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winston9332's Avatar winston9332 05:53 AM 07-08-2009
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Originally Posted by jappleboy View Post

2010 BS is as good as the 2500. But i can see a big plus on the standard Dvd. The 2010 has alot less grain the color stands out cleaner better black, red. And the load times WOW FAST FAST FAST beat the 2500 by a long shot. The player is still $200 to high . But i think it looks better than the OPPO player. Looks great with my 5308

Can you please time some laod times of popular titles like Dark Knight, Pirates of the Carribean, or Casino Royale? I have timed them on the 2500 and 1800 models. Thanks.

tn001d's Avatar tn001d 06:04 PM 07-10-2009
Any updates from users ? I wish i could put the oppo inside this chasis, or even the 2500's chasis.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 03:34 PM 07-12-2009
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Any updates from users ?.

bumpetty bump bump
teachsac's Avatar teachsac 03:48 PM 07-12-2009
I really haven't had a whole lot of time to just play with it. It is solid and easy to use. Set up is a breeze with a lot of user settings. It also has a separate audio stage for 2 channel audio. Power on was 20 seconds. 25 using the drawer open to power on. Knowing loaded in around 50 seconds. DVD upconversion is extremely good. The only thing we are having difficulty with is whether or not it will scale SDDVD to 1080p/24. I am investigating and will report back. JJARRET and I can not seem to get it to function. Projector reports 1920X1080/60. Otherwise I love it.

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winston9332's Avatar winston9332 04:03 PM 07-12-2009
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

I really haven't had a whole lot of time to just play with it. It is solid and easy to use. Set up is a breeze with a lot of user settings. It also has a separate audio stage for 2 channel audio. Power on was 20 seconds. 25 using the drawer open to power on. Knowing loaded in around 50 seconds. DVD upconversion is extremely good. The only thing we are having difficulty with is whether or not it will scale SDDVD to 1080p/24. I am investigating and will report back. JJARRET and I can not seem to get it to function. Projector reports 1920X1080/60. Otherwise I love it.

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great info. so if i press eject when powered off, it takes 20 seconds for the tray to open, right? bit slower than the denon 2500/1800 takes roughly 14 seconds.

Casino Royale takes roughly 40 seconds on the 1800/2500. Dark Knight around 42 for 1800, 48 seconds for 2500. Pirates I to the disney screen is roughyl 1min 3sec for 1800; 1 min 9 sec for 2500.

Have any of these titles?

How does SD upscaling compare to the 1800/2500?
teachsac's Avatar teachsac 04:14 PM 07-12-2009
2500 wasn't the greatest upscaler. The 2010 is heads above the 2500. Never did try the 1800. 20 seconds was an approximate. Actual drawer open using the eject button was 17 seconds. I have all three titles. I'll get some times tomorrow.

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winston9332's Avatar winston9332 04:23 PM 07-12-2009
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

2500 wasn't the greatest upscaler. The 2010 is heads above the 2500. Never did try the 1800. 20 seconds was an approximate. Actual drawer open using the eject button was 17 seconds. I have all three titles. I'll get some times tomorrow.

S

thank you very much - i will add them to my comparison chart in my signature
teachsac's Avatar teachsac 10:58 AM 07-13-2009
Winston,

here's the load up times for the Denon 2010....

Casino Royale: 38 seconds to the Sony Screen
PoC1: 40 Seconds to coin and 50 to Disney Screen
Dark Knight: 37 seconds

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p.s. placed in thread, also.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 08:38 PM 07-13-2009
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Winston,

here's the load up times for the Denon 2010....

Casino Royale: 38 seconds to the Sony Screen
PoC1: 40 Seconds to coin and 50 to Disney Screen
Dark Knight: 37 seconds

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p.s. placed in thread, also.

Thanks Teach - great info. seems like they have improved speed to some extent.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 07:54 AM 07-15-2009
still a bit shocked prices are hovering around $700. just can't see how this will compete with the $500 oppo
teachsac's Avatar teachsac 05:57 PM 07-15-2009
Regarding 1080p/24

It seems that the 2010CI will not scale to 1080p/24 as was originally thought it would. Still investigating. It seems that they are looking at only the 4010 being able to do that.

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alebonau's Avatar alebonau 05:11 AM 07-16-2009
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still a bit shocked prices are hovering around $700. just can't see how this will compete with the $500 oppo

from what I've read the denon appears to have a better dac implementation and decent analog stage compared to the oppo. so wouldnt mind paying that little bit more on the denon for the for my analog 2.0 bedroom system

I see the 2010 is up on the uk avland site, wonder if that means not long before it launches here in oz
svphile's Avatar svphile 08:25 AM 07-16-2009
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from what I've read the denon appears to have a better dac implementation and decent analog stage compared to the oppo. so wouldnt mind paying that little bit more on the denon for the for my analog 2.0 bedroom system

I see the 2010 is up on the uk avland site, wonder if that means not long before it launches here in oz


This might be true. My best guess is their respective analog output stages have to be very close. I wouldn't believe it until I heard for myself or a respected forum member did an honest shootout.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 11:21 AM 07-16-2009
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Regarding 1080p/24

It seems that the 2010CI will not scale to 1080p/24 as was originally thought it would. Still investigating. It seems that they are looking at only the 4010 being able to do that.

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doesn't denon advertise forced 24fps? have they responded at all?
teachsac's Avatar teachsac 02:26 PM 07-16-2009
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doesn't denon advertise forced 24fps? have they responded at all?

I'm trying to get my hands on the product comparison sheet for the 3 models (1610, 2010, and 4010). They never "officially" say it does 1080p/24 upscaling for SDDVD. My rep says it is reserved for the 4010. However the product sheet "implies" that it does.

1080p/24 video output, to bring out the full quality of film-originated material (doesn't this include SDDVD?)

However, the ABT 1030 might not be capable. I'll post more as the info becomes available.

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winston9332's Avatar winston9332 03:01 PM 07-16-2009
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

I'm trying to get my hands on the product comparison sheet for the 3 models (1610, 2010, and 4010). They never "officially" say it does 1080p/24 upscaling for SDDVD. My rep says it is reserved for the 4010. However the product sheet "implies" that it does.

1080p/24 video output, to bring out the full quality of film-originated material (doesn't this include SDDVD?)

However, the ABT 1030 might not be capable. I'll post more as the info becomes available.

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gosh. i have got a dealer who is willing to sell me one south of 500, but can't seem to reconcile how this will be any better than an oppo save possibly the audio section.

does the zoom function work on non-java bds?
teachsac's Avatar teachsac 03:36 PM 07-16-2009
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gosh. i have got a dealer who is willing to sell me one south of 500, but can't seem to reconcile how this will be any better than an oppo save possibly the audio section.

does the zoom function work on non-java bds?

I actually haven't tried, but the manual says it does not on BD's.

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winston9332's Avatar winston9332 03:40 PM 07-16-2009
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I actually haven't tried, but the manual says it does not on BD's.

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sounds like it's indentical to the 1800/2500. i think i might sit this player out till there's a clear price advantage over the oppo. struggle to see any superior feature save the better styling!
alebonau's Avatar alebonau 04:38 PM 07-17-2009
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This might be true. My best guess is their respective analog output stages have to be very close. I wouldn't believe it until I heard for myself or a respected forum member did an honest shootout.

I found the oppo 983 pretty average on analog and I havent seen any better comments on the oppo BD player. looking under the hood the oppo it uses a pretty average power supply, a 7.1 dac on a chip for mch analog out and pretty ordinary analog stage from what can see.

my denon 2930 I use currently in my bedroom system has a much better implemented power supply, analog stage, a proper descrete dac setup with decent dacs and decent quality analog stage and sounds pretty good over analog for it. If the 2010 anything like it, and by all accounts technically it appears so then certainly looks like something for me.

for many analog might not be a concern at all but it is for me in my totally analog bedroom setup. So important factor for me and one of the main reasons looking at the denon here who in my eyes have a much better track record analog wise

styling and looks pretty important to me as well, and the oppo doesnt really do it for me there either sorry to say but yeah this very much a pers pref thing.

the other factor is denons usually when sold in my country would be region free for DVD, an important requirement for me. the oppo has to be modded etc for both BD/DVD for our region and so ends up costing a lot more here to.

the other player option I am looking at is the pio bd23fd, no idea what its analog side is like. pio are typically region free on dvd here as well and tend to use decent dacs and analog stages in their players too, but something will have to verify with the 23FD. Having owned a pio lx70a before pretty happy wiht the level of quality of the pio players so cant wait to check this one out as well.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 08:01 AM 07-18-2009
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I actually haven't tried, but the manual says it does not on BD's.

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teach, one more quick question - if you remove a dvd does it remember where you left off? only my jvc and oppo have this persistent of dvd resume memory.

on the fence on getting this or another oppo...
teachsac's Avatar teachsac 08:40 AM 07-18-2009
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teach, one more quick question - if you remove a dvd does it remember where you left off? only my jvc and oppo have this persistent of dvd resume memory.

on the fence on getting this or another oppo...

I'll give it a try later and get back to you.

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winston9332's Avatar winston9332 09:24 PM 07-18-2009
any other previous denon bd owners have anecdotal commentary on the PQ difference between denon 2500 or 1800 to the new 2010?
JJHXBR's Avatar JJHXBR 09:00 AM 07-19-2009
Still nobody who has tried the multichannel analog section on the 2010CI?
Would really like to get some feedback on it's performance capabilities.
Isn't anybody buying this unit to work in conjunction with higher end non HDMI receivers?
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 09:28 AM 07-19-2009
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Still nobody who has tried the multichannel analog section on the 2010CI?
Would really like to get some feedback on it's performance capabilities.
Isn't anybody buying this unit to work in conjunction with higher end non HDMI receivers?

best i can tell only three regular posters have bought one. many thanks to teachsac who has been really the only man on the scene at the moment.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 10:12 AM 07-19-2009
Load Times - bit surprised by the powered off Eject Time...slower than previous denon models.

Anybody else confirm these figures? I know most folks aren't buying this player for load times, but I was hoping for some gap closing with the oppo...

Pirates of the Carribbean:
Oppo 83: 21s; 31s
Denon 2010: 40s; 50s (per TeachSAC)
Denon 1800: 44; 1m 3s
Pio 320: 44s; 1m 13s
Denon 2500: 49; 1m 9s

Dark Knight:
Oppo: 16 seconds
Denon 2010: 37 seconds (per TeachSAC)
Pio 320: 42 seconds
Denon 1800: 42 seconds
Denon 2500: 48 seconds

Casino Royale:
Oppo: 16 Seconds
Pio 320: 36 seconds
Denon 2010: 37 seconds (per TeachSAC)
Denon 2500: 39 seconds
Denon 1800: 40 seconds

Eject Time when Powered Off:
Oppo: 2 seconds
Denon 1800: 14 seconds
Denon 2500: 14 seconds
Pio 320: 25 seconds
Denon 2010: 17 seconds (per TeachSAC)
teachsac's Avatar teachsac 11:09 AM 07-19-2009
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Denon 2010: 25 seconds (per TeachSAC)

17 seconds

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TRT's Avatar TRT 11:42 AM 07-19-2009
So much for the load time and video processing comparisons. I guess it boils down to looks for some people. (She has a I.Q. of 10, but she sure is fine!) That kinda' comes to mind

I'd rather save $200 and buy the superior Oppo player. Frankly, I don't care what other people think it looks like. It's a piece of audio/video gear; Not a date for Friday night.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 12:06 PM 07-19-2009
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So much for the load time and video processing comparisons. I guess it boils down to looks for some people. (She has a I.Q. of 10, but she sure is fine!) That kinda' comes to mind

I'd rather save $200 and buy the superior Oppo player. Frankly, I don't care what other people think it looks like. It's a piece of audio/video gear; Not a date for Friday night.

The Denon also lacks zoom on bds, can't force 24fps on dvds, the ability to play sacds, dvdas, and other video files via usb. the Denon should have a better analogue section. Got to say, it's tough for the denon to win on a specs comparison even if prices were equal. Afraid Denon needs to sell these for $400 to compete against the Oppo. Then again, there are a lot of folks who might want a denon to match their receiver/pre-amp.
winston9332's Avatar winston9332 01:52 PM 07-20-2009
Well, I have been on the fence with this player and think i have opted to hold tight on replacing my 2500 with it. From what i can gather, what i gain in load times is given up in a longer time waiting for discs to eject. what i might gain in the abt chip is somewhat given up in less of a tank build quality i love of the 2500. persuade me if i am wrong...
JJaret's Avatar JJaret 03:27 PM 07-20-2009
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Well, I have been on the fence with this player and think i have opted to hold tight on replacing my 2500 with it. From what i can gather, what i gain in load times is given up in a longer time waiting for discs to eject. what i might gain in the abt chip is somewhat given up in less of a tank build quality i love of the 2500. persuade me if i am wrong...

If you are using the player for DVDs, you might want to consider it or the Oppo. If you are just going to watch Blu-rays, I would agree with you.
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