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Looks Like the 560 that is due to ship.http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...CmoreStories.0
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"The BDP-S1000ES also features Sony's HD Reality Enhancer, which Sony claims "continually analyzes the original source bit by bit, sharpening edges and reproducing detail, while reducing the effects of film grain."

I'm definitely going to get this puppy!

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Looks like a single HDMI Joe.
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Never Seen An ES Player This Thin.I Wonder What Their New Flagship ES Player This Year Will Offer.
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Any one know when this sucker is coming out??
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Next month according to press releases.
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At $200.00 more than The Oppo, and not a true universal player; I don't get it
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At $200.00 more than The Oppo, and not a true universal player; I don't get it

Why does everything come down to the Oppo? The street price will probably be less and considering the 5 year warranty and that all bluray pq is similar, I am sure it will be competitive.
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Generally speaking, how do the newer Sony players compare to other models?

I've only owned a Panasonic BD30 and am looking to buy a new player this fall. This new Sony intrigues me, but I haven't been impressed with some of the older models that some of my friends have.

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Why does everything come down to the Oppo? The street price will probably be less and considering the 5 year warranty and that all bluray pq is similar, I am sure it will be competitive.

....cause the Oppo has set the standard at its price point in both performance and value...and as a PS3 owner, I agree. Don't want to be compared to the Oppo.....build a better player at that price point. Just that simple!
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Why does everything come down to the Oppo? The street price will probably be less and considering the 5 year warranty and that all bluray pq is similar, I am sure it will be competitive.

+ If your theory is correct, then the PS3 would be all the BD player anyone could want...Right???
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....cause the Oppo has set the standard at its price point in both performance and value...and as a PS3 owner, I agree. Don't want to be compared to the Oppo.....build a better player at that price point. Just that simple!

Oppo just came out, I don't think any "standard" can be established without a performance track record.
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+ If your theory is correct, then the PS3 would be all the BD player anyone could want...Right???

I would agree except that for me I prefer the look of a standard machine vs. a game console.
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This looks like a bdps560 with analog outs, 5yr warranty, and a bundled 4gb thumb drive. I'm hoping the pq will justify the price difference.
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I'm hoping the pq will justify the price difference.

At best it will be equal to some other of the better players - ones that show no issues reproducing what's on the disc.

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At $200.00 more than The Oppo, and not a true universal player; I don't get it

Here's a news flash about the revered Oppo....at my workplace, we did a shootout with a customer who had just bought the new Oppo BD player with his 2 year old Elite BDP-95. The customer with the Oppo, and everyone at my workplace all agreed....THE ELITE AT TWO YEARS OLD, BLEW THE OPPO OUT OF THE WATER. Sorry folks, but if it sounds too good to be true.....if you want to watch test patterns and feel justified with good 'Secrets of Hi-Fi' benchmark scores, then the Oppo is your player. If you watch video, then slow boot and load times and all, the Elites are still king.
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At $200.00 more than The Oppo, and not a true universal player; I don't get it

And I'd bet good money this Sony will also blow it away, in picture quality if not in forum hoopla BS and benchmark test pattern scores.
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Is it unreasonable to implement standardized test pattterns on BD players to establish which perform most admirably in given areas?

Of course it isn't.

But it sounds sexy/clever to imply that the unit that DOES perform better in these areas with test patterns will be OUTPERFORMED in others. But (sigh), that, in and of itself of course, is illogical.

Thankfully, I have some real-world material that can put players through their paces in respect to given characteristics (the staircase in MI 3 and countless other panning, color, and scaling shots come to mind).

This way, we can point to something other than those "worthless test patterns" when we imply that a given player is a better performer than another.

Oddly enough, my experience has been that the superior performer in the test patterns has ALWAYS performed best with the aforementioned "real-world" material. How insane is that?

what a laugh.

And by the way, I SERIOUSLY doubt any of these players will "blow the others out of the water". They are all top-performing players with only minor idiosyncracies that many times are only revealed using those damn TEST PATTERNS. Not to say you can't make a distinction with RW material, but those distinctions are almost always more easily discerned with the TP's.

Somewhat obviously, the Oppo is mainly widely revered because of the performance it offers at its price point, not becausue it's a 99/100 performer and everything else is an 85.

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Manual and full specs now up on the Sony site. http://www.sonystyle.com/wcsstore/So...set-165760.pdf
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I hope all is well.

Ive owned the Sony BDP-S500 for some time now and always loved the picture quality but was never a big fan of the lack of DTS HD Master Audio. That being said - I purchased a BDP-S560 last week and noticed that the picture quality was not nearly as crisp as the S500. The BDP-S560 - though the DTS Master Audio ability is superior tom the S500 - the Picture Qualty is not up to par.

Am I missing something here? Is thent the BDP-s560 supposed to be better in every regard?

I did noticed that the BDPS-500 has a noticeably larger/heavier build thatn the S560 and that has me a bit worried as well.

Will the new BDP-S1000 es player blow both outof the water in terms of picture quality?
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You seem to be the person with all the answers...

Do you know why the BDP-S500 has a much better picture than the BDP-s560?
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Here's a news flash about the revered Oppo....at my workplace, we did a shootout with a customer who had just bought the new Oppo BD player with his 2 year old Elite BDP-95. The customer with the Oppo, and everyone at my workplace all agreed....THE ELITE AT TWO YEARS OLD, BLEW THE OPPO OUT OF THE WATER. Sorry folks, but if it sounds too good to be true.....if you want to watch test patterns and feel justified with good 'Secrets of Hi-Fi' benchmark scores, then the Oppo is your player. If you watch video, then slow boot and load times and all, the Elites are still king.

Scott, you can't make statements like that , it is like saying something bad about monoprice. Seriously though, I am not surprised at your findings, benchmark scores and real world viewing can certainly differ. Sometimes the difference between one player scoring higher than another comes down to a few areas where a player "failed" that won't show up under normal viewing circumstances. But you will see people choose a player with the higher score even though the other player is a more substantially built component with a better warranty.
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Scott, you can't make statements like that , it is like saying something bad about monoprice. Seriously though, I am not surprised at your findings, benchmark scores and real world viewing can certainly differ. Sometimes the difference between one player scoring higher than another comes down to a few areas where a player "failed" that won't show up under normal viewing circumstances. But you will see people choose a player with the higher score even though the other player is a more substantially built component with a better warranty.

Here's my thing, and I'm really bummed about it, and really pissed off about it. Everybody wants the best thing in the world.....cheap. So manufacturers listen and make cheap stuff but with name brand chipsets or whatever and make people think it's better than previous built like a tank stuff. An earlier post alluded to one of the new Sony's. The new Elite BDP-23 is way smaller than the 05 to say nothing of the 09 and it has a wimpy power cord connector, which is a bummer to those of us who like the boost in performance that a good IEC power cord can provide. Point being, things are gravitating towards being more cheaply built, so manufacturers point to chips and name brand whatevers and if it tests well, well then it must be better......but no. Does anyone really think that a $499 player that can do DVD-Audio, SACD, DVD-Video, Blu-Ray, & CD and uses a name brand processing chip like the Anchor Bay is really optimized for all of those formats? No, clearly not. The Elite was SUBJECTIVELY better, and it was not subtle. This from a customer who WANTED the Oppo to be better since it was soooooo much faster, and Elite's are slower than erosion. Point being, there is no substitute for good, but bad for marketing copy build qualities like a good overbuilt quiet power supply, good circuit layout, superior build quality and internal layout, proper implementation of all tasks, regardless of whether it's a name brand chip that sells when mentioned in reviews. These things show up on screen and to our ears, even if there is not a measurable quality to them. Not everything is about 'Secrets of HT&HF' benchmark scores (not that those don't have SOME value). And it's this same Oppo/Vizio culture that has killed Pioneer Elite plasmas. There was a study done and amongst those who made over $100,000 a year, the average they spent on a new TV was $1,500. No wonder Elite can't make money off plasma when even the well-heeled refuse to pony up for genuine quality. And now once Elite leaves, there really is not a fantastic second option, and so now there are no high performance TV's within reasonable reach of the average consumer (some colleagues who attended Runco training said that there new "Opal" line of plasmas were the best TV image they had ever seen, but priced more than double the Elite's which are being firesold and still aren't selling as fast as such a good product should).

So you asked for it, you got it - cheap stuff that measures well and performs ok, but is completely uninspiring in actual use. Ain't those internets amazing!?!
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