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DBP-4010UDCI: ** COMING SOON ** Reference ‘Universal’ Blu-ray Disc Player











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DBP-4010UDCI

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With Denon’s latest DBP-4010UDCI universal disc player, you’ll be able to enjoy superb audio and video playback with all of the discs in your music and video collection, including Blu-ray, DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD and music CD, along with Kodak and Fuji picture disc capabilities for added flexibility. Featuring Denon’s advanced Separated Unit Structure chassis architecture, the DBP-4010UDCI is equipped with state-of-the-art ABT VRS video processing, which includes i/p upconversion and precision video scaling along with SD and HD digital video noise reduction and multi-cadence detection, along with a full suite of picture adjustment controls for optimum image clarity. The audio sections include full 7.1 analog outputs with fully configurable bass management powered by Denon’s DDSC-HD dual 32 bit SHARC processors along with a separate stereo downmix analog output that features its own 24 bit D/A conversion. Incorporating BD-Live (via Ethernet), the DBP-4010UDCI is the world’s first player to feature built-in web browser and remote access capabilities, allowing iPhone and iPod Touch remote control via LAN/network as well as installer remote setup and configuration functionality.
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so it looks like this unit does have the same video processing as the 2010? looks like the 4010 may be missing NSV but it is hard to tell from the website--if anyone knows how the video on teh 2010 and the 4010 differ with some precision it would likely be something many would be interested in--seems like this may be a popular unit given that it is a udp esp among the oppo skeptic crowd.
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so it looks like this unit does have the same video processing as the 2010? looks like the 4010 may be missing NSV but it is hard to tell from the website--if anyone knows how the video on teh 2010 and the 4010 differ with some precision it would likely be something many would be interested in--seems like this may be a popular unit given that it is a udp esp among the oppo skeptic crowd.

wasn't it revealed that the 2010 didn't actually use the VRS 2010 chip, rather it used the lesser 10xx series? I believe the 4010 was to receive the actual 2010 processor.
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wasn't it revealed that the 2010 didn't actually use the VRS 2010 chip, rather it used the lesser 10xx series? I believe the 4010 was to receive the actual 2010 processor.

BDP-2010 uses ABT-1030 and DBP-4010UD uses ABT-2010

PDF-product sheet Denon BDP-4010UD
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BDP-2010 uses ABT-1030 and DBP-4010UD uses ABT-2010

PDF-product sheet Denon BDP-4010UD

same chip as the oppo and in a number of the denon receivers.
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wow--seems like an audiophile version of the oppo. anyone know a release date?
bb dac's all around? which ones?
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So is VRS better then HQV is that why there using it on the 4010UDCI but there still using HQV on there A1
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So is VRS better then HQV is that why there using it on the 4010UDCI but there still using HQV on there A1

not sure i understand--why would they use an inferior chip on a more expensive player?

I think that people have their favorites but both are top notch chips--clearly denon feels that the hqv processing is a step above--besides it looks bad enough that they have the same video processor in their $2k unit as the $500 oppo but utilizing the same one in their 4.5 k unit would be a bit embarassing--then again lexicon is going to be pawning their oppo rebadge for 3k or more so I guess there is just no shame in the industry to begin with...
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Anyone got an insight into this? Manual on page 14 states

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Super Audio CD audio signals are output at 44.1 kHz/16-bit when the HDMI ouput is used


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not sure i understand--why would they use an inferior chip on a more expensive player?

I think that people have their favorites but both are top notch chips--clearly denon feels that the hqv processing is a step above--besides it looks bad enough that they have the same video processor in their $2k unit as the $500 oppo but utilizing the same one in their 4.5 k unit would be a bit embarassing--then again lexicon is going to be pawning their oppo rebadge for 3k or more so I guess there is just no shame in the industry to begin with...

I just bought the 3800 because it was so cheap I got the 3800 the same price as the Oppo and all the extra stuff on the 4010 I would not use. And also doesn't the A1 use HQV Also so if the VRS is better the oppo is better then the A1
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Where did you find the '3800 for the same price as the Oppo?

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Where did you find the '3800 for the same price as the Oppo?

I bought it online at Price USA I have not got it yet am still waiting on it
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Anyone got an insight into this? Manual on page 14 states [...]

Where did you find the manual?

EDIT: Never mind, already found it at http://www.usa.denon.com/DBP-4010UDCI-OM-E_000A.pdf
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Finally, a better priced player then the flagship one. I could see this one being a part of my setup.

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Does Vertical Stretch also like the A1

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Does Vertical Stretch also like the A1

I know the Oppo does vertical Stretch Also I think the 3800 does also.
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I know the Oppo does vertical Stretch Also I think the 3800 does also.

I did not know the 3800 did vertical stretch.

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I did not know the 3800 did vertical stretch.

I come across it when I was researching on the 3800 before I bought it.
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Anyone got an insight into this? Manual on page 14 states

i assume that like the a1 they (denon) assume youll be using denonlink or analog--high res over hdmi would give people the option of utilizing a non denon avr or prepro. it does seem a bit presumptuous to me esp this day in age and without the same akm dacs and truly balanced analog in the a1. but then again im a consumer not a company trying to sell products in a recession...

nonetheles, seems to me if they had this machine when i got my sony 5000 i would have gone for it without a second thought over the sony or pioneer 09 esp with 3d on the horizon.
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I come across it when I was researching on the 3800 before I bought it.

If the 3800 does vertical stretch, then that is for sure news to me...
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If the 3800 does vertical stretch, then that is for sure news to me...

Yes you can do it, there a bit more adjustments on the 3800 over the oppo Also ,I come across a page with all the stuff you can do on it If I come across that page again I will give you a link
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i think the 3800 at the going prices is quite a steal given the innards and build quality, especially given the vertical stretch (which was new to me as well). it will be great to see how the hqv in the 3800 compares to the 2010 chipset in the 4010. really the 4010 will be a 5910 with blu ray capability--cant wait for this thing to show up!

so the 2010 chipset in the 4010--this does both scaling and deinterlacing, correct? or is it limited to scaling as in the lower end models?

also it looks like the disk drawer is similar to the much touted one in the a1--anyone know if the loading tray is the same?
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Yes you can do it, there a bit more adjustments on the 3800 over the oppo Also ,I come across a page with all the stuff you can do on it If I come across that page again I will give you a link

I read here on the forum a year ago that the 3800 did a wrong type of vertical stretch...?
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i think the 3800 at the going prices is quite a steal given the innards and build quality, especially given the vertical stretch (which was new to me as well). it will be great to see how the hqv in the 3800 compares to the 2010 chipset in the 4010. really the 4010 will be a 5910 with blu ray capability--cant wait for this thing to show up!

so the 2010 chipset in the 4010--this does both scaling and deinterlacing, correct? or is it limited to scaling as in the lower end models?

also it looks like the disk drawer is similar to the much touted one in the a1--anyone know if the loading tray is the same?

I do not think the 4010 will be as good as the 5910 for DVD Playback because the 5910 use HQV and VRS one does deinterlacing and the other does scaling, the 4010 only uses VRS to do both
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I do not think the 4010 will be as good as the 5910 for DVD Playback because the 5910 use HQV and VRS one does deinterlacing and the other does scaling, the 4010 only uses VRS to do both

good point! quite a steal at the going rate (5910)
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good point! quite a steal at the going rate (5910)

I have my 3800 coming, Am going to do same test I have a DVDO EDGE Video Processor that has 2010ABT VRS Processor am going to but the 3800 through the EDGE and then try the 3800 by not going through the EDGE,

There a few People that say the HQV is superior to VRS so I will have to see for my self, I was going for a Oppo at $499 and then a came across the 3800 for $810 like am saving $1190 on this and the look compared to the oppo is awesome.
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I have my 3800 coming, Am going to do same test I have a DVDO EDGE Video Processor that has 2010ABT VRS Processor am going to but the 3800 through the EDGE and then try the 3800 by not going through the EDGE,

There a few People that say the HQV is superior to VRS so I will have to see for my self, I was going for a Oppo at $499 and then a came across the 3800 for $810 like am saving $1190 on this and the look compared to the oppo is awesome.

looking forward to your results
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Denon web site says thst 4010 is: "Reference 'Universal' Blu-ray Disc Player". I compared some specs and features with A1 and they differ in construction and A1 using HQV but the price difference is huge. A1 is $4,500 while 4010 is under 2K. Both play all formats and upconvert DVDs.
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Denon web site says thst 4010 is: "Reference 'Universal' Blu-ray Disc Player". I compared some specs and features with A1 and they differ in construction and A1 using HQV but the price difference is huge. A1 is $4,500 while 4010 is under 2K. Both play all formats and upconvert DVDs.

all true. so there are 2 ref models--one with abt the other with realta, one with balanced outs and akm dac's versus bb and no balanced. apparently denon believes they are both reference quality. will be interesting to compare them side by side when the 4010 comes out.

any word on a release date or is it shipping yet?
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