Originally Posted by millerwill
I have a -83 and probably will be keeping it. But I did find Kage's review useful and relevant. Sure, the Oppo was a much larger feature set than the others he mentioned, but the point is that many people, such as me, are not at all interested in many of these features. (The discussion on the main Oppo thread seems to be totally dominated by people doing analog audio, SACD, etc.--everything EXCEPT BD and dvd upconversion, and hidef audio, all simply via HDMI.)
The things that makes we stay with the 83 are its superior dvd upconversion, speed and reliability, and outstanding customer support and confidence in timely upgrade support--not the wide 'feature set'. (Essentially all the players do a good job with BD and hidef audio, all over HDMI.)
You make good points here.
However, I feel that his comparisons are full of "holes" and errors... as well as bias too.
Seems to me that he chose to pick out certain flaws of one player (like a slightly loose power cable
), and compare it to other players to boost those players' abilities.
Not to mention that some of the comparisons were not only not done side_by_side, but from long term memory.
There's no explenation of how the display or sound was calibrated, what tools and software/hardware were used for calibration, viewing environment, ect..., ect..., ect...
The graininess he was seeing in the picture, in undoubtedly from the ability of the player to produce a better PQ over the others, yet he chose to twist that into a negative in order to justify the purchase of a different player.
Buy the OPPO, don't buy the OPPO, doesn't matter to me... but to criticize "on a curve" is just not right, and everyone who reads it is not deserving of exposure to such tripe.
The positive things you describe about the BDP-83 are all true, and IMO, even without useing the full feature set of the player, it is still worth the money for the very reasons you give. Maybe not to all people, especially when shopping on a tight budget, but for those that can afford it, it is certainly true. Obviously the poster of the review can not justify the expense of the OPPO for his personal needs.
Also in regard to the last sentence of your post...
This is true on one level, but on another level, reliability and service/support go hand in hand. If firmware is flakey or out of date, then how quickly and efficiently are other OEMs up to fixing any problems. Some are pretty good, and some are horrible. OPPO is the best IMO.
I think you are seeing lots of "analog" posts on the other OPPO thread because of the advanced capabilities of the player... lot's of people are buying it because of theat feature among others.
Blu-ray playback and decoding is VERY solid in the unit right now, so there is not much talk of it regarding setup questions and inquiries.
People are just watching movies and enjoying those features.
With all of the differnt gear out there, and with many multichannel analog setups being very complicated, there's bound to be more talk about it.
Personally I don't use that feature, so I kind of get tired of reading about it too. As active as the thread is, and will be for quite some time, I feel it would probably be best to have 2-3 different owners threads for the BDP-83.
Maybe one for analog audio, one for hi-res audio playbck, and then a main thread for eveything else OPPO.