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With the Oppo BDP80, I prefer HDMI. I went back and forth alot when I first got it and no doubt it is the way to go with my equipment. Now if I had the 83 instead.....

That may be because the Oppo BDP-80 does a DSD>>>PCM>>>analog conversion when outputting thru its analog outputs. The BDP-83 can do a direct DSD>>>analog conversion.

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If you buy the new Panasonic 3D Plasma TV do you have to buy also the new Panasonic 3D player as well? or you can buy any other 3D player (if you want to watch 3D movies that is).
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I'm looking for a blu ray player with wireless Netflix streaming... to pair with a new Panasonic Viera 32S1...

So I'm thinking the new Panasonic BD85... hopefully meaning I can use just one remote for tv/player.

Makes sense, right?
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If you buy the new Panasonic 3D Plasma TV do you have to buy also the new Panasonic 3D player as well? or you can buy any other 3D player (if you want to watch 3D movies that is).

That's a good question. In theory, the 3D should work on any "3D ready TV or player" but we don't have any real field test to know which model/brand will talk to the other without any glitch. When HDMI was released, tons of problems emerged regarding compatibility between brands/models and I think the HDMI implementation is something much simpler that a 3D system.

There are more than 1 3D implementations, with or without the use of HDMI 1.4, for example. Sony will upgrade the 2010 line with a 1.3 HDMI, Panasonic will only release 3D with the 1.4 HDMI on the 3D player. I saw the 3D demo at a SonyStore and liked it a lot. It was a PS3 with some sort of special firmware with a Sony 3D display (no visible model).

I think ,for early adopters, the best bet is a Sony/Sony or Panasonic/Panasonic setup (sorry, I'm not a fan of the Korean stuff). I bought the Sony S570 but have no plans to get a 3D TV for the next 2 years.

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If you buy the new Panasonic 3D Plasma TV do you have to buy also the new Panasonic 3D player as well? or you can buy any other 3D player (if you want to watch 3D movies that is).

See these two articles, should help.

What You Need To Know About 3D and HDMI (HDGuru) 2/22/10

3D HDTV and HDMI Explained (HDGuru) 2/22/10

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See these two articles, should help.

What You Need To Know About 3D and HDMI (HDGuru) 2/22/10

3D HDTV and HDMI Explained (HDGuru) 2/22/10

Potentially important point from above article regarding 3-D:

"You can still use your current HDMI receiver with Panasonic's upcoming 3D Blu-ray player because it includes a separate audio only HDMI output. Connect the video HDMI directly to your 3D set and the audio HDMI to your receiver to decode Dolby TruHD or DTS lossless codecs. No other manufacturer has announced this feature. You can also use coax or optical digital outs from the 3D Blu-ray player but you won't get lossless audio and you'll still have to connect the 3D Blu-ray player directly to the 3D HDTV to see the picture."

Sheesh, I keep going back and forth between the Sony (470) and the new Pannys...

Sony: SACD, 3-D, I-Touch Remote, Price... are very attractive, but I don't want to be "stuck" and needing to upgrade my expensive AVR soon.

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I'm looking for a blu ray player with wireless Netflix streaming... to pair with a new Panasonic Viera 32S1...

So I'm thinking the new Panasonic BD85... hopefully meaning I can use just one remote for tv/player.

Makes sense, right?

I think that should work. I have been waiting on the Panasonic 2010 BD players to hook up with a TC-p50S1. I almost bought the 2009 Panny version and held off. Glad I did since only the 2010 Viera systems get Netflix streaming access. Real info is really vague on that, but Viera Link is shown to allow control of multiple systems linked with HDMI.

If you have your manual, look at the Viera Link or HDAVI control section. Here is a link to one manual, that has some info on it http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP42S1.pdf Look at page 30.
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Went to my local Best Buy today and was amazed to see 2010 blu-ray players on the shelves all at the same time from Samsung, Panasonic, LG and Sony.

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You can now order the panys 65/85 from the panasonic website
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Do you remember which model Sony? S570?
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I think that should work. I have been waiting on the Panasonic 2010 BD players to hook up with a TC-p50S1. I almost bought the 2009 Panny version and held off. Glad I did since only the 2010 Viera systems get Netflix streaming access. Real info is really vague on that, but Viera Link is shown to allow control of multiple systems linked with HDMI.

If you have your manual, look at the Viera Link or HDAVI control section. Here is a link to one manual, that has some info on it http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP42S1.pdf Look at page 30.

Thanks - will do. I'm pretty set on the Panasonic BD65 or BD85. The 65 is 1.5" less deep, and will therefore fit better in the limited space I have. I'll have to buy the wifi dongle separately whenever that's available.

From what I can tell Divx capability and enhanced analogue audio are the only benefits of the 85 over the 65+dongle, and I'll never use those. 65+dongle looks to be more expensive than the 85 (I read that the dongle will be $100), but I'll be paying a few bucks for the better fit on my shelf.
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I bought the Panasonic 85 this evening and, unless I am blind or have lost my mind, it does NOT have Netflix access. Yes, the box has a Netflix badge on it. Yes, the box contains a flier offering a Netflix trial. Yes, the little top-of-device cardboard display has a Netflix badge. But, no, if you go to Network/VieraCast, you will NOT find a way to access Netflix--only Youtube, Picasa, Bloomberg, Accuweather.

It also does not appear to have DLNA, which it was announced as having.

It appears that Panasonic is flat-out lying about what services it presently offers on this player. DLNA isn't listed on the box, fine (though the press releases indicated it would be included in this model, and, honestly, how can anyone release a $300 player in 2010 that doesn't have it, considering the equivalent *2009* LG and Samsung units have it?), but Netflix is, and I don't see any asterisks indicating it's awaiting a firmware upgrade.

(But, yes, I checked for a firmware update.)

Between this and the nonstop lipsync issues I've had with every single LG model I've tried (390, 570, 590), and the Samsung 3600's refusal to network with my Mac, I'm not finding it surprising that Bluray adoption has been relatively slow. I've been trying to buy a player with DLNA and Netflix that actually works (and plays nice with my Mac) for some time now, and despite all promises, I still don't have one.
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I read someware that the netflix access will be in june
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I bought the Panasonic 85 this evening and, unless I am blind or have lost my mind, it does NOT have Netflix access. Yes, the box has a Netflix badge on it. Yes, the box contains a flier offering a Netflix trial. Yes, the little top-of-device cardboard display has a Netflix badge. But, no, if you go to Network/VieraCast, you will NOT find a way to access Netflix--only Youtube, Picasa, Bloomberg, Accuweather.

It also does not appear to have DLNA, which it was announced as having.

It appears that Panasonic is flat-out lying about what services it presently offers on this player. DLNA isn't listed on the box, fine (though the press releases indicated it would be included in this model, and, honestly, how can anyone release a $300 player in 2010 that doesn't have it, considering the equivalent *2009* LG and Samsung units have it?), but Netflix is, and I don't see any asterisks indicating it's awaiting a firmware upgrade.

(But, yes, I checked for a firmware update.)

Between this and the nonstop lipsync issues I've had with every single LG model I've tried (390, 570, 590), and the Samsung 3600's refusal to network with my Mac, I'm not finding it surprising that Bluray adoption has been relatively slow. I've been trying to buy a player with DLNA and Netflix that actually works (and plays nice with my Mac) for some time now, and despite all promises, I still don't have one.



The new Sony's ( BDP-S470 and BDP-S570 ) have DLNA and Netflix. I am not sure of mac compatibility though.
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SOry about this comment. The Sony;s do not support DLNA at this time. There needs to be a firmware update to support DLNA. Netflix is a minimal interface. See winstonsreviews.com for a good review of it
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I bought the Panasonic 85 this evening and, unless I am blind or have lost my mind, it does NOT have Netflix access. Yes, the box has a Netflix badge on it. Yes, the box contains a flier offering a Netflix trial. Yes, the little top-of-device cardboard display has a Netflix badge. But, no, if you go to Network/VieraCast, you will NOT find a way to access Netflix--only Youtube, Picasa, Bloomberg, Accuweather.

It sounds like your Viera Cast menu is exactly the same as the 2009 models for the moment. Most of the online functionality for those services are handled through Panasonic's bd.vieracast.tv servers (sort of like a web portal page only for Viera Cast devices), so the updates will come from their server side updates as well as a firmware update. Even though the players are on the shelves now, it sounds like they haven't updated the servers yet. I don't recall reading about an exact date for the new services, but I guess it would be in the next month or two at the earliest.

It will be interesting to see if the Viera Cast interface is updated on the old players at the same time, or whether there will be a lag before last year's players can connect to the updated vieracast.tv menu. I also wonder if the updated menu will look exactly the same for 2010 and 2009 models (minus the blocked Netflix on older machines) or whether there will be a completely different design for the Viera Cast menu portal for 2010 machines. That may give us a hint as to whether the old and new machines are connecting to exactly the same online content with a simple player ID check to disable Netflix on older machines or if there is actually a different Viera Cast portal server address for the new machines.

Panasonic's Marketing VP Bob Perry writes about the upcoming new services, but doesn't give any date for updates.
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Panasonic customer service writes me back today: "Please be advised that only 2010 Blu-ray players support Netflix video streaming and the activation will be available by the end of the first quarter."

So, it sounds like 2009 models will be out of luck.

I find it really unacceptable to sell a product as providing a particular service that in reality won't be available until some point in the nebulous future. It's probably a violation of U.S. false advertising laws--if I were a competitor whose player actually did stream everything it promised to stream, I'd consider a suit.

I still don't understand why this is so difficult. At this point I'm ready to chuck it all and wait another year or three. I've lived fine without Blu-ray to this point and I'm sure I can continue to do so.

ETA: Thanks, bigtim--since the Panasonic people didn't even respond to my question about DLNA, I'm going to assume that this functionality was quietly dropped and won't be available at all. I'll look at the Sonys. I was annoyed by the N460's refusal to play video from USB, though--seemed like a deliberate crippling to try to protect Sony's other markets.
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SOry about this comment. The Sony;s do not support DLNA at this time. There needs to be a firmware update to support DLNA. Netflix is a minimal interface. See winstonreviews.com for a good review of it

The SonyStyle site says that it does DLNA and does not mention needing a firmware update, but the manual indeed makes no mention of playing files from a home network.

Has anybody been able to confirm that the U.S. model S570 does NOT play .avi files as the manual specifies? What a weird feature to exclude.
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The SonyStyle site says that it does DLNA and does not mention needing a firmware update, but the manual indeed makes no mention of playing files from a home network.

Has anybody been able to confirm that the U.S. model S570 does NOT play .avi files as the manual specifies? What a weird feature to exclude.

My 570 is coming today. I will do a mini-review tonight (non-professional) . DLNA is not the only issue. There is a USB support that should allow playback of some video files, including MKV, but I'm not sure if it also requires firmware upgrade .

With Panasonic new BD85 not playing Netflix (firmware upgrade), Sony not working with DLNA and Toyota making car that can act up, I would say the Japaneses decide to screw us.

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My 570 is coming today. I will do a mini-review tonight (non-professional) . DLNA is not the only issue. There is a USB support that should allow playback of some video files, including MKV, but I'm not sure if it also requires firmware upgrade .

With Panasonic new BD85 not playing Netflix (firmware upgrade), Sony not working with DLNA and Toyota making car that can act up, I would say the Japaneses decide to screw us.

Awesome, looking forward to an answer on the .avi and DLNA questions. I can live without DLNA for a little because as you said you can just put stuff on a USB drive and play it that way. But no .avi support would be a real problem for me Maybe you can start the "official" owners thread!
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I'm wondering though if 7.1 analog outs will fall by the wayside eventually (sooner rather than later) and manufacturer's would just let HDMI handle things. It may not be a bad idea for some to grab unto a good bang for buck player with that feature just in case as their AVR doesn't have HDMI and they aren't planning on upgrading soon.

robertc88,

I don't see 7.1 analog going anywhere anytime soon. There are too many people with mid to high end AVRs that require this functionality. This feature will probably only disappear from the lower end mass market manufacturers (Sony, LG, Panasonic, Samsung, etc. The mid to upper end players are including DACs from Burr Brown, Cirrus, Sabre, Wolfson, Analog Devices, etc., which is directed clearly at the analog crowd.


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robertc88,

I don't see 7.1 analog going anywhere anytime soon. There are too many people with mid to high end AVRs that require this functionality. This feature will probably only disappear from the lower end mass market manufacturers (Sony, LG, Panasonic, Samsung, etc. The mid to upper end players are including DACs from Burr Brown, Cirrus, Sabre, Wolfson, Analog Devices, etc., which is directed clearly at the analog crowd.


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The "tube" crowd said the same few years ago.

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I don't see 7.1 analog going anywhere anytime soon. There are too many people with mid to high end AVRs that require this functionality. This feature will probably only disappear from the lower end mass market manufacturers (Sony, LG, Panasonic, Samsung, etc. The mid to upper end players are including DACs from Burr Brown, Cirrus, Sabre, Wolfson, Analog Devices, etc., which is directed clearly at the analog crowd.


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The "tube" crowd said the same few years ago.

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I understand your point, but most current and past AVRs and pre/pros have analog ext. in which leads me to my conclusion.

FYI: Tube equipment is still being sold today.


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I understand your point, but most current and past AVRs and pre/pros have analog ext. in which leads me to my conclusion.

FYI: Tube equipment is still being sold today.


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Panasonic customer service writes me back today: "Please be advised that only 2010 Blu-ray players support Netflix video streaming and the activation will be available by the end of the first quarter."

So, it sounds like 2009 models will be out of luck.

I find it really unacceptable to sell a product as providing a particular service that in reality won't be available until some point in the nebulous future. It's probably a violation of U.S. false advertising laws--if I were a competitor whose player actually did stream everything it promised to stream, I'd consider a suit.

I still don't understand why this is so difficult. At this point I'm ready to chuck it all and wait another year or three. I've lived fine without Blu-ray to this point and I'm sure I can continue to do so.

ETA: Thanks, bigtim--since the Panasonic people didn't even respond to my question about DLNA, I'm going to assume that this functionality was quietly dropped and won't be available at all. I'll look at the Sonys. I was annoyed by the N460's refusal to play video from USB, though--seemed like a deliberate crippling to try to protect Sony's other markets.

I'm with you on this issue. I purchased the BD65 solely because of the advertised features(Netflix, Pandora, etc.) only to be let down. If this product wasn't ready for the market it shouldn't have been released.

As a side note, I'm now trying out the LG BD550. It's good to go out of the box with all of the aforementioned features. Panasonic should be ashamed.
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The Sony S570 Owners Thread is here:

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The Sony S570 Owners Thread is here:

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Thanks. Leaning in this direction - not sure what I'm going to do. No local stores have it, or any of the '10 models yet here in the sticks...

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Thanks - you delivered as promised I have a LG 390 right now - after reading more, I am inclined to stick with it. The lack of DLNA and .avi support on the Sony 570 is a dealbreaker for me, even though I would like to be "future proofed" for 3D.
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Thanks - you delivered as promised I have a LG 390 right now - after reading more, I am inclined to stick with it. The lack of DLNA and .avi support on the Sony 570 is a dealbreaker for me, even though I would like to be "future proofed" for 3D.

I think you should keep the 390. I doubt very much the S570 will ever be as capable as the LG , DLNA-wise. The restriction on the FAT32 only on USB disk is enough to kill any "media player" hope. Thyat's why I just bought a Asus O!play.

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Sony Canada shows off BDP-S570 Blu-ray load times compared to a PS3

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Initial hands-on with the LG BD590 and the BD570

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"Netcast is the name of LG's suite of media-streaming services and luckily once you enter the Netcast section, you're greeted by large tiles with the names of services. LG's lineup of services is impressive, including Netflix, Vudu, CinemaNow, YouTube, Pandora, Picasa, and AccuWeather. "

I'd be interested to see what happens when you hook one of these up in Canada. Do the many netcast symbols disappear or what?
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