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I bet the 4010 puts out a mean S-video picture
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any word on a release date or is it shipping yet?

I contacted my local dealer who contacted his Denon Rep and was told October. Sooner than later I hope. Really looking forward to this one. I pre-ordered one.

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I contacted my local dealer who contacted his Denon Rep and was told October. Sooner than later I hope. Really looking forward to this one. I pre-ordered one.

awesome--agreed the sooner the better
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If you have high end Denon components, and you want a matching BD player, this is the player for you.

In their First Look at the 4010, Audioholics posted today that, quote: "While we don't expect the DBP-4010UDCI to fly off the shelves at this price point, for the user that has to have (almost) everything, or at least wants to match his other high end Denon components, this is the player for them."

www.audioholics.com/
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I contacted my local dealer who contacted his Denon Rep and was told October. Sooner than later I hope. Really looking forward to this one. I pre-ordered one.

That's great news very intersted in reading your impression

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http://www.avclubhouse.com/2009/09/0...n-dbp4010udci/

We are aware it is the smaller brother of the A1 deck. Many carry over features and some scaled down. Uses 24 bit D/A instead of 32 D/A like the A1.

Anyone have any ideas of when this will be released in North America? It's list is said to be $2000 US, but no word yet on the Canadian pricing.
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Is this thing the new of flagship Blu-ray device of Denon.........or is the A1 still the flagship unit???
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is this thing the new of flagship blu-ray device of denon.........or is the a1 still the flagship unit???

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Just got word from my Canadian Denon dealer and they said its listing for $2599 Canadian here.
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Anyone got an insight into this? Manual on page 14 states

Then there is no reason to purchase this lame excuse for a universal player.
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hehe I suspect the big daddy a1 to be more of a reference, particualrly on the analog side of things.

regardless yep this 4010 is pretty significant really for denon first universal player without an out of orbit price tag

if it does stack up to all claimed it could be a good one box replacement for me from the 5000es and denon 2930 that are both serving very competently in their respective roles

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I have a Denon DVD-3930 and recently an Oppo DVB-83.
I prefer in regards of the audio the Denon overall: the Oppo lacks mid-range.
(Reference DVD & Blu-ray: 'The Moody Blues-Lively to see you')

The moiré-pattern of the Oppo isn't OK too by the way (1080P/24).
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From the product sheet point-of-view this new (DBP-4010UDCI) player looks to be very good.

While they have exhibited some functional issues and failures with a selection of universal player product in recent years (ie. DVD-3930CI, DVD-3800BDCI, etc.,...) Denon is always ahead in regards to introducing new technologies. I would hope with the release of this DBP-4010UDCI unit they will bring a more solid functioning universal player to the market based on experience with their previous models.................
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actually I'm digging these latest family of Denon product. I would love to replace my DVD-3930CI with one of these DBP-4010UDCI.

Also curious to see release of new AVP-CIX pre-pro (based on the AVR-4310CI). I'm thinking this unit will hit market around January 2010.

Both these products feature ABT chip.
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The moiré-pattern of the Oppo isn't OK too by the way (1080P/24).


Multi-Region,

What moiré-pattern of the Oppo are you referring to?


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Also curious to see release of new AVP-CIX pre-pro (based on the AVR-4310CI). I'm thinking this unit will hit market around January 2010.

Both these products feature ABT chip.

Since the AVP-CIX has DLPIIZ I hope the up the number of outs to 11.3. Maybe this is the cause for delay?

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Since the AVP-CIX has DLPIIZ I hope the up the number of outs to 11.3. Maybe this is the cause for delay?

why 11.3--who has 3 subs?--why not 11.4? my obsessive personality traits prevent me from being able to appreciate asymmetry

still anxiously awaiting the analog comparisons to the a1!!
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why 11.3--who has 3 subs?--why not 11.4? my obsessive personality traits prevent me from being able to appreciate asymmetry

still anxiously awaiting the analog comparisons to the a1!!

Stereo subs + LFE is one possible configuration for 3 subs.
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Stereo subs + LFE is one possible configuration for 3 subs.

hmmm, very interesting, 3 subs? Was'nt sure if IwantmyTHX was [really] referring to "11.3". I've never seen such a configuration before, and have'nt heard any speculation in regards to this being implemented into this new pre-pro unit.
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hmmm, very interesting, 3 subs? Was'nt sure if IwantmyTHX was [really] referring to "11.3". I've never seen such a configuration before, and have'nt heard any speculation in regards to this being implemented into this new pre-pro unit.

To name 2 products that support 3 subs, the Lexicon MC-12 and Denon AVP. Both support 3 subs as Left/Right/LFE - the AVP supports other configurations too. Read around on these forums and you'll find more than a few people using more than 1 sub. Not so sure about the 11 part of 11.3 though - 12 total channels would cover the "normal" 5.1 or 7.1 channel configuration with the possibility of a 9.3 configuration (adding the new height speakers and 2 more subs). Personally, I'm good with my current 7.1 config - not sure I'm crazy about adding height speakers and I don't think I really have the floor space for additional subs.
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To name 2 products that support 3 subs, the Lexicon MC-12 and Denon AVP. Both support 3 subs as Left/Right/LFE - the AVP supports other configurations too. Read around on these forums and you'll find more than a few people using more than 1 sub. Not so sure about the 11 part of 11.3 though - 12 total channels would cover the "normal" 5.1 or 7.1 channel configuration with the possibility of a 9.3 configuration (adding the new height speakers and 2 more subs). Personally, I'm good with my current 7.1 config - not sure I'm crazy about adding height speakers and I don't think I really have the floor space for additional subs.

hehe i have 4--i was just being impish
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anyone started a thread on the new prepro?
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I chose 11.3 to from the 4810, though it looks like it is really just 11.1 with 2 extra preamp outs for more subs.
While I am dreaming I'd also love it if they stepped up to AL32 as well (no I really don't need that)
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anyone started a thread on the new prepro?

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Anyone got an insight into this? Manual on page 14 states
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Super Audio CD audio signals are output at 44.1 kHz/16-bit when the HDMI output is used

OK, I haven't actually looked at the manual yet, but that statement worries me, because:

1. Outputting SACD as 16/44.1 PCM would defeat most of the purpose of SACD.

2. I couldn't output SACD as bit stream, because my preamp will not decode DSD.

3. Analog seems like the only legitimate option.

However, if I used analog and applied bass management in the player (which I would), then the signal would have to be converted to PCM first. Doesn't this make you suspect that the 4010 might be converting from DSD to 16/44.1 PCM, processing it, then converting that to analog? How can we know? If so, then it'd be pointless as an SACD player. If it's "universal" and it purports to support high-resolution, why can't it just process (and output) converted DSD at 24/96 or 24/192?

EDIT: One more thing: Any word on this this player making it's way over to the Marantz side?

EDIT 2: Now that I look at the Marantz line, there's a distinct hole between the BD7004 and the UD9004, and one might guess what the "UD8004" will be.
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OK, I haven't actually looked at the manual yet, but that statement worries me, because:

1. Outputting SACD as 16/44.1 PCM would defeat most of the purpose of SACD.

2. I couldn't output SACD as bit stream, because my preamp will not decode DSD.

3. Analog seems like the only legitimate option.

However, if I used analog and applied bass management in the player (which I would), then the signal would have to be converted to PCM first. Doesn't this make you suspect that the 4010 might be converting from DSD to 16/44.1 PCM, processing it, then converting that to analog? How can we know? If so, then it'd be pointless as an SACD player. If it's "universal" and it purports to support high-resolution, why can't it just process (and output) converted DSD at 24/96 or 24/192?

EDIT: One more thing: Any word on this this player making it's way over to the Marantz side?

EDIT 2: Now that I look at the Marantz line, there's a distinct hole between the BD7004 and the UD9004, and one might guess what the "UD8004" will be.

no worries only downconverted to 16 bit over hdmi--converted high res to analog and yes i assume it will have a marantz equiv with 3 yr warranty but no firmwre updates by user...
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hmmm, very interesting, 3 subs? Was'nt sure if IwantmyTHX was [really] referring to "11.3". I've never seen such a configuration before, and have'nt heard any speculation in regards to this being implemented into this new pre-pro unit.

Yep. I have mine set up with stereo subs and the third pre-out goes to another amp for my bass shakers -- ButtKickers.

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no worries only downconverted to 16 bit over hdmi--converted high res to analog and yes i assume it will have a marantz equiv with 3 yr warranty but no firmwre updates by user...

Thanks.

Now that I've done a bit more browsing, it turns out that Marantz announced the UD8004 ($2,200) during the summer the same time it announced the mammoth UD9004. The 8004, like the 4010, just isn't available yet.

I've bought a few Denon players in the the past. What's the premium (in this case a small one) get you for Marantz? Casing? Name? Anything else?
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OK, I haven't actually looked at the manual yet, but that statement worries me, because:

1. Outputting SACD as 16/44.1 PCM would defeat most of the purpose of SACD.

2. I couldn't output SACD as bit stream, because my preamp will not decode DSD.

3. Analog seems like the only legitimate option.

The SACD downconversion for HDMI output is curious. But the digital audio raison d'etre for the Denon DBP-4010UDCI is Denon Link 4th Edition (at a lower price point than that of the Denon DVD-A1UDCI). If you cannot use Denon Link for lack of other compatible equipment, then what is your particular interest in this player? Look into the OPPO BDP-83 if you require Blu-ray capability. Via HDMI 1.3, it will output SACD as native DSD or decimated PCM (24 bit 88.1 kHz).

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The SACD downconversion for HDMI output is curious. But the digital audio raison d'etre for the Denon DBP-4010UDCI is Denon Link 4th Edition (at a lower price point than that of the Denon DVD-A1UDCI). If you cannot use Denon Link for lack of other compatible equipment, then what is your particular interest in this player? Look into the OPPO BDP-83 if you require Blu-ray capability. Via HDMI 1.3, it will output SACD as native DSD or decimated PCM (24 bit 88.1 kHz).

Um, I already own the Oppo.

I'm actually more interested in the near-sister Marantz UD8004, because its hefty build quality fits in nicely with my hefty separates. The Marantz (I think) lacks an interface equivalent to Denon Link.

The Oppo is probably going upstairs to the bedroom.
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Um, I already own the Oppo.

As do I. For that reason, I am interested in the Denon exclusively because I am also in the market for a Denon AVR (or pre/pro) w/ Denon Link 4th, which is the primary digital audio/video advantage the Denon has over the OPPO. The OPPO is no slouch in regards to build quality, but the Denon does appear to get the better of the OPPO there, too. Otherwise, both players implement the same Anchor Bay ABT2010 video processing solution. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, yes?

Based upon DACs, the OPPO could have arguably the better analog two channel output via a dedicated Cirrus Logic CS4398 two channel DAC, while the Denon could be the superior player for analog multichannel output, as its multiple discrete Burr Brown PCM-1796 two channel DACs should trump the lone Cirrus Logic CS4382 eight channel DAC in the OPPO.

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I'm actually more interested in the near-sister Marantz UD8004, because its hefty build quality fits in nicely with my hefty separates. The Marantz (I think) lacks an interface equivalent to Denon Link.

Correct. Marantz has no Denon Link equivalent. On very select (and, necessarily, paired) equipment, Sony incorporates HATS, and Pioneer includes PQLS, respectively -- both IEEE 1394 based (i.e. FireWire or i.Link) secure, clock controlled digital links. Other similar digital audio interfaces are limited largely to the uber high end (e.g. Meridian, dCS).

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