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So the general concensus seems to be that the Oppo isn't that much different from other players when it comes to Blu-Ray playback?

The general forum consensus is that all Blu-ray players are very similar in image quality for 1080p24 Blu-ray sources. This includes the OPPO.

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Where it sets itself apart, though, is in other categories such as upconversion, audio options, loading speed, zooming in, and various other categories (whose importance varies from user to user). Is this correct?

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Currently I have a PS3 and a Denon 5805MK2. As I understand it, it's typical for the LFE level to be 10db down when the player converts the signal to LPCM and sends it to the receiver via HDMI. The receiver is then supposed to boost the LFE level by 10db. However, some receivers don't recognize this function and fail to apply the boost. Then is known as the "LFE bug".

I have discovered that my 5805 has the "bug" and I have no option other than to use the bitstream output. Of course if I do that I'm losing most of the benefit the of advanced audio options.

I'm considering the Oppo BDP-83 to replace the PS3. Does it have the ability to boost just the LFE signal so I can avoid my receivers inability to deal with this problem?
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May not be the general consensus...but it is mine! Although it should be noted that the analog outputs for cd playback are very very good as well. Once again, that may matter to you, it may not!
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Chris,

I respect and appreciate your input.

Could you please comment on Stacy Spear's assertion that the 83 produces a cleaner/clearer BD image.

Are you seeing this in your setup and if not, could your projector or other electronics be cleaning it up?

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Chris,

I respect and appreciate your input.

Could you please comment on Stacy Spear's assertion that the 83 produces a cleaner/clearer BD image.

Are you seeing this in your setup and if not, could your projector or other electronics be cleaning it up?

First of all if Stacy says it produces a cleaner/clearer image, then I believe it does! Stacy has probably forgotten more about blu-ray stuff than I will ever even KNOW. What I am saying is that the images are all very very close to each other, and of course, it will depend on your display device ultimately. My system is not inexpensive, but it is not a 26" sylvania either...
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I'm looking forward to winston and CCONKLIN's reviews of the new Pio v. Oppo. Do you guys have Kuro displays, by any chance? I'm wondering if this "Kuro link" feature is just hype. If it is, I'll probably get the Oppo. Otherwise, I might get the Pio.

Do you think you guys will have a review before Monday, May 4?
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my pioneer player will be here toward the end of next week. I have a krp500m on order but will probably do all of my testing on my main system. (pioneer rs2 clone projector and 123" silverstar screen". I expect blu ray playback will be close but I fully expect the Opps to "kill" the pioneer on standard def dvd's. :-)
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PS I plan on keeping the pioneer in the bedroom system due to the nice size barring any horrible video anomalies...(72" carada screen and Epson pro-cinema 1080 projector)
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my pioneer player will be here toward the end of next week. I have a krp500m on order but will probably do all of my testing on my main system. (pioneer rs2 clone projector and 123" silverstar screen". I expect blu ray playback will be close but I fully expect the Opps to "kill" the pioneer on standard def dvd's. :-)
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PS I plan on keeping the pioneer in the bedroom system due to the nice size barring any horrible video anomalies...(72" carada screen and Epson pro-cinema 1080 projector)

Chris,

I'm eager to hear your findings.

I thought the OPPO was better than my Pioneer 51 regarding SD dvd's
on my measly 60" PRO-151.

From what I gathered around here at AVS, the larger the screen the
more apparent the differences are.

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Is there something you would like to share with the rest of the class Chris?

Sorry, I did not bring enough bubble gum for everyone....

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sorry if I'm late to the party but....
When does this particular piece of unobtanium ship?
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sorry if I'm late to the party but....
When does this particular piece of unobtanium ship?

Shipping today to people who signed up early. General availability in May.

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I'm really interested in the Oppo, but the lack of wi-fi is a real disappointment. How does the Oppo compare to LG's latest offering the BD390 in regards to load times?
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I'm really interested in the Oppo, but the lack of wi-fi is a real disappointment. How does the Oppo compare to LG's latest offering the BD390 in regards to load times?

Putting the Oppo on a wifi network is easy. Read the FAQ.

I've got my Oppo on my Apple Airport wifi using an Airport Express as the wifi access point device.
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The general forum consensus is that all Blu-ray players are very similar in image quality for 1080p24 Blu-ray sources.

One thing that is going to set the players apart is the ability to force a specific color space on output, like the OPPO does. The Pioneer BDP-09FD also offers this.

Why is this key? An upcoming article will explain this in detail. You can find our articles here: http://www.spearsandmunsil.com/articles.html We just published our first, how to set brightness. Once we explain contrast, color/tint and sharpness, we will explain how to chose the best color space output. I wanted to start with that article, but choosing the right color space requires you to set the other controls first.

The deep color option on the OPPO is also not a gimmick. If you can, you should use 36 or 30-bit output. The ABT2010s native output is 12-bit. If you do any processing on the image, you want to set the highest bitdepth output that your display supports.
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One thing that is going to set the players apart is the ability to force a specific color space on output, like the OPPO does. The Pioneer BDP-09FD also offers this.

Are they the only 2 players currenlty able? Are there more things that will set blu ray play back apart? Could u point to any other articles? thanks
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Good thing I have both players!

Is that really good or less money in your pocket?
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One thing that is going to set the players apart is the ability to force a specific color space on output, like the OPPO does. The Pioneer BDP-09FD also offers this.

Why is this key? An upcoming article will explain this in detail. You can find our articles here: http://www.spearsandmunsil.com/articles.html We just published our first, how to set brightness. Once we explain contrast, color/tint and sharpness, we will explain how to chose the best color space output. I wanted to start with that article, but choosing the right color space requires you to set the other controls first.

The deep color option on the OPPO is also not a gimmick. If you can, you should use 36 or 30-bit output. The ABT2010s native output is 12-bit. If you do any processing on the image, you want to set the highest bitdepth output that your display supports.

What date is the up coming article?
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Good thing I have both players!

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Are they the only 2 players currenlty able?

I don't know. I just received the BDP-S5000ES and will look at it this weekend.

Panasonic DMP-BD55 - No.
PS3 - No.

When I say no, I mean you can't select between all three.

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Are there more things that will set blu ray play back apart?

Overall or video wise? Different people have different needs for players. I remember just how important a time remaining display was for many. I did not care about it at the time. I use it all the time on my TiVo's. Some things that set BD players apart:

1. Load Speed
2. BD-Live capable
3. Ability to turn off BD-Live on BD-Live capable player
4. Native / Direct mode (ie output the resolution on the disc vs. forced to a fixed resolution and frame rate)
5. Horizontal and Vertical chroma resolution
6. Ability to pass DTS-HD MA / TrueHD bitstreams
7. Deinterlacing of non-progressive content. (guess that would be interlaced. )
8. Amount of internal memory for BD-Live
9. I am sure I could go on.

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Could u point to any other articles? thanks

From us or others? The link I provided includes two new articles that we just published as well as links to articles we wrote for Secrets of Home Theater many years ago.

We are going to publish a new article every few weeks. (no fixed schedule) In the works:

1. How to set contrast
2. How to set color and tint
3. How to set sharpness
4. How to choose the best color space (This is the one that will open a few eyes.)

That is the short list. We may also publish an indepth description for each pattern on the disc.
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sspears, Could this color space be added in a firmware update for some players or is this more of a hardware issue? or both? thanks
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Good thing I have both players!

Man, I've been toying with the idea of buying both players as well. I can't seem to decide on one or the other. I need therapy!
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1. Load Speed
2. BD-Live capable
3. Ability to turn off BD-Live on BD-Live capable player
4. Native / Direct mode (ie output the resolution on the disc vs. forced to a fixed resolution and frame rate)
5. Horizontal and Vertical chroma resolution
6. Ability to pass DTS-HD MA / TrueHD bitstreams
7. Deinterlacing of non-progressive content. (guess that would be interlaced. )
8. Amount of internal memory for BD-Live
9. I am sure I could go on.

10. Upconversion to deep color.
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We are going to publish a new article every few weeks. (no fixed schedule) In the works:

1. How to set contrast
2. How to set color and tint
3. How to set sharpness
4. How to choose the best color space (This is the one that will open a few eyes.)

It would be super_duper if you could go ahead and PM me #4 right now.
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Just a note, the Pioneer 51/05 have an hdmi color space option too.

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It would be super_duper if you could go ahead and PM me #4 right now.
Thanks much.

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sspears, Could this color space be added in a firmware update for some players or is this more of a hardware issue? or both? thanks

I am talking with at least one CE company about adding it to their player as a user option. It is unclear if it would be for the current generations or future.

Some CE companies like to limit the choices in a player to make it simple for the user.

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Just a note, the Pioneer 51/05 have an hdmi color space option too.

Someone should start a new thread that lists the players and color space options available. Maybe even make it a sticky.
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Man, I've been toying with the idea of buying both players as well. I can't seem to decide on one or the other. I need therapy!

You need a Netflix for players service.
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Some CE companies like to limit the choices in a player to make it simple for the user.

Or at least simpler for their support staff. Fewer choices = fewer calls = more profit.
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I use my PS3 for all my Blu-rays, but I'm interested in the BDP-83 as I have a DV-980H, and love it.

Anyway, one thing about the PS3 that bugs me is that 480i/p content on a Blu-ray is not upscaled to 1080p. I don't like having my PS3 adjust resolution like that each time.

I have checked the FAQs for the BDP-83, and did not find this question. Does the BDP-83 upscale 480i/p content on a Blu-ray to 1080p?
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