:
Panny 605 = 1:40
Pioneer 51 = 2:36
Oppo 83 = ???

Appaloosa - To the FBI screen:
Panny 605 = 0:38
Pioneer 51 = 0:55
Oppo 83 = ???

slumdog 55 sec
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everunman,

Earlier today, I picked up a Panny 605 ($279) from Costco and a Pioneer 51 ($299) from BB (made in Japan, October 08 build), to test.

I rented Slumdog Millionaire and Appaloosa from Blockbuster tonight (I'll watch them tomorrow).

I don't have a lot of time tonight, but to get some quick load times, I loaded the discs in the open tray, pressed play and got these times, a few minutes ago (for those of you with an 83, please post the load times to these screens).

Slumdog Millionaire - To the red Attention screen:
Panny 605 = 1:40
Pioneer 51 = 2:36
Oppo 83 = ???

Appaloosa - To the FBI screen:
Panny 605 = 0:38
Pioneer 51 = 0:55
Oppo 83 = ???

with ethernet disconnected, i clocked 49 seconds for sdm on my 83.
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with ethernet disconnected, i clocked 49 seconds for sdm on my 83.

While tray is opened, as I hit the button, time started.
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smaster,

Are you interested in the Dune or the Oppo or just looking for a player that may compete with the Oppo? Your posts seem to indicate that the Dune is the player for you based on your needs. If this is so; why not just buy the Dune?

I already have 2 oppo players : 983H and 971H

But I'd like to have a support for HD video as well. I want to make sure that the video file that I wanna watch would be playable.
So, I'm just looking in quality vs. compatibility and overall features support (I don't care much about network support and internet connection capabilities).
Since they both in the same price sector I'd like to see which will be better bang for the buck. I do have 61" HDTV, so quality also matter. The question is how much quality is enough or excessive?
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I have a DV983H and a BD-P2500 and after looking and thinking a lot I'm just gonna keep them both because I don't care about or need sacd or dvd audio and both these players have upscaling dvds pretty much covered. The 83 would really be of no value to me.
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Sorry Larry. It's hard not to get passionate about this hobby we love so much. Effort for more civil conversation will be strived for in the future.

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Has anyone compared BD playback of the JVC XV-BP1 (Advertised 8 Sec. Load Times) to the Oppo 83?


Attachment 140317

JVC XV-BP1 MSRP: $299.95

BD-Live Ready Blu-ray Disc Player featuring HD Audio Bit-Stream Output, HDMI 1080/24p Playback, and x.v.Color(TM)/Deep Color

* DVD 1080/24p Playback
* Playable Media: BD-R/RE, DVD-Video/-R/-RW, R/ RW, CD, USB
* AVCHD/MP3/WMA/JPEG Playback
* BD Profile 2.0
* HDMI with x.v.Color(TM)/Deep Color


* DVD 1080/24p Playback
* Playable Media: BD-R/RE, DVD-Video/-R/-RW, R/ RW, CD, USB
* AVCHD/MP3/WMA/JPEG Playback
* BD Profile 2.0
* HDMI with x.v.Color(TM)/Deep Color
* Dolby Digital /Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Decoding
* BD Live Ready
* USB Host
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* Dolby Digital /Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Decoding



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System PAL/NTSC
BD Live(TM) Yes
Playable Media* [1]
BD-ROM / BD-RE / BD-R Yes
DVD-Video / DVD-R/-RW, +R/+RW Yes
BD-ROM Yes
BD-RE Yes
BD-R Yes
DVD-Video Yes
DVD-R Yes
DVD-RW (Video/VR) Yes
+RW / +R Yes/Yes
CD / CD-R/RW Yes/Yes
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MPEG-2 Yes
MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) Yes
VC-1 Yes
AVCHD Yes
JPEG Digital Still Yes
Playable Formats (Audio)
LPCM Yes
Dolby Digital / Dolby Digital+ Yes
Dolby TrueHD Yes
DTS Yes
DTS HD Yes
MPEG-1/-2 L2 Yes
MP3 Yes (PCM Only)
WMA Yes (PCM Only)
Trick Playback
Fast Play (Forward/Reverse) Yes (BD/DVD[VR]/CD)
Slow (Forward) Yes (BD/DVD[VR])
Skip Title/Track (BD/DVD[VR]/CD) ; Chapter (BD/DVD[VR] ; Time (DVD[VR])
Pause Yes (BD/DVD[VR]/CD)
Step (Forward) Yes (BD/DVD[VR])
Repeat Title/Track, Chapter, A-B, ALL
Last Condition Memory Yes (DVD[VR])
Resume/Stop Yes (DVD[VR])
Random Play Yes (CD-DA, MP3/WMA)
Book Marker / Book Marker Search Yes/Yes
JPEG Slideshow with Music Yes
Quick Loading Yes
Subtitle Still Yes
Progressive Scan Yes
VIDEO XV-BP1
Video D/A Converter 12-bit/148MHz
Noise Reduction Yes
VBI
WSS / CGMS-A / Closed Caption / Macrovision Yes
NTSC -- PAL Conversion Yes
Deep Color Yes
x.v.Color(TM) Yes
1080p Upscaling Yes
AUDIO XV-BP1
Audio D/A Converter 192kHz/24-bit
Dynamic Range Control Yes
TERMINALS XV-BP1
HDMI Digital Out (Audio/Video) Yes (Ver.1.3)
Video Out
Component Yes
Composite Yes
Audio Out
Analog 2ch Yes
Coaxial Digital Output Yes
Optical Digital Output Yes
USB Host* [3] Yes (Front)
Network (Ethernet) Yes
MISCELLANEOUS XV-BP1
On-Screen Display Yes
GUI (Graphical User Interface) Yes
On-Screen Language 3 Languages (Eng./ Fre./ Spa.)
HDMI
1080/24p Output Yes
Deep Color Yes
x.v.Color(TM) Yes
HBR Audio Bitstream Out Yes
Screen Saver Yes
Remote Control Yes
Auto Power Off Yes
GENERAL XV-BP1
Power Requirements AC 120V/60Hz
Power Consumption
Power On 26W
Standby Under 1W
Dimensions (W x H x D)
inches 16-15/16 x 2-5/16 x 10
mm 430 x 58 x 253
Weight
lbs. 6.2
kg 2.8


[1] Notice: [About DualDisc] The non-DVD side of a DualDisc may not be playable on JVC products. Please note that the user takes full responsibility for the use of DualDisc, and JVC is not liable for any resulting damage.
[2] Plays all versions of DivX(R) video (including DivX(R) 6) with standard playback of DivX(R) media files
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I don't like banning people from threads and after a couple of minutes I "undid" them. But that doesn't mean it will play out that way next time (there's always a next time at AVS). The posts wandered away from the players to the companies and bickering etc which starts going way too subjective and not the intent of the thread.

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