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post #1081 of 1248 Old 09-30-2012, 11:58 AM
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^Congrats and I'm glad the 4010 issue has resolved so nicely for you.

I find the DBPA100->AVR A100 via DL to yield the best SQ I've ever had, and it's simply superb.

If you are so inclined, could you please check whether the AVP properly handles MC SACD LFE track when sent DSD bitstream via DL from this player? My AVR A100 apparently does not. See this thread for details. If you happen to have one of the few MC SACDs that have the test tones it's easy, but can be done without.

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^Congrats and I'm glad the 4010 issue has resolved so nicely for you.
I find the DBPA100->AVR A100 via DL to yield the best SQ I've ever had, and it's simply superb.
If you are so inclined, could you please check whether the AVP properly handles MC SACD LFE track when sent DSD bitstream via DL from this player? My AVR A100 apparently does not. See this thread for details. If you happen to have one of the few MC SACDs that have the test tones it's easy, but can be done without.

Yes, I am very pleased with the DBPA100 audio both over DL and there seems to be a small improvement with DL4 for Blu Ray. The center channel seems to be cleaner/more intellegable when compared to my Denon 3800BDCI. Unfortunately I do not have an SACD test disc. However, Denon provided a software upgrade for the AVP A1HD that fixed its SACD LF issue just a few months ago. Based upon all the SACD's that I have listened to using DL3/4 between the DBPA100 and the AVP the LF levels sound the same as DL3 using my Denon 5900 and AVP after the software upgrade. Before the AVP software fix the SACD LF levels were about 10dB low.

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+1 glad to hear that the DBP-A100 is working out good for you with your AVP.
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Anyone have trouble playing Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengence and Cabin in the Woods rentals? I'm getting the dreaded "No Disc" error. Yes, latest firmware is installed. Discs are clean and undamaged.

I've had issues with other discs, sometimes power-cycling unit makes the disc come back, but in this case not. I've also tried the other monkey-dances: with/without SD card and network connection. The discs play fine in my PS3. Other discs like Wanderlust, LOTR, Star Wars, are still playing fine in my DBP-A100.
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Anyone have trouble playing Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengence and Cabin in the Woods rentals? I'm getting the dreaded "No Disc" error. Yes, latest firmware is installed. Discs are clean and undamaged.
I've had issues with other discs, sometimes power-cycling unit makes the disc come back, but in this case not. I've also tried the other monkey-dances: with/without SD card and network connection. The discs play fine in my PS3. Other discs like Wanderlust, LOTR, Star Wars, are still playing fine in my DBP-A100.

Both are being shipped. Will try when they arrive.
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^Congrats and I'm glad the 4010 issue has resolved so nicely for you.
I find the DBPA100->AVR A100 via DL to yield the best SQ I've ever had, and it's simply superb.
If you are so inclined, could you please check whether the AVP properly handles MC SACD LFE track when sent DSD bitstream via DL from this player? My AVR A100 apparently does not. See this thread for details. If you happen to have one of the few MC SACDs that have the test tones it's easy, but can be done without.

When I ordered my DBP-4310 I was told it did SACD but not DVD-A. Later, reviewing the manual it said nothing about SACDs then checked on line and same. Does the 4310 do SACDs and if so, stereo and/or multi-channel?

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When I ordered my DBP-4310 I was told it did SACD but not DVD-A. Later, reviewing the manual it said nothing about SACDs then checked on line and same. Does the 4310 do SACDs and if so, stereo and/or multi-channel?

Are you referring to the DBP-4010 or the AVR-4310.

The DBP-4010 does SACD's . Both stereo and multi-channel.

It will downconvert if it is sent over HDMI but will send DSD over Denon Link.
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Are you referring to the DBP-4010 or the AVR-4310.
The DBP-4010 does SACD's . Both stereo and multi-channel.
It will downconvert if it is sent over HDMI but will send DSD over Denon Link.

I am referring to bluray player. I had it hooked up via HDMI and when I played a SACD disk (guessing 2 yrs ago) it sounded like a plain CD so I went on line and it does not list anything on SACD. So does it work via coax or analog? If so, why does it not list SACD? This player is currently with my Integra DHC-80.3.

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^Jim, if you are refering to the DBP4010 Universal player, it is indeed a universal player. I don't know how you could miss this basic info in the OM but p3 lists all media it plays, including DVDA, SACD, HDCD, etc.
p5 has more details on SACD as does p 37.
MC SACD is output through DL as bitstreamed DSD, via HDMI as PCM 44.1 (p. 14), and via 7.1 analog. But not via coax (p. 16).

As bbar mentioned, HDMI from this player is not nearly as good as DL for MC music. You will not be able to take advantage of sending via DL (jitter-free) without a Denon AVR and that is indeed the best SQ I've heard. I bet if you hooked it up "old school" analog it would also sound great, as the player's DACs are very good.

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^Jim, I have had the 4010 and now own the DBP-A100 (basically the same player). Both provide excelllent audio quality by bit streaming over DL3 or DL4 (HDMI) for all audio formats including SACD DSD. See my earlier comments above.

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^Jim, if you are refering to the DBP4010 Universal player, it is indeed a universal player. I don't know how you could miss this basic info in the OM but p3 lists all media it plays, including DVDA, SACD, HDCD, etc.
p5 has more details on SACD as does p 37.
MC SACD is output through DL as bitstreamed DSD, via HDMI as PCM 44.1 (p. 14), and via 7.1 analog. But not via coax (p. 16).
As bbar mentioned, HDMI from this player is not nearly as good as DL for MC music. You will not be able to take advantage of sending via DL (jitter-free) without a Denon AVR and that is indeed the best SQ I've heard. I bet if you hooked it up "old school" analog it would also sound great, as the player's DACs are very good.

Brain dead. Traveling and sneaking in posts and just realized I confused models, I have the 2010, not 4010 in the Bluray which explains it all. Sorry.

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Both are being shipped. Will try when they arrive.

Did they play in your unit? Thanks
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Well it looks like all blu-ray discs have stopped playing in my player. I tried the maxell vortex cleaner disc (no brush to contact lens) to no avail. It seems the laser must be burning out or is mis-aligned, so I'm going to have to send the player off for repair.
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I am an A100 owner too sorry to read your post and bad situation.
Do you mind me asking how long you've had yours and the approximate
timeline of the dreaded "no disc" w/bluray?
I've been pretty lucky so far, but only had mine since May...
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I am an A100 owner too sorry to read your post and bad situation.
Do you mind me asking how long you've had yours and the approximate
timeline of the dreaded "no disc" w/bluray?
I've been pretty lucky so far, but only had mine since May...

I've had it for about a year. It was a demo unit, but it's immaculate. Not sure if it was left on\playing all the time when it was in demo, but the manufacture date was sept. 2010.

It's had intermittent "no disc" issues since I first received it, but I always assumed the unit was just quirky, as trying different combos of sd card, or power cycling would get any disc to play. Over the last couple of months, more discs were not playing, then it seemed to fail altogether. The brushless cleaner disc I previously mentioned didn't bring the blu-ray functionality back, so I was set to return for warranty service.

Now, I did something that I'm not sure everyone would agree with, but I went ahead and very carefully shot some extreme clean duster into the open tray. I've run at least 4 different blu-rays through without an issue since then. A professional disassembly, inspection, and cleaning would probably be better, but I'm just going to see how long she'll go without acting up. I'll let you know how it goes.
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I have read posts from other owners who used the compressed air method
and it does seem to help, at least for a while. I don't think I would have bought
this unit without the 100th anniversary 5 year factory warranty. Mine was NIB
with a Nov 2010 build date. Hope that your unit continues to play bluray OK, let
us know how things go. There's a few of us here using this model, perhaps we can
be of some help.
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Sorry been away.

Yes Ghost Rider loaded fine and cabin in the woods is a no show and they have re-shipped.
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Question on James Bond Blurays. Anyone have issues with James Bond bluray remasters on the Denon 4010 or other bluray machines? "spy who loved me" loads and plays for a bit but then I get colors breaking up and blocking. My other blu's seem ok. That's why I am asking about some of the more recent James Bond bluray releases. I wonder if certain discs can load but still not play right on bluray players? I will try some more blus that have played right in the 4010 previously, but so far only a couple of the more recent james Bond Target and best buy "exclusive" discs have done the break up thing. Other than that I've had maybe a dozen or so read errors with DVD or bluray, but played right on reload. For the record I have not had a bluray machine that was not "buggy" in some way.
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Yes, indeed you will. I am a former DVD-3800BDCI owner and this is the best Denon player I've ever owned, Video wise, the scaler in the 4010 or A-100 (which I own) does an amazing job in up converting DVD's. Some of my well mastered DVD's look almost BD like. There is a real sence of depth, that the 3800bdci never came close to giving me. BD's load a lot quicker, set up is a breeze and there is no audio lag if your using the 7.1 pre-outs. BD video quality is much better, sharper and more pronounced.
The thing that I was floored by is the sonic quality of the player JUST PLAYING CD'S.
I don't know if Denon is still using Burr Brown DAC's, but whatever they're using, (to me) its on par with the old beast, Sony's SACD-1. I'm far from being an audiophile, but in the past three weeks, Ive spent just as much time listening to music: CD, DVD Audio, SACD and BD Concerts. I was blown away when I put in my old Boz Scaggs "Hits" album. I thought it was a hybrid disc and I didn't change the layer to stereo.
Love it!!! biggrin.gif Grab a DBP-A100 and listen to music all over again. Throw in a BD every now and again to feed the beast.

there is an audio lag with A-100?
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I have had absolutely no audio lag with my A100 using any output format...HDMI, Denon Link 3/4, stereo analog and 7.1 analog all work fine, no delays or sync problems.
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I have had absolutely no audio lag with my A100 using any output format...HDMI, Denon Link 3/4, stereo analog and 7.1 analog all work fine, no delays or sync problems.
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The A100 player drawer sounds a bit clunkier to me than prior. It functions as before; it rarely will not see that there's a disc in ("no disc") and occasionally will balk at changing layers on a SACD, both are easily fixed by a simple reopen and close the drawer.

It's never been as quiet and smooth as the Oppos I had. However, come to think of it, the sound may simply be more obvious because of the new AV cabinet-the resonances and acoustics are different.

What do you guys think, might I have reason to be concerned that a service may be in my future?

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The A100 player drawer sounds a bit clunkier to me than prior. It functions as before; it rarely will not see that there's a disc in ("no disc") and occasionally will balk at changing layers on a SACD, both are easily fixed by a simple reopen and close the drawer.

It's never been as quiet and smooth as the Oppos I had. However, come to think of it, the sound may simply be more obvious because of the new AV cabinet-the resonances and acoustics are different.

What do you guys think, might I have reason to be concerned that a service may be in my future?

I also own the Denon 3800 and 5900, the A100 drawer is smoother and quiter than both, however all their the load times are fairly poor. It gives me time to get the popcorn and wine biggrin.gif

If it is under warranty it may be worth sending it back to check the transport. My 5900 was out of warranty when it started to have similar problems with SACD's and the cost of replacing the transport was just not worth it. That is one of the reasons, plus DL4, and the 5 year warranty that I bought the A100.

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Sometimes with certain discs (usually BD, but also some RBCDs & SACDs) it will sound like my A100 is "struggling" a bit while loading the disc (yes, long load times)...I have noticed this and I share your concern. Is your drawer cllunky sounding when opening and closing? Or is it after the drawer closes and the unit is loading the disc? In my case, it seems to be more the latter...like you I've experienced occasional SACD layer change and "no disc" errors. Cleaning the disc, reopening and closing drawer and/or power cycling usually will fix any problem I've had so far. I'm really not 100% sure if the clunkiness has worsened or if I just "notice" it more as time goes on....it does vary from to disc to disc. I will sometimes also hear a "clunk" when changing tracks on a disc i.e simply advancing to next song on a RBCD. But every player I've ever had has produced some noises at times and I must say while the disc is actually playing I very rarely will hear any fan or transport noise (my player is located out in the open pretty close to MLP).
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The operation of my A100 drawer is virtually silent when opening and closing. I also never hear any noises when it changes between either layers or tracks etc. What you describe sounds a littel suspicious as none of my players create any sounds when doing these operations, even if I am standing next to it. All I get is a vert gentle "bump" as the drawer either opens or closes. I can hear the spindle motor engage and then a very soft sound as the laser loads and positions itself, after that I hear nothing other than the gentle whir of the spindle motor.

The only time I get a lot of noise from the spindel motor and/or laser sled mechansim is with my 5900 when it cannot find the DSD layer on an SACD. It really gets messed up and judders/clicks and the spindle motor "hunts". I have to turn it off and then press eject when I turn it back on to get the disc to eject.

Maybe your transport is just noisy but my A100 is not, nor have I seen anything referencing it on this thread.

Really, if you are still in warranty I think you should consider having one of the major factory authorised service centers like the one here in NJ take a look at it, not one of the smaller service centers.

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Actually I have 2 DBP-A100s I tend to not post that but your advice is well taken. Both were purchased within the past year from an AD so I do have the 5 year warranty. The noises I'm reporting are intermittent and vary a lot from disc to disc. I've recently had to send an AVR-4310 to NJ so hoping that's not in my future or Sound of Mind's future irt the DBP-A100. Glad to hear your unit is performing good, for the most part that has been my experience as well.
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Mine was purchased used and reportedly had just had the drawer/loader replaced under warranty. As I recall from the outset it looked more robust than my Oppo. Of course it was much slower loading as the Oppo. It was also not as quiet. I think it's slightly louder now, a year later. There is slight drawer noise, then some soft clunks. That really doesn't bother me as it's 10' away and I hear nothing during playback.

But it just doesn't seem right, based on Digione's report. I'll look around to make sure I can find the original receipt. Fortunately I have an excellent local Denon authorized service center. They replaced my NIC on the AVR 4310 in a day.

Thanks, guys.

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I joined this site after reading a lot of this specific thread, lots of help and kind people in here, just the place to be when you have a problem... I have a problem that might just be an incompatiability issue, but I was hopeful someone could shed some light on it.

First of all, I just bought the DBP-4010UDCI, I've had it 3 days now, and I hooked it up via HDMI only last night to try out with SkyFall. First impressions are it looks fantastic, much better upscaling on Beverly Hills Cop DVD than my DVD-3930CI or my BT2500... Speaking of, when I played BHC on my DVD 3930, it wouldnt play in 5.1, only 2.0. In 5.1 you could hear music but no voices, which was wierd I thought, but maybe just a software bug... It did that with ALL DVDs... I had to play them in 2.0 and have the pre-amp run in Dolby PL or DTS Neo...

Last night on the 4010, BHC played on it's own perfectly and sounding amazing in DD 5.1, which the 3930 never did... So first off, score for the better PG and the SQ working!!!

On to the problem Im having. Tried Skyfall, and it WILL NOT play in DTS MA, it only outputs a 2 channel downmix that again my amp wants to play in DPL or DTS Neo6. I spent about 3 hours changing every setting on the amp, but it always says D.Mix on the unit on the bottom right corner with the DTS HD logo lit up above it.

I have no idea why it is doing this, so I tried Spiderman 3 which was an old disc and a fast grab. Same thing, downmix 2.0... In my BT2500 they both play in DTS MA HD like they should. I have the 4010 set to HD audio in the pop up menu as suggested, it didnt change anything. I also set the BD audio to LPCM stream, and Auto, and 2 channel, and all the same result...

How I have it hooked up is HDMI out, into a DVDO Edge Green, then HDMI video leaved the Edge into my Toshiba and optical 5.1 back to my Krell HTS 7.1 Pre Pro. I KNOW that a toslink wont carry the BD audio codecs, but it should at least play in regular DTS or DD 5.1 as my 2500 BTCI does... They are both hooked up the same, HDMI out into the Edge etc... They even have the same HDMI cables which are Audioquest HDMI 3s, which are a few years old but both work. The signal obviosuly works on DVDs, just unsure why it's having problems with sending proper channels out through the BD movies. Going to try a few more movies today, but 0 for 2 seems like something is confused in the setup.

Hopeful someone will come to my aid and tell me something I am missing. The good thing is I havent had any problems with it not reading any discs... It sounded phenominal in SACD downscale mode through the HDMI last night, played 4-5 discs, Celion Dion's Decade, Peter Gabriel's So, Toto's IV, J-Lo's original album On 6th something aruther... lol All sounded incredible to the point I didnt know it wasnt true SACD sound until I did my 3-4 hours of reading all I could in the setup!

Should I just not give anymore trouble to this and just "mute" the hdmi and hook up my 7.1 analog outputs? This is the reason I bought the player to begin with, just dont want to let this go if it is something wrong and be stuck with it being busted in the future if I move it into the bedroom or something. From all what I read it looks like this might be one of their last great players (at least for a while). Maybe they are tooling up for a Reference 4k upscaler... :-) One can only hope I guess, right?

Thanks again for any help.
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Welcome to AVS forum! On your remote (do this AFTER loading a Blu-ray disc) press MODE...you should see on your display a menu that includes "HD Audio Mode" the default setting is "Mix Audio Output" CHANGE THIS TO "HD AUDIO OUTPUT"...all other settings within this menu can be left at their defaults, you may want to confirm this by referencing the owner's manual (Various Settings Pg 32)...I have a DBP-A100 which is identical to the 4010, I'm assuming that's the right page # in your 4010's owner's manual...
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I joined this site after reading a lot of this specific thread, lots of help and kind people in here, just the place to be when you have a problem... I have a problem that might just be an incompatiability issue, but I was hopeful someone could shed some light on it.

First of all, I just bought the DBP-4010UDCI, I've had it 3 days now, and I hooked it up via HDMI only last night to try out with SkyFall. First impressions are it looks fantastic, much better upscaling on Beverly Hills Cop DVD than my DVD-3930CI or my BT2500... Speaking of, when I played BHC on my DVD 3930, it wouldnt play in 5.1, only 2.0. In 5.1 you could hear music but no voices, which was wierd I thought, but maybe just a software bug... It did that with ALL DVDs... I had to play them in 2.0 and have the pre-amp run in Dolby PL or DTS Neo...

Last night on the 4010, BHC played on it's own perfectly and sounding amazing in DD 5.1, which the 3930 never did... So first off, score for the better PG and the SQ working!!!

On to the problem Im having. Tried Skyfall, and it WILL NOT play in DTS MA, it only outputs a 2 channel downmix that again my amp wants to play in DPL or DTS Neo6. I spent about 3 hours changing every setting on the amp, but it always says D.Mix on the unit on the bottom right corner with the DTS HD logo lit up above it.

I have no idea why it is doing this, so I tried Spiderman 3 which was an old disc and a fast grab. Same thing, downmix 2.0... In my BT2500 they both play in DTS MA HD like they should. I have the 4010 set to HD audio in the pop up menu as suggested, it didnt change anything. I also set the BD audio to LPCM stream, and Auto, and 2 channel, and all the same result...

How I have it hooked up is HDMI out, into a DVDO Edge Green, then HDMI video leaved the Edge into my Toshiba and optical 5.1 back to my Krell HTS 7.1 Pre Pro. I KNOW that a toslink wont carry the BD audio codecs, but it should at least play in regular DTS or DD 5.1 as my 2500 BTCI does... They are both hooked up the same, HDMI out into the Edge etc... They even have the same HDMI cables which are Audioquest HDMI 3s, which are a few years old but both work. The signal obviosuly works on DVDs, just unsure why it's having problems with sending proper channels out through the BD movies. Going to try a few more movies today, but 0 for 2 seems like something is confused in the setup.

Hopeful someone will come to my aid and tell me something I am missing. The good thing is I havent had any problems with it not reading any discs... It sounded phenominal in SACD downscale mode through the HDMI last night, played 4-5 discs, Celion Dion's Decade, Peter Gabriel's So, Toto's IV, J-Lo's original album On 6th something aruther... lol All sounded incredible to the point I didnt know it wasnt true SACD sound until I did my 3-4 hours of reading all I could in the setup!

Should I just not give anymore trouble to this and just "mute" the hdmi and hook up my 7.1 analog outputs? This is the reason I bought the player to begin with, just dont want to let this go if it is something wrong and be stuck with it being busted in the future if I move it into the bedroom or something. From all what I read it looks like this might be one of their last great players (at least for a while). Maybe they are tooling up for a Reference 4k upscaler... :-) One can only hope I guess, right?

Thanks again for any help.
Matt
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