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There's a new piece coming that will have balanced connections. Not sure if it's released yet. The Cinema Reference Mach IV-B. I think the regular mach IV is available now. It is about $7500 not sure about the balanced version. The balanced connectors will replace a lot of the legacy vbideo connectors. It is a 2U height piece.

Good thread on AV forums in England here: http://www.avforums.com/forums/audio...te-7-1-hd.html.

I haven't read the whole thing yet, so maybe the new unit has been released?

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Actually it's "girlfriend" for now but after 62 years as a bachelor--52 as a bachelorette for her--it may soon become "wife."

Congratulations! It will be much simpler than a typical marriage due to two facts -- no children to raise and no hormonal changes to go through (apologies to the women who may be reading this, but I would rather get hit over the head with a 2x4 than go through that again -- and I'm sure my wife would like to do the hitting).

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There must be a saying about that!

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Couldn't find a link for your dealer in Phoenix, but I did for one in Santa Fe--(I'm near Albuquerque). Are they still dealers, and do you have links for the one in Phoenix?

The website is brand new, so all of the dealer links should be up to date. The store in Santa Fe is run by the former manager of "Candyman", which was the main high-end store there for decades. The new store is, by all accounts, quite good. I'm sure they'll be able to take care of you there. If you have any questions, call Steve at extension 233.
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What is the final asking price?

US retail price is $9950. Overseas prices are 20% to 50% higher, due to duty, shipping, service facilities, review support, magazine ads, et cetera.
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BTW, I've been assuming this player has some means to set the usual surround sound parameters-- distance/delay and relative volume per channel. Is this correct?

Just to clarify moonhawk the dx 5 doesnt have multi analog outs so wont have distance/delay bass management settings ;best left to the pre pro or avr anyway as these are usually more comprehensive Not to mention possible a/d conversions for audessey etc..

The ada looks neat ;like my cary 11a with a proper No of hdmi inputs
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"...The website is brand new, so all of the dealer links should be up to date. The store in Santa Fe is run by the former manager of "Candyman", which was the main high-end store there for decades. The new store is, by all accounts, quite good. I'm sure they'll be able to take care of you there. If you have any questions, call Steve at extension 233.."

I'm well acquainted with the Candyman. I wonder if the person in question is the guy I used to deal with. I did a trade with the owner for some high end car stereo stuff in exchange for some work on his building. That was some time ago, however. The guy I got to know was the manager at the time, his name escapes me at the moment, but he hasn't been there for some time.

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Just to clarify moonhawk the dx 5 doesnt have multi analog outs so wont have distance/delay bass management settings ;best left to the pre pro or avr anyway as these are usually more comprehensive Not to mention possible a/d conversions for audessey etc..

The ada looks neat ;like my cary 11a with a proper No of hdmi inputs

Thanks for that, CWT

I'm so used to setting everything in my 5910 and using the analog outs I forgot that isn't how it's done with digital.

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I'm well acquainted with the Candyman. I wonder if the person in question is the guy I used to deal with. I did a trade with the owner for some high end car stereo stuff in exchange for some work on his building. That was some time ago, however. The guy I got to know was the manager at the time, his name escapes me at the moment, but he hasn't been there for some time.

The owner of the Candyman passed away. My understanding was that the new store was opened by someone who had worked at the Candyman for many years. I thought he was the manager, but I could be mistaken. If you call Steve at the number in the previous post, he will have more info. The new store has Ayre, Audio Research, Sonus Faber, and many other top brands. I'm told it's a very nice store.
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Congratulations!
There must be a saying about that!

Would that be "Buy now, marry later", or "Marry now, pay later"?

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Would that be "Buy now, marry later", or "Marry now, pay later"?

Yes! That is the one I was thinking of! So buy now, before you have to pay later!
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Charles,
As I was looking thru the DX-5 manual on the Ayre website (trying to figure out how to budget for it) I was surprised by the unit's weight listed on the specs page.
It shows the DX-5 at 15 lbs.
My Cx-7e cdp weighs in at 25 lbs., and the Oppo bdp-83 is listed at 12.5 lbs.

I realize that sq and pq quality aren't effected by weight. If they were I would put bricks on top of my equipment. But I was surprised that the DX-5 doesn't weigh closer to the CX-7e or C-5xe than to the oppo, since its in a similar chassis with similar parts.

Is the manual correct?

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Is the manual correct?

Probably not.

I start with a manual from the most similar previous product we have built and then change it, add on sections, and delete sections. In this case I think I started with the DX-7 manual.

By the time I got to the end of the DX-5 manual, I was pretty wiped out (124 pages...) and I think I forgot to check the weight.

I'll do that on Monday and get back to you. I would guess between 20 and 25 pounds, but that is just a guess.
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I would guess between 20 and 25 pounds, but that is just a guess.

Right, I would say around 22 or 23 lbs, or just slightly less than the C-5xe (at 26 lbs)

My dealer now has the DX-5 in stock and I lifted it up at his shop, then the C-5xe. The C-5xe is a marginally heavier unit, but then the case is larger too.

So yes Tom, confirmed the manual needs to be updated.
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Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

The guys at the shop said 23 pounds with the power cord. Pretty good work there! Thanks for all your help everyone.
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Has anyone done side by side comparisons against the C-5xe player? What would you say the major sonic differences are? How about against other top players from Meridian, Esoteric, etc?

thanks for the feedback

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Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

The guys at the shop said 23 pounds with the power cord. Pretty good work there! Thanks for all your help everyone.

Does that mean I win a complimentary player?
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Has anyone done side by side comparisons against the C-5xe player? What would you say the major sonic differences are? How about against other top players from Meridian, Esoteric, etc?

thanks for the feedback

Thx to my dealer, I was able to do a direct 2-channel comparison between the DX-5 and C-5xeMP using a SHM CD, and honestly could differentiate very little between them, they are so close sonically. Where I prefer the warmth and natural extension of the C-5 (you couldn't pull it from my dead, lifeless hands!), the DX-5 comes through as incredibly rich and detailed.

The fact that the DX-5 comes bundled with one of the best blu ray players around (i.e. Oppo) combined with the flexibility of the USB interface makes it a no-brainer.
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There's a good chance your dealer hasn't had time to put in the hundreds of hours the DX-5 needs to sound its best.
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Thx to my dealer, I was able to do a direct 2-channel comparison between the DX-5 and C-5xeMP using a SHM CD, and honestly could differentiate very little between them, they are so close sonically. Where I prefer the warmth and natural extension of the C-5 (you couldn't pull it from my dead, lifeless hands!), the DX-5 comes through as incredibly rich and detailed.

The fact that the DX-5 comes bundled with one of the best blu ray players around (i.e. Oppo) combined with the flexibility of the USB interface makes it a no-brainer.

Were you able to do your listening comparisons at home on your own system at home or on dealers system in the store?

Before I bought my C-5xeMP last year I scheduled a personal listening session at my Ayre dealer to compare the C-5 with some of its competition back then using my own disks on their reference system. Neither my wife or I could discern much if any difference among the players including an $8500 Esoteric model until I was able to bring both the C-5 demo and its competiton home for direct comparison on my own system for several nights. Then the differences were quite apparent to both my wife and me and I ended up with the C-5

A few months ago I scheduled another listening session at my Ayre dealer with music burned in on my Mac laptop with the Ayre QB-9 DAC. Unfortunately, the dealer did not have their C-5xeMP on hand for any comparisons that day Of course that was before the DX-5 was available. Based on my experience with the C-5xeMp I would imagine the DX-5 to be quite a remarkable player with both audio as well as video.
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There's a good chance your dealer hasn't had time to put in the hundreds of hours the DX-5 needs to sound its best.

Hopefully it was fully burned in and the the dealer was aware of the need to do this before demonstrating it.

My Ayre dealer is quite aware for the need of sufficient burn-in of Ayre products. In fact, after I bought my new C-5xeMP I was warned that it would not sound as good as the demo unit that I had at home for audition until it was fully burned in---500 hours for maximum potential sound quality. I didn't really take them seriously until I got my new C-5. Despite my skepticism they were indeed right! My new C-5 didn't sound all that great until I logged over 60 hours on it. Then it continued to improve for at least 100 or more hours! At 200 hours it seemed to reach its full sonic potential in my system.
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Absolutely right, the DX-5 had only just arrived at the Dealer's shop and wasn't fully run-in, whereas the C-5 had countless hours on it. Even still, fresh out of the box, the DX-5 is incredibly articulate which will only improve over time. I'll head back to the shop for another listen next weekend after it's been run-in.
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Hopefully it was fully burned in and the the dealer was aware of the need to do this before demonstrating it.

My Ayre dealer is quite aware for the need of sufficient burn-in of Ayre products. In fact, after I bought my new C-5xeMP I was warned that it would not sound as good as the demo unit that I had at home for audition until it was fully burned in---500 hours for maximum potential sound quality. I didn't really take them seriously until I got my new C-5. Despite my skepticism they were indeed right! My new C-5 didn't sound all that great until I logged over 60 hours on it. Then it continued to improve for at least 100 or more hours! At 200 hours it seemed to reach its full sonic potential in my system.

I have a question as I see mention of this, yet could never get a clear understanding. What exactly burns in, or what changes in terms of the operability of the parts?
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Absolutely right, the DX-5 had only just arrived at the Dealer's shop and wasn't fully run-in, whereas the C-5 had countless hours on it. Even still, fresh out of the box, the DX-5 is incredibly articulate which will only improve over time. I'll head back to the shop for another listen next weekend after it's been run-in.

That will probably still not be fully broken in but should give you some of the warmth you missed.
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I have a question as I see mention of this, yet could never get a clear understanding. What exactly burns in, or what changes in terms of the operability of the parts?

Here are a few links regarding break-in from Charles Hansen:

http://db.AudioAsylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?...ansen+break&r=

http://db.AudioAsylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?...s+hansen+break

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Perhaps Charles would like to chime in for additional explanations on this topic.
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I have an early but lengthy review up now:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post18824524

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Charles, finally I got DX-5 yippeee

So happy to have it. I think my dealer here got just first 2 units and one of them is mine.





just wanna ask you about HDMI audio out that bring out in LPCM only. Is it better than bitstream out and decode in pre/pro?

Thanks
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Wow! That is great!

It sounds like your wife is a pretty tough critic.

The problem with trying to break units in is that they "de-break-in" during shipment, and even if they sit for a time unused.

So when we go to CES we let the system play non-stop for several weeks without moving any cables or components. Then on a Sunday we box everything up, put it in a van, drive to Las Vegas, and by the next afternoon we have the system playing again.

We have it running for two days before the show starts, but it still only starts to sound good again on the last day. The last day ends early so there are only a few hours to hear the system at its best. Kind of a crummy situation, but its the best we can do. Trying to get a broken-in unit to a customer is pretty much impossible.
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just wanna ask you about HDMI audio out that bring out in LPCM only. Is it better than bitstream out and decode in pre/pro

I don't know of any performance advantage one way or the other. The main video processing engine decodes all audio formats, so that is a plus -- you don't have to worry about whether your SSP will decode them or not. It also makes it easiesr to handle the Secondary Audio Program (optional commentary track on Blu-ray discs).
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I've heard some people claim that the undecoded streams are less affected by jitter than LPCM.
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I've heard some people claim that the undecoded streams are less affected by jitter than LPCM.

NO! Our product is perfect!

OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

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Anything is possible. But it's not clear to me why that would be the case. The problem was literally that the HDMI connector was designed before the rest of the system, and they didn't have a spare wire to use as an audio clock (although there is a spare wire that has never been used for anything -- go figure).

The video clock is sent, which for 720p and 1080i is 74.25 MHz and for 1080p is 148.50 MHz (or that times 1000/1001, thanks to NTSC). Then the source sends signals to the receiver telling it what ratios to use in the audio PLL to recover the audio clock from the video clock.

In the best of circumstances this is a relatively high-jitter way to generate an audio clock. So the receiver is stuck with a jittery audio clock. The question is "Will sending packetized bitstream information create lower jitter than sending PCM?"

I can't think of a single reason why this would be true. The bitstream information has to be decoded by the receiver. Then it is in PCM form, which the DACs chips can understand. So in either case the net result is to send PCM to the DAC chips. And the conversion to analog is controlled by the local master audio clock. And that is all that matters -- how low is the jitter at the DAC chip.

So I would say that the claim of sending bitstream resulting in lower jitter is an urban myth.
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