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Do you mind put up a comparison for Samsung P3600? Thank you! I am deciding between Samsung P3600 and LG 390 due to their features~
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Dark Knight: to anti-piracy page
JVC: 17 seconds
Oppo: 16 seconds
LG 390: 13 seconds
Pio 51: 45 seconds
Onkyo: 43 seconds

Pirates of the Car: Black Pearl
JVC: Medallion 16 seconds; Disney 27 seconds
Oppo: Medallion 21 seconds; Disney 31 seconds
LG BD390: Medallion 22 seconds; Disney 32 seconds
Pio 51: Medallion 49 seconds; Disney 1 min 13 seconds
Onkyo: Medallion 42; 1 min 2 seconds

Casino Royale: to Sony screen
JVC 18 seconds

Oppo: 16 Seconds
LG 390: 12 seconds
Pio 51: 42 seconds
Onkyo: 45 seconds[/quote]

No panasonic listed on load times? Your tests in post two for SD-DVD were done with the Panasonic outputting 1080p/24 on SD-DVD?
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Do you mind put up a comparison for Samsung P3600? Thank you! I am deciding between Samsung P3600 and LG 390 due to their features~

Do not own the Samsung 3600. If I get bored one weekend, I will take it on a test drive from BB and post results.
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You know the Panasonic is a little odd to get it to display 1080p/24 from SD-DVD. Are you sure? I only ask because in other testing I have read about I thought I remembered it passing ship and verical scrolling tests, but not when outputting 1080i, only when outputting 1080p/24...

I'll see if I can dig one up and post a link, it's been a while, I was reading up on it before I purchased it black Friday last year. (2008)

You can't auto set it for the player. You have to hit display after the content starts, move down to video, and then over to the 1080p/24 option, then arrow up. The display will go blank / no signal while it resyncs.
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http://www.hometheatermag.com/discpl...u-ray_players/

"These new players did outstanding in our new video processing test set. They support full deinterlacing of high-definition and standard DVD playback with great results. (See page 26 for more info on our video processing tests.) These players have definitely set the bar for video playback performance at these price points, and it will be interesting to see how the competition responds.
The DMP-BD35 and DMP-BD55 did a spectacular job in our video tests. These are the first Panasonic players that pass all of our video processing tests for deinterlacing. The UniPhier also did a great job with our resolution tests. It passed information to the very limits of what’s available from the Blu-ray format in pristine fashion. You would truly be hard-pressed to find better video performance with Blu-ray and DVD playback at any price. "

Back then when I looked at the reference doccument I cannot find now, I am pretty sure it listed all the tests passing only when set to 1080p/24.
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You know the Panasonic is a little odd to get it to display 1080p/24 from SD-DVD. Are you sure? I only ask because in other testing I have read about I thought I remembered it passing ship and verical scrolling tests, but not when outputting 1080i, only when outputting 1080p/24...

I'll see if I can dig one up and post a link, it's been a while, I was reading up on it before I purchased it black Friday last year. (2008)

You can't auto set it for the player. You have to hit display after the content starts, move down to video, and then over to the 1080p/24 option, then arrow up. The display will go blank / no signal while it resyncs.

john, you might have the nature of the tests confused - the ship jaggie test if for video based material (native 30hz). Panasonic 55 struggled, introducing jaggied. not trying to knock the panasonic, just objectively captuting performance data.
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Oppo: 16 Seconds
LG 390: 12 seconds
Pio 51: 42 seconds
Onkyo: 45 seconds

No panasonic listed on load times? Your tests in post two for SD-DVD were done with the Panasonic outputting 1080p/24 on SD-DVD?

updated; it's mid-pack - faster than pioneer and onkyo, slower than jvc, lg, and oppo
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Didn't know the LG BD390 was such a quick standalone. Thought it was always only the Oppo & JVC that were quick.
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Powered off Eject Times by pressing Eject Button
JVC: 2 seconds
Oppo: 11 seconds
LG 390: 3 seconds
Pio 51: 26 seconds
Onkyo: 24 seconds
Pio 320: 25 seconds
Panny 55: 18 seconds


Oppo made a hardware change sometime after the first batch went out for the EAP program. The current BDP-83 has an eject time of around 2 seconds from a powered off state. Mine was shipped the first part of May and has the new fast eject functionality FWIW.
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Oppo made a hardware change sometime after the first batch went out for the EAP program. The current BDP-83 has an eject time of around 2 seconds from a powered off state. Mine was shipped the first part of May and has the new fast eject functionality FWIW.

Isn't it 4 seconds for the newly shipped Oppo's going by the FAQ?
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Load times- They are from the Tray open position?
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Load times- They are from the Tray open position?

from the tray closing. trying to compensate for some trays that move faster. i am using an electronic stopwatch on my phone
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Isn't it 4 seconds for the newly shipped Oppo's going by the FAQ?

So i understand - I was in the 2nd eap and mine is as posted.
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My oppo is off to open in 2 seconds
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john, you might have the nature of the tests confused - the ship jaggie test if for video based material (native 30hz). Panasonic 55 struggled, introducing jaggied. not trying to knock the panasonic, just objectively captuting performance data.


I also remember reading that when playing Video, you need to manually change the player from auto to video, also with the display button I believe.

So many things these days to remember to set. It is a bit of a PITA. I just got a bunch of best of SNL's and I have to change that manually or it's performance isn't so great for sure.

These are just questions. It's always good to make sure a tester has dotted their "i"'s and crossed their "t"'s you know. Rare that a tester would have enough experience as a long term owner to catch some of this stuff is all.

That auto setting is never good for Video material in my experiences.
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My oppo is off to open in 2 seconds

Same for me. I just pushed the eject button while power was off.

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I also remember reading that when playing Video, you need to manually change the player from auto to video, also with the display button I believe.

So many things these days to remember to set. It is a bit of a PITA. I just got a bunch of best of SNL's and I have to change that manually or it's performance isn't so great for sure.

These are just questions. It's always good to make sure a tester has dotted their "i"'s and crossed their "t"'s you know. Rare that a tester would have enough experience as a long term owner to catch some of this stuff is all.

That auto setting is never good for Video material in my experiences.

one could argue that is a major defficiency in the everyday performance of the player, not the test! For the record, I did not change the settings on others - like the onkyo - that have a film/video/auto preset
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Same for me. I just pushed the eject button while power was off.

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I've put a caveat for your quicker models. Don't want the oppo holics on my case!
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I've put a caveat for your quicker models. Don't want the oppo holics on my case!

My player is less than a month old. Easy test to execute, too.

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updated for LG BH200 as promised.
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one could argue that is a major defficiency in the everyday performance of the player, not the test! For the record, I did not change the settings on others - like the onkyo - that have a film/video/auto preset

Thanks, always good to know more about how things were done.
Interesting the selections on the Panasonic are auto or video as in they already knew something was up with the auto setting in regards to video material.
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Winston,
You really do us a great service here. Thanks!
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After reading numerous posts regarding the Picture Quality of various blu ray players, I thought I would begin a master repository of objective and subjective information regarding blu ray performance using synthetic tests and my subjective opinion of their real-world performance of SD Upscaling.

The Spears & Munsil Blu-ray test disc has some useful material that can show differences in basic player performance based on different output options/display combinations. In particular I noticed the Chroma Resolution tests (Chroma multiburst and Chroma zone plate) can show noticeable differences between players and color space output options i.e. YCbCr 4:4:4/4:2:2, RGB. There are also other test such as chroma alignment that may/may not be adjustable (YC delay) on some players/displays but it may be useful to test how it performs at default with different display combinations for those that can't adjust.

These maybe a useful tests to include as in essence they apply to all material.

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Too bad you don't have the Samsung BD-UP5000 to compare against the BH200 along with the rest. THAT you are likely not to find at Best Buy at this juncture. ;(
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In my set up (720p over HDMI sent directly to a panny 900 or passed through an older yamaha 5990), the oppo bdp-83 starts with a split second of bleacher moire in the Spears and Munsil 2:2 race car scene on all passes when the de-interlacing is set to auto, but it handles the scene fine if I force 2:2.
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In my set up (720p over HDMI sent directly to a panny 900 or passed through an older yamaha 5990), the oppo bdp-83 starts with a split second of bleacher moire in the Spears and Munsil 2:2 race car scene on all passes when the de-interlacing is set to auto, but it handles the scene fine if I force 2:2.

You'll note i have asterisk by this cadence for the oppo. it requires a second lock on.
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