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post #181 of 6408 Old 05-07-2009, 06:05 AM
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You need to press '1' on the number pad area not on the input list area (this got me the first time).


LOL, yep. There is my problem right there

Works good now! Thanks for the help
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Does anyone know if the 120 uses the same SOC chip as the 320/23/51/05 or is it a sharp clone?

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Pioneer plans on forming a joint venture with Sharp in the optical disc business by October of 2009. I was hoping that Sharp was going to use the Pioneer design. If it looks like a Sharp clone to you, then it obviously means that Pioneer plans to use Sharp's design. Bummer! If that's the case, wouldn't that be a step down? Isn't Sharp's design more budget-like quality than Pioneer? If this is any indication and you need a true Pioneer player, I'd hurry up and get one before they disappear! Another thing I don't like about the 120 is the lack of audio and video adjustments. Inotherwords, you'd be stuck with what you got. On the contrary, the manual to the BDP-120 does mention something about quick startup. So I wonder if it uses the MediaTek like the Oppo?
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If you are using HDMI, I would recommend at least the BDP-320. If you plan on going totally analog, I would recommend at least the BDP-51FD, BDP-05FD, and if you can aford it, the BDP-09FD! I know I can't aford the 09. So if it was up to me, I'd probibly stay between the 51 and 05 so I can have the best of digital and analog. Aren't the Wolfson DACs better than the Burr Brown PCM1742 in the 320 and 23FD?
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Does anyone know if the 120 uses the same SOC chip as the 320/23/51/05 or is it a sharp clone?

I looked at all three new Pioneers and the current Sharp products and I really don't see any resemblence.

However the reason it may not have the Burr Brown DACs on the 120 is that it doesn't decode much. Only L/R analogs period.
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I'm trying to choose the first Blu-Ray for me. Is there a justifiable reason of $200 difference between 320 and 23FD?

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Pioneer plans on forming a joint venture with Sharp in the optical disc business by October of 2009. I was hoping that Sharp was going to use the Pioneer design. If it looks like a Sharp clone to you, then it obviously means that Pioneer plans to use Sharp's design. Bummer! If that's the case, wouldn't that be a step down? Isn't Sharp's design more budget-like quality than Pioneer? If this is any indication and you need a true Pioneer player, I'd hurry up and get one before they disappear! Another thing I don't like about the 120 is the lack of audio and video adjustments. Inotherwords, you'd be stuck with what you got. On the contrary, the manual to the BDP-120 does mention something about quick startup. So I wonder if it uses the MediaTek like the Oppo?

Definitely aware of the sharp/pio jv, but cannot tell if the 120 uses the soc chip or some sharp junk. the quickstart reference lends me believe the latter is true - the 21/22 have a similar feature.
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Definitely aware of the sharp/pio jv, but cannot tell if the 120 uses the soc chip or some sharp junk. the quickstart reference lends me believe the latter is true - the 21/22 have a similar feature.

To tell you the truth, this whole thing about the Pioneer/Sharp joint venture has me a little disappointed and scared. Before I found out about it, thinking that Pioneer would always make their own players, I originally planned on waiting for them to release a MediaTek Blu-ray player that could do everything the MediaTek-based Pioneer Elite DV-58AV SD DVD/DVD-A/SACD/DivX player could do, with the addition of Blu-ray, 7.1 analog outs, USB, and Black Setup (0 IRE/7.5 IRE). I know the Oppo BDP-83 will play everything you throw at it in its native format, but I don't think its analog section is as good as Pioneer, and they have no plans on adding switchable black level. I know the new Denon DVD-A1UDCI would satisfy my demands, but for $4500 ... I don't think so! So if Pioneer stops designing their own players, I don't know whose players I should have my heart set on at this time.
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Been reading the manuals of the 120 and the sharp 21 - the layout of the home menu is identical save different icons. I really think the 120 is just a re-badged sharp 22. i would love to hear walkamo or a pioneer guy disprove my theory

Sharp 22 Dimensions:
17 x 10.2 x 2.3 inches
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W x H x D: 16-9/16 x 2-15/16 x 10-9/16 inches

Sharp BDHP22U Blu-ray Disc Player
Full HD 1080p/24 fps video output
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Been reading the manuals of the 120 and the sharp 21 - the layout of the home menu is identical save different icons. I really think the 120 is just a re-badged sharp 22. i would love to hear walkamo or a pioneer guy disprove my theory

So it looks like my fears in post 188 are coming true. Whose players should I have my heart set on now!
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So it looks like my fears in post 188 are coming true. Whose players should I have my heart set on now!

to keep us on topic, i started a thread addressing the mysterious similarities b/w the 120 and the sharp 22: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post16420734
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I'm comparing 320 and 23... Not sure the step up features of the Elite are worth $200.

RS-232 port and aluminum front panel are not important to me. Seems like they both have KURO link (different sources have different opinions on this though).

Other than that, the only difference I can see is PQLS for Jitter-Free 2-Channel Music Playback vs. Multi-Channel Playback. Is this correct? How important is this?

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to keep us on topic, i started a thread addressing the mysterious similarities b/w the 120 and the sharp 22: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post16420734

Nevermind - my thread got censored for the second time. I guess some folks at avs aren't really thrilled about my theory.
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I'm comparing 320 and 23... Not sure the step up features of the Elite are worth $200.

RS-232 port and aluminum front panel are not important to me. Seems like they both have KURO link (different sources have different opinions on this though).

Other than that, the only difference I can see is PQLS for Jitter-Free 2-Channel Music Playback vs. Multi-Channel Playback. Is this correct? How important is this?

Also a jitter reduction circuit on the HDMI port (similiar to the Susano amp).
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I'm comparing 320 and 23... Not sure the step up features of the Elite are worth $200.

RS-232 port and aluminum front panel are not important to me. Seems like they both have KURO link (different sources have different opinions on this though).

Other than that, the only difference I can see is PQLS for Jitter-Free 2-Channel Music Playback vs. Multi-Channel Playback. Is this correct? How important is this?

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Also a jitter reduction circuit on the HDMI port (similiar to the Susano amp).

OK, so it's PQLS 2-channel vs. multi-channel and jitter reduction added. Are they really useful? I mean, like jitter reduction, is it common to have jitter? I'm just learning, please, be patient with me. I never had a BD player before.

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Both the Sharp BDHP22U and the Pioneer BDP-120 have "Quick Startup Mode" but the Pioneer BDP-320 does not. It is not that unprecedented that a good feature is only available on a lower end model. Is there any chance that these two models really are made by Funai?
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What do you guys mean when you say that the kuro pdp's do a better job with the (de)-interlacing than the player does? I mean what options do I put on to have my kuro do the de interlacing as opposed to the player? Do you just run sd dvds in native, and then set your purecinema mode on your pdp to standard?
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Both the Sharp BDHP22U and the Pioneer BDP-120 have "Quick Startup Mode" but the Pioneer BDP-320 does not. It is not that unprecedented that a good feature is only available on a lower end model. Is there any chance that these two models really are made by Funai?

Unsure who actually makes the sharp players - it may very well be Funai who also makes magnavox, sylvania, onkyo, denon and marantz units.

Can't seem to get a straight answer on the 120 - the menu shots look identical to the sharp.
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What do you guys mean when you say that the kuro pdp's do a better job with the (de)-interlacing than the player does? I mean what options do I put on to have my kuro do the de interlacing as opposed to the player? Do you just run sd dvds in native, and then set your purecinema mode on your pdp to standard?

source direct (480i) and the kuro would do the heavy lifting to make it fit the 1080p resolution. I tried it on my 5010 and found the 320 did a better job with jaggies (deinterlacing). Ruined claimed in the 51 thread that the 51 was superior to the 5020 (the 51 has the same chip as the 320).
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OK, so it's PQLS 2-channel vs. multi-channel and jitter reduction added. Are they really useful? I mean, like jitter reduction, is it common to have jitter? I'm just learning, please, be patient with me. I never had a BD player before.

I don't know how common audio jitter is, but it will only help you if you have the compatible pioneer receiver. If you have any receiver that can decode high res audio, then just bitstream the track. Jitter is only an issue that may arise when the audio is decoded in the player.
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The Sharp has a Aquos Pure Mode light on the front while the Pioneer has Kuro Link so I suppose there had to be some customization. As soon as the manual for the BDHP22U is put online, we will know more about the differences. I am intrigued by this from the BDP-120 manual:

When the Quick Start function is on:
The startup time of the Player is reduced.
However, power consumption will increase (about 8W).
When the Quick Start function is off:
The player will enter the low power consumption mode
when in standby condition.
When “Quick Start” is set to “Yes”, the Player requires
some time to turn off.

It makes sense that in order to quicken the search for and reading of certain information on a disc, you have to turn up the juice a bit. Their advertisements say it reduces start up time to 10 seconds for some blu-ray discs.
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The Sharp has a Aquos Pure Mode light on the front while the Pioneer has Kuro Link so I suppose there had to be some customization. As soon as the manual for the BDHP22U is put online, we will know more about the differences. I am intrigued by this from the BDP-120 manual:

When the Quick Start function is on:
The startup time of the Player is reduced.
However, power consumption will increase (about 8W).
When the Quick Start function is off:
The player will enter the low power consumption mode
when in standby condition.
When Quick Start is set to Yes, the Player requires
some time to turn off.

It makes sense that in order to quicken the search for and reading of certain information on a disc, you have to turn up the juice a bit. Their advertisements say it reduces start up time to 10 seconds for some blu-ray discs.

I would still love an explanation why AVS Moderators felt this kind of discussion violated forum rules and required my first thread to be deleted and the second to be closed.
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I would still love an explanation why AVS Moderators felt this kind of discussion violated forum rules and required my first thread to be deleted and the second to be closed.

Its a conspiracy !
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I reported on the pre-release thread that I had talked to a Pioneer regional sales rep and engineer at a dealer's Pioneer Elite event. One of the things that the rep said was that the 120 used Sharp electronics internally. Also that the 23 and 320 used Burr Brown DACs and the 120 didn't as it was using the Sharp electronics. I didn't press anymore on this as my interest was mainly in the 23.
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I'm curious how sound quality is for CD music via 2ch analog OUT's?
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I'm curious how sound quality is for CD music via 2ch analog OUT's?

I would say very good - I was concerned there would be some sacrifice in the removal of the wolfsons in the 51. Pioneer did a good job with the implementation of the burr browns. I have not done a whole hell of a lot of listiening, but have not noticed a real difference thus far. The 320 is growing on me, but sadly frustrates me after getting used to the speed of the Oppo.
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The Sharp has a Aquos Pure Mode light on the front while the Pioneer has Kuro Link so I suppose there had to be some customization. As soon as the manual for the BDHP22U is put online, we will know more about the differences. I am intrigued by this from the BDP-120 manual:

When the Quick Start function is on:
The startup time of the Player is reduced.
However, power consumption will increase (about 8W).
When the Quick Start function is off:
The player will enter the low power consumption mode
when in standby condition.
When Quick Start is set to Yes, the Player requires
some time to turn off.

It makes sense that in order to quicken the search for and reading of certain information on a disc, you have to turn up the juice a bit. Their advertisements say it reduces start up time to 10 seconds for some blu-ray discs.

I would say that the unit is never fully off which means that it always draws 8W when "off" and then it draws the normal figure when fully on. Sort of like standby mode on a computer.
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I would say very good - I was concerned there would be some sacrifice in the removal of the wolfsons in the 51. Pioneer did a good job with the implementation of the burr browns. I have not done a whole hell of a lot of listiening, but have not noticed a real difference thus far

interesting, thanks. So you do have a BDP-51FD to use as a comparison?

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The 320 is growing on me, but sadly frustrates me after getting used to the speed of the Oppo.

yeah, it's definitely nice to have faster load-times. However this factor has never prevented me from enjoying video or music sources any less.............
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I received my 320 from Vann's yesterday and hooked it up via HDMI. It's now sharing the stage with my A-35, and I haven't had time to make serious comparisons yet. But, interestingly enough, the Pioneer sounds a little better decoding the DTS sound from the Eagle's Hell Freezes Over DVD.

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I would say very good - I was concerned there would be some sacrifice in the removal of the wolfsons in the 51. Pioneer did a good job with the implementation of the burr browns. I have not done a whole hell of a lot of listiening, but have not noticed a real difference thus far. The 320 is growing on me, but sadly frustrates me after getting used to the speed of the Oppo.


It's growing on me as well. In fact I LOVE it now that I finally got the audio tweaked to how I like it. And actually, as far as the load times go, I came to this player from a sammy bd up 5000. So the load times are actually better than what I previously had
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