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My March 2009 Malaysian built Pioneer BDP 320 arrived late tonight. Firmware Version 3.04

Initial impressions from April 2009:
Decodes DTS HD MA out of the box.
Seems about as quick in loading and power on times as 51FD.
PQ for SD DVD and BD is identical to 51FD best I can tell.
AQ is very good over analogues; generally impressed by Burr Brown DACs.
Very slick looking.
Cannot seem to connect to the internet yet for firmware/internet connections yet.
Will play BD+ (QOS) discs without issue

Here it is boxed:
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Front shot
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Comparison of size to 51
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Load Times
Pirates of the caribbean (black pearl):
JVC: Medallion 16 seconds; Disney 27 seconds
Oppo: Medallion 21 seconds; Disney 31 seconds
Pio 51: Medallion 49 seconds; Disney 1 min 13 seconds
Pio 320: Medallion 38 seconds; Medallion 1 min 3 seconds (3.34)

Dark Knight: to anti-piracy page
JVC: 17 seconds
Oppo: 16 seconds
Pio 320: 42 seconds
Pio 51: 45 seconds

Casino Royale: to Sony screen
JVC 18 seconds
Oppo: 16 Seconds
Pio 320: 43 seconds (w 3.34)
Pio 51: 42 seconds

Power on to Pioneer display screen when first plugged in:
18 seconds

Pressing Eject to open drive when in standby mode:
BDP 51FD: 33 seconds
BDP 320: 18.5 seconds (FW 3.41)
Oppo 83: 2 Seconds

Video Performance: Synthetic Tests

Source Adaptive Deinterlacing
Cadence: Racecar testing for moire in stands
* denotes lock on in second set.

Test Pio 320
2:2 pass
2:2:2:4 fail
2:3:2:3 (PF-T) pass
2:3:2:3 pass*
2:3:3:2 marg
3:2:3:2:2 fail
5:5 marginal
6:4 fail
8:7:8:7 marginal
24p - pass pass
Time-adjusted fail

Edge Adaptive Test Patterns

Jaggie test - Pio 320
Speedometer: pass 45 to 5. fail +/- 5, pass -45 to -5
Ship: Pass
horizontal scrolling text: pass
vertical scrolling text: pass

Relative Comparison to Other Players: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1156535

Frequently Asked Questions:

How does the 320 compare to the 51FD?

The 320/23FD is a bit faster than the 51/05. Eject/power on times are 13 seconds faster on the 320 and the 320 loads most discs 4-7 seconds faster.

The 320/23FD has a greater colorspace - 48 bit - compare to the 51/05 - 36 bit.

The 320/23FD are currently (5/14/09) able to decode DTS HD MA internally; the 51FD has been waiting for firmware since Oct 08 (delivered in June 09).

The 320/23FD are Profile 2.0 players and can access BD Live features over the internet. Firmware upgrades can be performed via the internet as well. The 51/05 are Profile 1.1 players and lack an ethernet connection.

The 320/23FD share the same video chipset (SoC) with the 05FD/51FD. PQ is identical best I can tell.

The 320/23FD have BurrBrown DACs; the 51/05 have Wolfson DACs. The Woflsons are great; BurrBrowns appear to be great as well.

The 23FD has PQLS jitter reduction for multi-channel codecs when bitstreaming to a Pioneer Receiver. The 320, 51, and 05 have this feature but only for 2 channel playback.

The 320/23/51/05 share the same remote control.

The 320/23FD have KuroLink, which automatically detects a Pioneer Kuro display and makes adjustments for the Kuro plasma.

Anecdotally, the 320 appears more reliable in rental disc playback (netflix) than my previous two 51s. Error correction/laser sensitivity appear to be addressed to some extent.

The 320/23FD will play 12 rounds without problem. This disc will not play on the 51/05.


How long are the DVD layer changes?
After FW 3.41, there is NO layer change.

How does it compare to the Pioneer BDP-120?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post16551589

What are the differences between the 320 and the 23FD?
Video and Audio performance are identical over HDMI and should be nearly identical over analogue in most cases. The 23FD is the Elite version and carries a 2 year warranty (3 in Canada) while the 320 has a year warranty. The 23FD has backlit buttons on the front fascia and an amber display; the 320 has a light blue display. The 23FD is slightly taller due to its feet. The biggest function difference is the 23FD has MCH PQLS to reduce jitter when the player decodes audio codecs to a Pioneer Receiver; the 320 only has 2 channel. The 23FD also has an RS 232 control plug on the back for custom integration.

Can it output both HDMI and component simultaneously?
No

Can it be made region free for dvd?
Yes, but this is not confirmed: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post17851965

How good are the tweaking menus in the Pioneer 320/23FD?
Excellent. They have numerous options for adjusting gamma, brightness, contrast, various forms of noise reduction and others. There are also pre-set video settings including Professional, Pioneer PDP, and others.

I have a Kuro PDP, what is the best setting for video?
Professional has the least adjustment. Pioneer PDP actually has the following adjustments:

Pioneer PDP:

Progressive Motion: 4
Pure Cinema: auto1
YNR: 3
CNR: 0
BNR: 0
MNR: 0
Detail: 5
White Level: 4
Black Level: 4
Black Setup: 7.5 IRE
Gamma Correction: 4
Hue:4
Chroma Level:4

Professional:

Progressive Motion: 4
Pure Cinema: Auto1
YNR: 0
CNR:0
BNR:0
MNR:0
Detail:4
White Level:4
Black Level:4
Black Setup:4
Gamma Correction:4
Hue:4
Chroma Level:4


Known Bugs:
Terminator 2 Skynet (5/31) - slow playback (CONFIRMED)
Generation Kill (7/9) - playback (UNCONFIRMED)
DollHouse (8/20) unconfirmed.
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It was also said that the new players would have DTS-MA decoding out of the box. Is that so?

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Link to Pioneer's Website: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU....Support?tab=B
Firmware Upgrades are available over the Internet via LAN connection. Downloads are quick - about 5 minutes, but load/read times are longer. Total process took me about 15 minutes.

Firmware Version 3.04
Description: Initial Firmware; DTS HD MA Decoding Out of the Box
Key Components:
Known Bugs:

Firmware Version 3.13
Release Date: 5/29/09
Description:
CHANGE HISTORY:
- Enhances BD-ROM playability and stability of BD-Java playback (*)
- Enhances stability of BD-LIVE functions
* The player's action can be slower than expected depending on contents (menu, game, etc.) included in certain BD-Java discs.

Key Components: Playability/Stability
Known Bugs: None to date (5/30)


Firmware Version 3.25
Release Date: 7/8/09
Description:
CHANGE HISTORY:
- Enhances BD-ROM playability and stability of BD-Java playback (*)
- Enhances stability of BD-LIVE functions
- Enhances stability of BD-R/BD-RE playback
- Performance improvement to address playability issues
* The player's action can be slower than expected depending on contents (menu, game, etc.) included in certain BD-Java discs.


Firmware Version 3.34a
Release Date: 9/2/09
Description:
CHANGE HISTORY:
- Enhances BD-ROM playability and stability of BD-Java playback (*)
- Enhances stability of BD-LIVE functions
- Enhances stability of BD-R/BD-RE playback
- Performance improvement to address playability issues
* The player's action can be slower than expected depending on contents (menu, game, etc.) included in certain BD-Java discs.

Decreases powered off eject times by 5-7 seconds to 19 seconds. Decreases load times on java discs by 10-15 seconds.

POSSIBLE NEW FIRMWARE 3.38 MIGHT REDUCE LAYER CHANGES - RECENT RELEASED FW FOR 51/05 HAS ELIMINATED DVD LAYER CHANGES...DETAILS PENDING
Firmware version 3.41
Release date 12.4.2009
Fixes the following issues.
- Cannot play certain BD title "Marley & Me".
- A few seconds to change DVD layers.
- No high light displayed on Session 1 and Session 2 of certain DVD title "Eric Clapton Sessions for Robert J" released in Japan.
- Stop playback before starting the movie of certain DVD title "Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers" released in Germany.
- Setting "w/Subtitle Language" of BDMV/DVD-Video Menu Lang. does not work propely.
- In certain BDAV discs, audio and video played at intervals.
- In certain BDAV discs, player freezes between chapters.
- In BDAV discs, no disc name displayed.

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Awesome guys. I snagged one from united online as well. Looking forward to sharing our results in this thread
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Hi congrats on the purchase, i guess if you could post load times as a comparison with the oppo (or in the thread concerned) it would be appreciated.
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Thank you winston. I have been waiting for this. BDP-320 vs. the Oppo should be very interesting. I plan on buying my first BP in a week or so. I have a 9g kuro eagerly waiting.
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Yeah me too. I would appreciate as much information as possible.
I currently have 51fd and pio 111fd and I am returning 51fd but might either get 51fd again (it's a pricing thing) or 320. I'm curious about PQ and up conversion from dvd comparing to 51fd and to panny. Loading times will be much appreciated as well although i doubt Pio will accomplish anything in that department.
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I just placed a "Pre-Order" for the BDP-23FD. Est. time of delivery 3rd week of May.

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Nice! I have a 111FD and SC-07 would like to buy my first Blu Ray this next Month. BDP 320, 23fd or Oppo 83 or 51FD This forum Rocks!!

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Hi congrats on the purchase, i guess if you could post load times as a comparison with the oppo (or in the thread concerned) it would be appreciated.

Please post a couple load times for well known discs. Also Power On from pressing "On" and Power On from pressing Eject.

If possible, put in Pirates 1 from putting the disc in until you reach the first preview.
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I'm also looking forward to the reviews on this one. I might give my mom my old player for Mother's day. I gave her an HDTV last year. So a blu ray + a few movies might not be a bad choice (and a good excuse to get a new player [IMG]http://www.entertainment-place.info/smile/img/2659/*************************[/IMG]).
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Nice! What else you got?

edit: Oh I just noticed you updated your first post.
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Disappointing disc loading times
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wow, the load times on the oppo destroy the 320, that's kinda disappointing
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wow, the load times on the oppo destroy the 320, that's kinda disappointing

I have been covering a lot of ground in about an hour, but on the whole, i would say load times are comparable to the 51FD. Firmware is 3.04.

I am using it to break in a kuro at the moment - will say this thing gets warm!
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I have been covering a lot of ground in about an hour, but on the whole, i would say load times are comparable to the 51FD. Firmware is 3.04.

Really appreciate your hard work. Whats your impression on the PQ compared to the 51? No rush...
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Wow...big difference in load time. Let us know if we should hold of for the oppo. Thanks winston
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Wow...load time is slow. Let us know if we should hold of for the oppo. Thanks winston

just loaded vicky christina barcelona (16:9 ration helps me break in kuro) in 25 seconds roughly.
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Really appreciate your hard work. Whats your impression on the PQ compared to the 51? No rush...

I am alternating b/w Pioneer 50 kuro (5010) and Sony 46 120hz lcd (z series)...I have yet to spot the difference between the two at 1080p 24fps. I am going to tackle the issue of sd dvd upscaling over the weekend - do not want to rush that.
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Very helpful info Winston..........Thanks!
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Thank you Winston! Kinda sad Looks like I won't be bothering upgrading.
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Thank you winston, some load times on common titles would be cool.
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Is there color space options?
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Well thats really disappointing re load times, even though its not so bad you would think Pioneer would make some improvement in this area
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Unit runs warm ( I guess smaller footprint is causing this), and load times haven't improved is disappointing. I wonder if the Elite 23FD will be different? I will post when mine arrives.

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Just got my unit. My first impression, its beautiful and its slow! I will post more info soon. Here's a pic:

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looks awesome man! I'm on the fence...thinking about ordering!
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It doesn't look like Pioneer went with the MediaTek system-on-chip MPEG decoder like they did with their SD players. According to someone at the Oppo BDP-83 thread, he/she read its firmware with a HEX editor and the Oppo definitly uses the MediaTek MT8520. I use a Pioneer Elite DV-58AV for SD playback. I was hoping Pioneer would base their Blu-ray players on that model, with the addition of all the BD formats, 7.1 analog, and HDMI 1.3A of course! Pioneer is supposed to form a joint venture with Sharp in the optical disc business around October 1, 2009. I wonder if Pioneer is going to sell their design to Sharp, or if Sharp is going to sell their design to Pioneer. While Oppo makes great digital transports, I'm not sure if their build quality is as heavy-duty as Pioneer's. I would like to see Pioneer (or Pioneer and Sharp) make a MediaTek-based Blu-ray player with either high-end Burr-Brown or Wolfson DACs, 7.1 analog preouts that can decode DTSHDMA, Dolby Digital TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, DSD, DVD-A, and all the compressed audio formats, HDMI 1.3A, Composite, S-video, Component Video, switchable black level, NTSC, Pal, and AUTO outputs, USB that can serve as a playback source and ripping to USB devices, and compatibility with CD, DVD-V, DVD-A, SACD, WAV, MP3, WMA, WMV, Real Audio, Real Video, AVI, MPEG, iTunes audio and SD&HD video, and all versions of SD and HD DivX.
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OK so far we know the 23 runs hotter and just as slow as the 51FD, but nobody answered the most important questions:

Hows the PQ compared to the 51FD??
Does the Kuro Link add any value to 9G owners?
How's the upscaling for SD DVD's?

Although its slightly disappointing to see the load times haven't improved, IMO 95% of the people who bought a 51FD value PQ over anything else.
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