woohoo ! I have sucess ! I hope I havent spoken to soon.
I havent deleted TV/CBL in a huff.
Intsead tried hawke your suggestion here
Kuro Link/Switch Sound to AV
Home Menu/Control Setup/Kuro Link Control/Hold Sound Status = ON
ofcourse with hdmi control TV/CBL no longer can be assigned to hdmi. so assigned the tivo to the SAT input instead.
and it all works seamlessly !
"Watch TV" on the harmony switches the kuro on puts it on the input 5 and SAT is selected on the AVP and I get audio and video wow ! hehe
"Watch DVD" and everything switches on as it should and the 4010 shows the 3 lights with a blu-ray loaded
happy as a pig in pie ! hehe
ps as an aside just thought I'd check the ps3 (slim) hooked up on dvr-2 input works, and yep it still does no hijinks there !
guys I just want to thank you all collectively. Its amazing how with a group of us working together with suggestions going back and forth and people trying things seem to have got there. I had given up at one stage thinking. bloody bleeding edge crap !
In the end I think the kuro with its forest of kuro link settings many of them non sensical in name as much to blame as denons use of hdmi cec for what is completely unnecessary interaction wiht the display.
you know what I had a bit of a thought after getting it all going. just as got it working as it should. denon will probably come through with a firmware fix having it all working a lot simpler without all this settings mallarky and then I have to start again fiddling with the all settings hehe !