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winston9332's Avatar winston9332 09:07 AM 05-22-2009
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23Fd on its way...never had the 320.

CD

please post load times when you get around to testing it. i will post them in the first post/faq area.

winston9332's Avatar winston9332 09:17 AM 05-22-2009
Any 320 or 23 owners play this disc? It will not play on the 51 or 05 (possibly on any non-2.0 player). If more discs come out that require a profile 2.0 player, this could be a strong case for the 320 over the 51 (or any other profile 1.1 player).
Kage's Avatar Kage 09:46 AM 05-22-2009
Can someone please post internal pictures of the 320?
svphile's Avatar svphile 11:10 AM 05-22-2009
Is the 23fd out yet?
Rino13's Avatar Rino13 12:34 PM 05-22-2009
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Is the 23fd out yet?

yes i picked mine up yesterday. I love this player so far.
Q of BanditZ's Avatar Q of BanditZ 12:42 PM 05-22-2009
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yes i picked mine up yesterday. I love this player so far.

Hopefully you can write back and tell us more about it before long.
iserum's Avatar iserum 02:08 PM 05-22-2009
BB has 320 on their web site, it is not available at stores yet, i still have two weeks to return my BDP-51FD so far i am happy with it, i really don't need BD live nor i do FW update via ethernet, i always trust disc update.

i am reading both these threads for Pioneer players, my conclusion so far is 320 is not too better than 51FD, so if BD live is not desireable am i correct to stick to BDP-51FD. please correct me if i am wrong, DTS MA is an issue but it guess a FW is coming for 51FD, 320 do it out of the box.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 02:29 PM 05-22-2009
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BB has 320 on their web site, it is not available at stores yet, i still have two weeks to return my BDP-51FD so far i am happy with it, i really don't need BD live nor i do FW update via ethernet, i always trust disc update.

i am reading both these threads for Pioneer players, my conclusion so far is 320 is not too better than 51FD, so if BD live is not desireable am i correct to stick to BDP-51FD. please correct me if i am wrong, DTS MA is an issue but it guess a FW is coming for 51FD, 320 do it out of the box.

Keep in mind some discs are only playable on profile 2.0 players (ie terminator skynet) and the 320 will be the current model and might garner more attention for firmware as pioneer tries to sell it as the latest model. in terms of pq, they are identical.
Kage's Avatar Kage 02:34 PM 05-22-2009
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BB has 320 on their web site, it is not available at stores yet, i still have two weeks to return my BDP-51FD so far i am happy with it, i really don't need BD live nor i do FW update via ethernet, i always trust disc update.

i am reading both these threads for Pioneer players, my conclusion so far is 320 is not too better than 51FD, so if BD live is not desireable am i correct to stick to BDP-51FD. please correct me if i am wrong, DTS MA is an issue but it guess a FW is coming for 51FD, 320 do it out of the box.

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Keep in mind some discs are only playable on profile 2.0 players (ie terminator skynet) and the 320 will be the current model and might garner more attention for firmware as pioneer tries to sell it as the latest model. in terms of pq, they are identical.

The 320 has more buffer memory than the 51FD that a future firmware update may help to increase its (320) speed in loading times and other basic functions.
danoeltico's Avatar danoeltico 03:08 PM 05-22-2009
I'm picking up a 23FD tomorrow from my local HT store to audition over the long weekend. Has anyone messed with the settings of this player yet? I don't have any BDs, so I'm going to rent a few or might pick a few up if it isn't going to be that much more. Any suggestions as to what a good reference disk might be? I plan to really run it through the paces with my favorite CDs and SD DVDs. One of the best players I've seen so for with SD DVD is the Cary Audio DVD-6, which I've auditioned as well, so I want to see how the 23FD does compared to that (from what I can remember) I really wanted to audition the 09FD but it is set up in a dedicated theater room and was told I couldn't borrow it, but another store said that they would have one in, in the up coming weeks.

My system is a Pioneer Pro-1150HD, Vanderseen 2CE, VCC-1, VMS-1, Denon AVR-3805, and my weakness is my source (hence the audition). I'll let everyone know my thoughts for what they are worth after three days of watching and listening as the wife will be gone for most of the weekend.
Charles R's Avatar Charles R 03:21 PM 05-22-2009
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The 320 has more buffer memory than the 51FD that a future firmware update may help to increase its (320) speed in loading times and other basic functions.

I think they will be lucky just to keep up with the latest disc issues regarding firmware updates. So I wouldn't look for much... it hasn't helped the 09FD. Plus being 2.0 just might slow it down over time not speed it up.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 07:58 AM 05-23-2009
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I'm picking up a 23FD tomorrow from my local HT store to audition over the long weekend. Has anyone messed with the settings of this player yet? I don't have any BDs, so I'm going to rent a few or might pick a few up if it isn't going to be that much more. Any suggestions as to what a good reference disk might be? I plan to really run it through the paces with my favorite CDs and SD DVDs. One of the best players I've seen so for with SD DVD is the Cary Audio DVD-6, which I've auditioned as well, so I want to see how the 23FD does compared to that (from what I can remember) I really wanted to audition the 09FD but it is set up in a dedicated theater room and was told I couldn't borrow it, but another store said that they would have one in, in the up coming weeks.

My system is a Pioneer Pro-1150HD, Vanderseen 2CE, VCC-1, VMS-1, Denon AVR-3805, and my weakness is my source (hence the audition). I'll let everyone know my thoughts for what they are worth after three days of watching and listening as the wife will be gone for most of the weekend.

If you have a chance, please time normal operations (ie power on, disc load times, hitting eject when cold, etc). Thanks!
joerod's Avatar joerod 08:19 AM 05-23-2009
I have both but sadly since my VW200 is in Laredo I can't really do a "serious" review or comparison. I will be playing with it on my new Panny 50" plasma set up but will hold off on any serious comments until late next week.
Q of BanditZ's Avatar Q of BanditZ 08:21 AM 05-23-2009
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I have both but sadly since my VW200 is in Laredo I can't really do a "serious" review or comparison. I will be playing with it on my new Panny 50" plasma set up but will hold off on any serious comments until late next week.

Feel free to fire off whatever you want in the mean time, please.
joerod's Avatar joerod 12:24 PM 05-23-2009
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Feel free to fire off whatever you want in the mean time, please.

Will do.
ciccio250's Avatar ciccio250 12:44 PM 05-23-2009
Thanks Winston for starting up this forum, I just got my first bluray the 320...I went to put in my first bluray cloverfield and it said can not play took disc out cleaned the disc put back in and it worked, was happy about that, do you usaully have to clean them before playing? I was wondering how do you check to see what firmware you have? Well I am sure I will have some question in the future but for now I will try to enjoy my player...by the way the kuro link seems to be working just fine with my kuro 5020. Thanks again Winston for your time and review of this player so far I'm glad I bought it.

Have a nice weekend!!!!

ciccio
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 03:54 PM 05-23-2009
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Thanks Winston for starting up this forum, I just got my first bluray the 320...I went to put in my first bluray cloverfield and it said can not play took disc out cleaned the disc put back in and it worked, was happy about that, do you usaully have to clean them before playing? I was wondering how do you check to see what firmware you have? Well I am sure I will have some question in the future but for now I will try to enjoy my player...by the way the kuro link seems to be working just fine with my kuro 5020. Thanks again Winston for your time and review of this player so far I'm glad I bought it.

Have a nice weekend!!!!

ciccio

Rental discs often have to be cleaned. One of the charming features of blu ray is the lasers tend to be more sensitive to dust. I had a similar thing happen with a netflix rental last night. Look at it as the 21st century version of blowing on the game cartridge of an old nintendo.

Your firmware is within the start up menu when playback is stopped. Go to update information beneath initial setup and it will show the firmware on the bottom. Mine is 3.04 and there have been no updates I am aware of.
Kage's Avatar Kage 05:11 PM 05-23-2009
Within the past few days of usage, I really like the 320 and I haven't had a single playback problem. I like using the professional picture mode, it makes the picture quality more natural with vibrant color along with deeper blacks. I'd recommend this player over the blu-ray players within the same price range due to its dvd performance, top notch HD pq, excellent analog audio, and excellent build quality in its price range.
tb33's Avatar tb33 06:05 PM 05-23-2009
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Within the past few days of usage, I really like the 320 and I haven't had a single playback problem. I like using the professional picture mode, it makes the picture quality more natural with vibrant color along with deeper blacks. I'd recommend this player over the blu-ray players within the same price range due to its dvd performance, top notch HD pq, excellent analog audio, and excellent build quality in its price range.

+1 This machine rocks.
joerod's Avatar joerod 07:07 PM 05-23-2009
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+1 This machine rocks.

I agree.
Rino13's Avatar Rino13 11:01 PM 05-23-2009
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I agree.

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+1 This machine rocks.

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Within the past few days of usage, I really like the 320 and I haven't had a single playback problem. I like using the professional picture mode, it makes the picture quality more natural with vibrant color along with deeper blacks. I'd recommend this player over the blu-ray players within the same price range due to its dvd performance, top notch HD pq, excellent analog audio, and excellent build quality in its price range.

I am really loving my 23fd so far also. PQ to my eyes seems a little better then the 51fd I had.
kemitchell's Avatar kemitchell 11:13 PM 05-23-2009
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PQ to my eyes seems a little better then the 51fd I had.

Really? With BD or SD, and what discs have you tried?
cwt's Avatar cwt 11:59 PM 05-23-2009
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I agree.

Just to clarify one thing Joe for those considering the 320 or 51 ; the preliminary manual for the 320 I read lists delays for the multi analog outs bass management ; does it have these ?

The 51 is getting the 50/80hz etc x over settings next firmware but the delays were conspicuosly absent
danoeltico's Avatar danoeltico 02:33 AM 05-24-2009
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If you have a chance, please time normal operations (ie power on, disc load times, hitting eject when cold, etc). Thanks!

Set up wasn't too bad, but took me a while to get everything dialed in. I've calibrated my speaker output levels previously with a sound meter, so I didn't touch the sound levels really at all, but did take a listen during the initial setup process.

Dark Night BD Load Times:
42 seconds to FBI Warning
55 seconds to WB Intro screen
76 seconds to start of movie

Matrix SD DVD load time:
31 seconds (repeated twice)

CD load time: Buena Vista Social Club 18 seconds

I don't have any cold eject or power on times...I'll get those tomorrow. I've had it one since I got home with it so over 12.5 hours now. The unit isn't even warm to the touch after being on for that long.

My PRO-1150HD hasn't been ISF calibrated, but I've taken D-Nice's settings for the TV, and have used the THX calibration setup from Finding Nemo on both units BDP-23FD and my Samsung to make sure they are on the same page.

I've been running my Samsung DVD-HD841 (which is a 5 year old up scaling DVD player) through component (Transparent Reference Video) cables to my Pro-1150HD in native 480i and have been pretty happy with the PQ, but have felt like I could do better with SD DVD and CD playback. My SD DVD thoughts are still up in the air, but after 3 hours of watching only a few chapters from Finding Nemo it is still a toss up as to which is better. My eyes are telling me that there appears to be more detail in the native resolution image from my Samsung then from the Pioneer, while the black levels seem to be much better on the Pioneer (connected directly to the display with Transparent High Performance HDMI cable). I plan on trying to try mess with the settings more on the BDP-23FD to optimize the picture.

I rented a few BD from Blockbuster (300, Dark Knight, Casino Royal) and only really watched through the Dark Knight. I've never owned a BDP so I don't really have the ability to perform any comparison to other players, but the PQ seems pretty good as you would expect.

CD playback so far has been much better then anything I've heard on my Samsung, with pretty good depth and spacing. I plan on doing a lot more listening on Monday, so I'll add some more comments then. I did take some time to listen to parts of Diana Krall's Christmas songs, Winter Wonderland and the bass sounded very clean. Allison Kraus Loneliness Runs Both Ways was very nice with good depth and a broad sound field. And Miles Davis's Kind of Blue reminded me why I purchased me Vandersteen 2CE's in the first place. So far I'm real happy with the CD playback.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 08:04 AM 05-24-2009
Now we need an AV junkie to compare the 32FD to the oppo and to the 320 itself. After nearly a month with the 320, I have had trouble free operation. It seems Pioneer successfully worked a lot of the bugs out of the 51 in their second generation (in-house) model. With a faster loading firmware update, this player would give a lot of more expensive players a run for their money.
joerod's Avatar joerod 08:16 AM 05-24-2009
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Now we need an AV junkie to compare the 32FD to the oppo and to the 320 itself. After nearly a month with the 320, I have had trouble free operation. It seems Pioneer successfully worked a lot of the bugs out of the 51 in their second generation (in-house) model. With a faster loading firmware update, this player would give a lot of more expensive players a run for their money.

Already ahead of you.
Rino13's Avatar Rino13 08:19 AM 05-24-2009
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Really? With BD or SD, and what discs have you tried?

Have not tried any sd (dont really watch any DVDs anymore) but BDs I tried are Troy, Kindom of Heaven, Underworld, Dark knight
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 08:21 AM 05-24-2009
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Already ahead of you.

joerod, are you testing the 23FD and the 320? Initial impressions?
Q of BanditZ's Avatar Q of BanditZ 08:29 AM 05-24-2009
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+1 This machine rocks.

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I agree.

Interesting.

Considering the plethora of gear you test and go through Joe...that's some high praise right there.
kemitchell's Avatar kemitchell 10:54 AM 05-24-2009
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Have not tried any sd (dont really watch any DVDs anymore) but BDs I tried are Troy, Kindom of Heaven, Underworld, Dark knight

Thanks.

I would have assumed that BD playback over HDMI with the same settings would have been identical between the two players. Wonder what the 23 does that's different?
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