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Still no news how to get this multiregion on dvd's?
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I downloaded a new firmware today (2nd since purchase) Where do you check current FW version ?

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I downloaded a new firmware today (2nd since purchase) Where do you check current FW version ?

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What improvement or added functionality was delivered with the 1st and 2nd firmware updates?


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What improvement or added functionality was delivered with the 1st and 2nd firmware updates?


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Hi

First update was a speed improvment I'mnot sure of anything else. I havent had time to do any tests yet on 2nd

I will and report back
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What improvement or added functionality was delivered with the 1st and 2nd firmware updates?


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The first firmware update dropped the powered off eject time from 17 seconds to 13 seconds.
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I wish it would give some kind of indicator when there is an update to be downloaded, kind of along the lines of how the PS3 prompts you to update.

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I can say that one thing the latest update has appeared to do is speed up the eject time.
Before when the movie was over I'd hit eject before getting out of my chair & have to wait for the disc, but now it has popped out by the time I get there.

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I can say that one thing the latest update has appeared to do is speed up the eject time.
Before when the movie was over I'd hit eject before getting out of my chair & have to wait for the disc, but now it has popped out by the time I get there.

I know...these are the firmware updates i like! just wish pioneer could hire some denon engineers!
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is their a place to check which FW version you have installed ?
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is their a place to check which FW version you have installed ?

Not that I have found. I have only come across one firmware update since installation of my device and checked again last night. This firmware, which i will dub as 1.1, brought us quicker eject times and overall responsiveness. It dropped the powered off eject times from 17 seconds to 14 seconds.

For the record, the 1610 appears to have had the same update (I also have a 1610).
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Just purchased the DBP-2010CI. It's a big improvement over my 2500BTCI. Load times are faster, and for some reason, my 2500BTCI wouldn't play half the Blu-ray titles I received from Netflix (titles that played perfectly fine on my Samsung unit in the guest room).

Next up is extending my wireless network through an unused Airport Extreme and then plugging my TiVo and DBP-2010CI into it for firmware updates.
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thought this might be of interest for folks choosing between the 1610 and 2010 with a new denon receiver: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post17083681
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Just received my New Denon 2010ci!!
Will have setup it up tonight, and start trying it out tomorrow.


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Just received my New Denon 2010ci!!
Will have setup it up tonight, and start trying it out tomorrow.

Great news - looking forward to your opinion on the audio performance.
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Still no news how to get this multiregion on dvd's?

Goooooood question! I wish someone would give some type of info on how the 2010 is with regions.

If it isn't naturally multi-region, have you tried the old 3930/2930 region-free code? It's a lot to hope that they'd keep the same bypass built in, but on the other hand, it'd be simpler.
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Did a quick setup to check out the new Denon player for functionality.
Wanted to perform this test before completely removing my previous Panasonic BD80 blu-ray player.
So far so good.
The tray open and closes, OSD performs properly, HDMI audio and video perform properly.
After installing the new Denon in my AV rack, I will move onto the daunting task of setting up the 7.1 analog audio connections and set up menu.
My future evaluations will focus primarily on the multichannel analog quality and performance, as this was my main reason for choosing this player.
For owners of high end legacy AVR's this info maybe of particular importance to you.
Owners using HDMI AVR's could most likely use Denon 1610ci player, and just bit-stream the audio to your AVR for decoding,IMO.

My first Impressions:
The style and finish of this player are VERY NICE!!
Much nicer looking than the Oppo BD-83, IMO.
I really like the brushed metal finish on the face plate, which was NOT noticeable to me in any pictures I have previously seen.
I was somewhat surprised by the overall size of this player, as the faceplate is slightly taller than my Denon 2930ci player.
The new Denon 2010ci is a substantial player, but certainly doesn't have the heft of my 2930ci player.

PQ as I expected was "PHENOMENAL" using HDMI 1080 24p output to my Sony XBR8 HDTV.
First blu-ray movie played was Disney Nature Earth.
Enclosed are a few initial photos.
Will be posting more photos along with my impressions on the analog audio quality and performance of the Denon 2010ci player.
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Welcome to the club. I think you'll be extremely satisfied.

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Welcome to the club. I think you'll be extremely satisfied.

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This player has become my primary player (in lieu of the Oppo). The oppo is faster, but I really like the AQ and PQ the 2010 offers. It also happens to look damn good as well.
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This player has become my primary player (in lieu of the Oppo). The oppo is faster, but I really like the AQ and PQ the 2010 offers. It also happens to look damn good as well.

Mine, too. I also realized how much I prefer my Panasonic 55 over the Samsung 3600 after doing some equipment moving around this weekend. Picture and sound are both better.

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My new Denon player has now been moved into it's permanent place in my AV rack.

The 7.1 analog connections and setup has been successfully performed and is outputting all channels as verified by the players test tones.
Multi-Channel Analog Audio Setup wasn't that difficult, but in all fairness I already own a Denon AVR & Denon DVD-A/SACD player, so that experience gave me a big edge.

First test blu-ray for audio evaluation is one of my favorites, "Transporter3"
This DTS-HD MA 7.1 soundtrack is very aggressive, has plenty of LFE punch, and makes full use of all surround channels.

Second audio test blu-ray was the DTS-HD MA 7.1 soundtrack from "Hellboy II The Golden Army".
Another great 7.1 dynamic soundtrack with plenty of surround action and full LFE slap.

First 7.1 Analog Audio Impression:

The Denon player hands down had BETTER imaging, overall clarity, and increased detail, outperforming ALL of my previous blu-ray players!!

LFE output from the Denon was initially just adequate, but I was using my previous EXT.IN +10 setting.

I have now increased it to +15 and the LFE output is now near reference level with NO overload.
Initially VERY HAPPY with the PQ & SQ of this player.

On the down side:
I have noticed a few shortcomings in this player which are NOT a deal breaker for me, but given the choice of options available on many players, I find this somewhat disappointing.

1) Unable to use both HDMI and multi-channel analog audio at the same time.
You need to scroll through the setup menu and reconfigure the audio settings.
(Who wouldn't like to be able to use HDMI audio for your TV speakers without having to reconfigure your audio setup?)

2) Audio display information for Blu-ray 7.1 analog playback is bare bones to say the least.
All you get is the basic sound format info : DTS-HD - Multi-Channel - 3
This audio display does NOT give you any information on if it's outputting 5.1/7.1 channels or what frequency it is outputting: 48kz/96kz
(Disappointing for a player of this caliber.)
So far the GOOD points outweigh the bad exponentially!!


Enclosed are some more photos of how NICE this player looks in my rack!!
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This player has become my primary player (in lieu of the Oppo). The oppo is faster, but I really like the AQ and PQ the 2010 offers. It also happens to look damn good as well.

I completely agree.
The Oppo BD-83 was much faster in loading and overall functionality.
I personally prefer the PQ and AQ of the new Denon player over the Oppo, at least in my HT system.
The Oppo is a great solution for most people looking for a reasonably priced universal player, but unfortunately it didn't work out for me.


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I completely agree.
The Oppo BD-83 was much faster in loading and overall functionality.
I personally prefer the PQ and AQ of the new Denon player over the Oppo, at least in my HT system.
The Oppo is a great solution for most people looking for a reasonably priced universal player, but unfortunately it didn't work out for me.

just don't say that on the oppo vs forum or you will get a half dozen of the oppothugs that will jump all over you!
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just don't say that on the oppo vs forum or you will get a half dozen of the oppothugs that will jump all over you!

Very Good Advice!
Ever since I returned my Oppo BD-83 due to a severe LFE overload problem using the 7.1 analog section, and also experienced some complete lockups, I have stayed away from voicing any comments or opinions in the Oppo threads.
Fortunately I survived and I am still here to talk about it.


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Very Good Advice!
Ever since I returned my Oppo BD-83 due to a severe LFE overload problem using the 7.1 analog section, and also experienced some complete lockups, I have stayed away from voicing any comments or opinions in the Oppo threads.
Fortunately I survived and I am still here to talk about it.

I know - I own three Oppo products and am very happy with them, but fail to see the messianic status it conjures up for some. great player and great value, but not life-changing.
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Well have not posted here in some time, but feel the need too. I am considering this player and appreciate the reviews. The thing a lot of the Oppo guys do not take into account are guys like me. I have a Denon DVD-3910 already. Sweet sounding Burr-Browns and all. It is a fantastic music player, and I still prefer it's 1080i upconverting to my Samsung HL-T6187S DLP. I have a X-A2 Tosh and it does a great job also. My current Blu ray player is a Panny BD10a. I do not need all the bells and whistles, I already have them. Nor would I consider replacing the 3910 with an Oppo.
Thus the need for this player for some of us just looking for a quality Blu-ray machine. Yeah I guess I am somewhat of a Denon fanboy having owned a dvd-3800, 2910, and the 3910. But being a fanboy is not what this is about. It's about quality and performance, and it seems to fit the bill! At least for some of us. I would consider the Oppo for my bedroom system soon as the Panny dies so I can enjoy my sacd's and dvd-audio discs there.
Just my opinion.
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Goooooood question! I wish someone would give some type of info on how the 2010 is with regions.

If it isn't naturally multi-region, have you tried the old 3930/2930 region-free code? It's a lot to hope that they'd keep the same bypass built in, but on the other hand, it'd be simpler.

Nope, dosen't work
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Watched Gladiator & Braveheart & they both locked up in the previews, restarted them & hit menu when the previews started & they both played with no further problems.
I have the latest firmware on my player.

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Watched Gladiator & Braveheart & they both locked up in the previews, restarted them & hit menu when the previews started & they both played with no further problems.
I have the latest firmware on my player.

Re Gladiator - watched without issue - mine has no previews (sapphire edition), does yours?
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Watched Gladiator & Braveheart & they both locked up in the previews, restarted them & hit menu when the previews started & they both played with no further problems.
I have the latest firmware on my player.

no preivews on braveheart either - and the denon played them perfectly without issue.
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Well have not posted here in some time, but feel the need too. I am considering this player and appreciate the reviews. The thing a lot of the Oppo guys do not take into account are guys like me. I have a Denon DVD-3910 already. Sweet sounding Burr-Browns and all. It is a fantastic music player, and I still prefer it's 1080i upconverting to my Samsung HL-T6187S DLP. I have a X-A2 Tosh and it does a great job also. My current Blu ray player is a Panny BD10a. I do not need all the bells and whistles, I already have them. Nor would I consider replacing the 3910 with an Oppo.
Thus the need for this player for some of us just looking for a quality Blu-ray machine. Yeah I guess I am somewhat of a Denon fanboy having owned a dvd-3800, 2910, and the 3910. But being a fanboy is not what this is about. It's about quality and performance, and it seems to fit the bill! At least for some of us. I would consider the Oppo for my bedroom system soon as the Panny dies so I can enjoy my sacd's and dvd-audio discs there.
Just my opinion.

the panny will never die. i just gave my 10a to my bro in law! still plays every disk and dvda i throw at it.

the oppo comparison is pretty close but from what i gather from some other threads is that the oppo has the abt 2010 compared to the lesser one in the denon--what that means pragamtically i cant tell you personally. from what most are saying it doesnt seem to be having any deleterious impact on pq. and then theres the analog stage in the 2010 that wasnt neglected.

i think the bdp 3800 at current prices is actually a better comp (in that it has much of the higher end stuff (hqv realta, bb 1796's) inside for not much more than the 2010). yes it profile 1.1 but then again anyone actually USE bd live?

i am in a similar situation as you in that i also have a 5910--i ended up going with the sony 5000 blu ray because i liked the analog audio i heard form it (it makes a heck of a cdp as well). I guess my point is that if I were in your situation Id probably go for a 3800 over the 2010 since you have a 3910 but to each his own...
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