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I just bought a 55" Samsung LN55b640 and I'm loving it. Currently I'm just using my PS3 as my main blu ray movie player. The PS3 produces great quality when it comes to blu ray movies, but I feel that I want the PS3 to focus on games and not movies. So lately, I've been searching for a samsung blu ray to match my tv, but it seem like samsung blu ray players aren't that great compare to others such as pioneer, and etc.

My question is, if I spent the money for a good quality blu ray player will I notice a difference in picture quality vs. PS3?

If so, what kind of blu ray do you guys recommend?
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Nope. At 1080P24 you are good.


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Nope. At 1080P24 you are good.

Please enlighten me on this? And what blu ray player would you recommend?

As far as thread goes. Sorry for beating on a dead horse..
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If 1080P24 over HDMI is the desired solution, I can recommend any current (not discontinued) standalone Blu Ray player from a reputable company that retails for at least $300. I would buy a new player based on a company's record of firmware updates, load times, and how quiet it is... and cost. I think the OPPO BDP-83 is the best Blu Ray player on the planet at its price. I own it and 2 others ranging from $1300 to $2000 (Oppo being the cheapest). It is a no brainer. DO NOT buy yesterday's models from Sony and Pioneer unless you want headaches.


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I just bought a 55" Samsung LN55b640 and I'm loving it. Currently I'm just using my PS3 as my main blu ray movie player. The PS3 produces great quality when it comes to blu ray movies, but I feel that I want the PS3 to focus on games and not movies. So lately, I've been searching for a samsung blu ray to match my tv, but it seem like samsung blu ray players aren't that great compare to others such as pioneer, and etc.

My question is, if I spent the money for a good quality blu ray player will I notice a difference in picture quality vs. PS3?

If so, what kind of blu ray do you guys recommend?

Doubtful that you would notice any difference, especially on a 55" set.
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If 1080P24 over HDMI is the desired solution, I can recommend any current (not discontinued) standalone Blu Ray player from a reputable company that retails for at least $300. I would buy a new player based on a company's record of firmware updates, load times, and how quiet it is... and cost. I think the OPPO BDP-83 is the best Blu Ray player on the planet at its price. I own it and 2 others ranging from $1300 to $2000 (Oppo being the cheapest). It is a no brainer. DO NOT buy yesterday's models from Sony and Pioneer unless you want headaches.


Can I tell the differences in terms of picture quality vs. a PS3 using today's blu ray player? I was looking into the new samsung BD-P4600? What do you think or do you still think the OPPO is better?
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You will not see a difference. I have players that differ by $1500 in price and they both look the same. Samsung is a decent brand but would only buy it if buying the Oppo was impossible. The Oppo beats it in every way. Oppo has the PQ, reliability, support and features... all in a quiet chassis. It's a winner.


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You will not see a difference. I have players that differ by $1500 in price and they both look the same. Samsung is a decent brand but would only buy it if buying the Oppo was impossible. The Oppo beats it in every way. Oppo has the PQ, reliability, support and features... all in a quiet chassis. It's a winner.


Ever since you mention about the OPPO I was doing some research about it. There's a lot of positive comments about it, except for the wifi. Is is easy to update the FW on the Oppo vs. PS3?

BTW, are all HDMI wires the same? A sale person at BB told me to get the monster HDMI vs. my walmart (Philip) HDMI?
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Ever since you mention about the OPPO I was doing some research about it. There's a lot of positive comments about it, except for the wifi. Is is easy to update the FW on the Oppo vs. PS3?

BTW, are all HDMI wires the same? A sale person at BB told me to get the monster HDMI vs. my walmart (Philip) HDMI?

You might have a look at the OPPO FAQ.

The BB guy was lying. For more, see the HDMI forum here.

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You might have a look at the OPPO FAQ.

The BB guy was lying. For more, see the HDMI forum here.

-Bill

Thank you for that link. I'm getting a OPPO in a few days now.
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My question is, if I spent the money for a good quality blu ray player will I notice a difference in picture quality vs. PS3?

The correct answer is you can. The stand alone players by default are configured (to some degree) to look how the manufacture desires. If you view the images here you can see two players at the players' defaults and obviously there are differences. Again both of these show the players at their default settings (among other shots).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post17201122
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post17021606

Using these settings you can alter the image to your display's abilities which are shown in a few of these images.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post17228828
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post16790845

Now most will try to tell you there isn't a difference or one player is messing with the pure (native, unaltered, natural, encoded, whatever) image but there is no way one can state one contrast ratio is correct and the other wrong. If this was the case then virtually every display in the world isn't accurate as they all have different contrast levels.

From an industry insider...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post14907972

So, the differences in players is in the post-processing of the video, such as scaling, deinterlacing, edge enhancement, noise reduction, color correction, etc. This is where the "art" comes in.

Some player manufacturers (and consumers) may also tweak various settings (such as brightness, contrast, hue, saturation, sharpness, edge enhancement, 2D/3D noise reduction, gamma, color conversion, etc.) to achieve the specific "look" to the video that they want. The most accurate picture, although possibly not the most personally visually pleasing picture, is when all those type of controls are bypassed or zero'd out.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post15899972

Sorry, that's not the way it works. Someone posted a few pages back my comments I posted elsewhere on what player manufacturers typically do to tweak the default "look" of their video. 1080p24 is just a timing output format, and has nothing to do with whatever default tweaks the manufacturer implements.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14622425

Default doesn't necessarily mean pass-through...

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Ever since you mention about the OPPO I was doing some research about it. There's a lot of positive comments about it, except for the wifi. Is is easy to update the FW on the Oppo vs. PS3?

BTW, are all HDMI wires the same? A sale person at BB told me to get the monster HDMI vs. my walmart (Philip) HDMI?

BB makes most of it's money on Monster cables. I can go across the street and get a HDMI cable for 80% less money than i can at BB.

I'm also in the same boat looking for my first Blu ray player. My last two Pioneer Elite DVD players cost over 1k each. Looks like i'm going with the OPPO 83 and at $499 it's a steal compared to what i paid for my many other DVD players over the years.

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The correct answer is you can. The stand alone players by default are configured (to some degree) to look how the manufacture desires. If you view the images here you can see two players at the players' defaults and obviously there are differences. Again both of these show the players at their default settings (among other shots).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post17201122
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post17021606

Using these settings you can alter the image to your display's abilities which are shown in a few of these images.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post17228828
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post16790845

Now most will try to tell you there isn't a difference or one player is messing with the pure (native, unaltered, natural, encoded, whatever) image but there is no way one can state one contrast ratio is correct and the other wrong. If this was the case then virtually every display in the world isn't accurate as they all have different contrast levels.

I think the poster likely knew this. Contrast settings are always off by default. But aftr calibration, BD players all look strikingly similar on my 58" plasma (and on my calibrated Reference video rig).


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I think the poster likely knew this. Contrast settings are always off by default. But aftr calibration, BD players all look strikingly similar on my 58" plasma (and on my calibrated Reference video rig).

It goes far beyond contrast levels and in this case I was referencing ANSI contrast which can't be calibrated like on/off contrast.

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I think the point here is after proper display / player calibration the picture will look similar amongst a group of players (@1080P24).


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You will not see a difference.

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I think the point here is after proper display / player calibration the picture will look similar amongst a group of players (@1080P24).

First it was no difference. Now it's similar... we are getting closer to agreement.

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First it was no difference. Now it's similar... we are getting closer to agreement.


Well, if I turned my contrast to -10 it would look different than at default!

My assumption is that most folks simply don't plug in a new player and forget about the PQ but take some time to do a crude calibration. But then again, who knows...


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My assumption is that most folks simply don't plug in a new player and forget about the PQ but take some time to do a crude calibration. But then again, who knows...

Well actually I have yet to use a Blu-ray player (around a dozen) that required me to alter Brightness or Contrast levels... using test patterns.

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Well actually I have yet to use a Blu-ray player (around a dozen) that required me to alter Brightness or Contrast levels... using test patterns.

I have had two (of my 8 HD players) require contrast settings to be reduced by '1'. Some players clip whites with contrast at default. Stacy Spears has noted this and Alan Gouger here brought it to my attention. Always a good idea to do a calibration so as to get things right


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I have had two (of my 8 HD players) require contrast settings to be reduced by '1'. Some players clip whites with contrast at default. Stacy Spears has noted this and Alan Gouger here brought it to my attention. Always a good idea to do a calibration so as to get things right

The worse I have had is .5 for Brightness. Although this has very little to do with the topic at hand. Manufacturers make as KJack has posted all kinds of video settings based on their desires such as ANSI contrast which can't be calibrated. These differences do produce different images. Unfortunately there is very little if any way of knowing whether these default settings are pass-through (if one wants to obtain such).

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If 1080P24 over HDMI is the desired solution, I can recommend any current (not discontinued) standalone Blu Ray player from a reputable company that retails for at least $300. I would buy a new player based on a company's record of firmware updates, load times, and how quiet it is... and cost. I think the OPPO BDP-83 is the best Blu Ray player on the planet at its price. I own it and 2 others ranging from $1300 to $2000 (Oppo being the cheapest). It is a no brainer. DO NOT buy yesterday's models from Sony and Pioneer unless you want headaches.

non-sense....my Pioneer BDP-51FD and BDP-05FD that are 1080P24 capable deliver outstanding PQ. The combined price of both was less than half the price of an OPPO. What is this headache you speak of?
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non-sense....my Pioneer BDP-51FD and BDP-05FD that are 1080P24 capable deliver outstanding PQ. The combined price of both was less than half the price of an OPPO. What is this headache you speak of?

My feelings on the Pioneer products are clearly stated in the Pioneer thread. Garbage picking the Best Buy open box aisle is not my idea of finding a good, reliable Blu Ray player. I don't recommend such to my friends or those (like the OP) who ask.

But for the OP, my opinions for him are the truth.


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My feelings on the Pioneer products are clearly stated in the Pioneer thread. Garbage picking the Best Buy open box aisle is not my idea of finding a good, reliable Blu Ray player. I don't recommend such to my friends or those (like the OP) who ask.

But for the OP, my opinions for him are the truth.

more non-sense......glad I don't listen to your advice, it's not credible.
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My feelings on the Pioneer products are clearly stated in the Pioneer thread. Garbage picking the Best Buy open box aisle is not my idea of finding a good, reliable Blu Ray player. I don't recommend such to my friends or those (like the OP) who ask.

But for the OP, my opinions for him are the truth.

Thank you for being honest. As far as researching the OPPO has nothing but great reviews on it.
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Thank you for being honest. As far as researching the OPPO has nothing but great reviews on it.

actually it's quite misleading about Pioneer. The OPPO is undeniably a great unit.
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Garbage picking the Best Buy open box aisle is not my idea of finding a good, reliable Blu Ray player.

That's one of my favorite lines in a long time and I own a Pioneer BDP-23FD.

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There are in fact differences in basic image quality between different makes and models of BD players just as there is a differences in image quality between say a "generic" Apex DVD player and a top of the line Oppo.

That having been said, in most cases the average consumer is not likely to notice the difference in overall quality between BD players due to:

~ Most consumers do not have a properly calibrated display to run the BD through.

~ Most have very little experience with or options for performing direct comparisons between players in their homes.

~ And in most cases the overall improvement in quality from DVD to BD (which is what the average consumer will be comparing the new technology to) will be great enough on even an off-brand BD player to seem impressive.

IMO if you have a very nice, calibrated display then you may feel justified in purchasing a higher end BD player (Oppo, etc.) but the majority of people out would probably be better served just picking up a major brand BD player (Sony, Panasonic, etc.) or a PS3 and spending the money saved on starting their BD library.
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Thank you for being honest. As far as researching the OPPO has nothing but great reviews on it.

Years of experience. You're welcome.


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That's one of my favorite lines in a long time and I own a Pioneer BDP-23FD.

Nice piece and thanks... A good one liner can break things up a bit here.


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There are more than a handful of [op amps] that sound so good that most designers want to be using them as opposed to discreet transistors. Dave Reich, Theta 2009
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Is the Panny DMP-BD60 not a very good player, even at it's rock bottom price?(not many bells and whistles, but outstanding IQ and quick loads and complete audio decoding)
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