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So you verified the 80's component out works exactly the same as the 83's?

Someone here made it sound like if the 80 was set to auto and a 1080p/24 BR disc was playing then it would output 1080p/24 over HDMI and 1080i over component.

I never said that it would output 1080p24 for HDMI and 1080i for component at the same time. I just said that with AUTO selected instead of SOURCE DIRECT there was A picture on component output.

Just enjoy HD in whatever form you can (Sat, Cable, D-VHS, OTA, HD DVD, or BD).
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It's the same as the BDP-83: Media Files

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Thanks for the link to the great (if unofficial) FAQ! The answers weren't always what I was hoping for but at least my questions were answered!
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Does anyone have any pictures of both remotes?

I believe the shape/size/layout is identical to the backlit remote.

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Does anyone have any pictures of both remotes?

They are identical except one has glow-in-the-dark buttons and one is backlit.
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I use the stereo analog audio and composite video outputs on my TiVo, cable box, and HD-DVD player to feed a satellite NTSC AV system in my kitchen. I'd like to have a BD player that supports the same functionality.

On the BDP-80, when simultaneously using HDMI as the primary output for both audio and video...

1. Is the S-video output active?

1a. If so, is the video output letterboxed or horizontally squeezed?

2. Is the audio output through the FL and FR analog outputs automatically downmixed from the multichannel?

3. Is there any effect at all on the HDMI AV quality when using these analog outputs?

Thanks. Got my fingers crossed the BDP-80 could be ideal for me.

Will you be using 1080p24 or 1080p60 for the HDMI video?
If you use AUTO or 1080p60 you will get video from S-video at the same time, if you utilize 1080p24 or Source Direct mode then you will not liekly have a picture on s-video (havent tested but it holds true for component video which i tested).

Just enjoy HD in whatever form you can (Sat, Cable, D-VHS, OTA, HD DVD, or BD).
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I never said that it would output 1080p24 for HDMI and 1080i for component at the same time. I just said that with AUTO selected instead of SOURCE DIRECT there was A picture on component output.

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.

Do you know what it outputted?
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I have been one of the BDP80 beta testers for the past several months and I would like to add a few words about the BDP80. My setup consists of the BDP80, BDP83, A DVDO Edge, an Onlyo605, I also own a Pioneer BDP 51 and a Epsons 7500 projector. In most cases I use HDMI output source direct bitstream and let the Onkyo do the audio decoding.

I have compared the video output of both the BDP83 and BDP 80 going direct to the projector and also using source direct going through the Edge. On Blu-Ray disks bypassing the Edge I can not see any difference in quality between the 80 & 83. I can also not see any difference going from the BDP80 SD disks through the Edge to the projector. The difference comes when ones compares the 80 & 83 going direct and not using the Edge. Both the Edge and the 83 use the Abit chip and have the same upscailing qualities. The 80 as most know, does not have the Abit chip so there is a difference on SD disks on very large screens.
This is the reason for the big price difference. I am also happy to report that after using the BD80 for several hundred hours I have had very few issues. Nearly every disk I have tried plays fine. The big question for most is which machine should I choose. It really depends on the size of the screen, the number of SD disks one might have and plan to use and cost.

The BDP 80 is a great unit for those who don't have
1. A projector or very large set. I would say above 50 or 55 inches
2. If you own a good video processor
3. Plan to use mostly Blu-Ray disks
4. Want or need to save some money.

I would suggest the BDP83 for the following situations:
1. Owners of large sets or projectors who do not own external video processors
2. Owners of large SD DVD collections
3. If one needs or wants 1080/24 output for standard disks. (I think it is more of a problem than not with most sd disks. That may be the reason it is not available on the 80)
I have also seen posts about the plastic front on the BDP83. I did not even realize that it is plastic until I checked. It has a nice look and it is also slimmer than the 83. I have only test the audio outputs a few times on both players using component output. I have not been able to hear any difference.

Finally the most import thing for one to consider is if the best upscailing is needed for SD disks. If it is I would recommend the BDP83. In most other cases I feel that the BDP 80 will more that meet one's needs. I have had the pleasure to use it for the past months and since I also own the DVDO Edge it has become my primary Blu-Ray player.
The picture is great and it plays everything I have put into it. It is fast loading. and is very responsive. I don't know if the JVC or a few others machines beat it on loading times. If they do the difference would be very small and be a non issue for most. The menu setup is also very clear. The thing to consider is that with either Oppo unit you are getting a quality machine with amazing product support. If you have any questions we can now answer them. I know that there are cheaper players out there but I don't think one will find a better value. With Oppo units you don't have to worry about disks not playing, freeze ups, and all kinds of other Blu-Ray issues. You will also be getting the best support in the business and firmware upgrades as needed.

If one wants to see one of the best reviews see the job that Gonk did.

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Ordered.

I've always put off getting an Oppo for one reason or another but this is a very attractive price for this player from a very reputable company with great customer service (I'll have to trust you folks with that since I've had no prior experience).

To tell the truth, I've had no problems with 3 different manufacturers with my players as far as customer service goes because I never had to get them invovled! I guess that is a good thing and obviously so is this forum.

Thanks to all who have offered feedback and put things into perspective with this player. Something tells me it may not be my last Oppo product.

I already have SACD covered, it is a format I got quite involved with through the years and participated alot at the audio asylum. I went with Class A players for that format. The need for a universal from Oppo wasn't necessary and just one of the reasons I never bought one. Having it included to mess with on this player will add additional fun in doing some comparisons, not that I'm expecting much since the 83 would be the better dog in that hunt!
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OPPO Digital BDP-80 User Review by Gonk
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Just ordered one... will replace my current combo of Panasonic BD35 + DV980H. My receiver has premium video processing/scaling for DVD playback, so this was a good option to simplify my system with a single universal player for BD, DVD, SACD & DVD-A.

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I just ordered mine. I used to have an LG 390 which was a really great player. Then I received PS3 slim for my birthday and gave the LG to my parents. I've been using the PS3 as my BR and DVD player. Sometimes, the PS3 and my Anthem AVM50 pre/pro do not get along and I have to go through a lot of hoops to watch a movie. I'm hoping the BDP-80 will be more reliable.
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Can someone comment on setting the 80 to output 720p? I have a 720p projector and I'm curious as to whether I will get better performance on 1080p blu-ray discs, with the 80 downscaling (as opposed to my projector).

Or whether the 80 will be better at outputting 720p than my current panasonic BD-30.
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I doubt if there would be much difference with the 80 downscaling vs most 7:20p projectors. I also own a Panasonic BD-30 and it is a decent unit. I do find the BDP80 to be much faster loading and better with error correction. I just find that the 80 works much better with no disk freeze up or audio drop-outs. It is also a 2.0 player
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Can someone comment on setting the 80 to output 720p? I have a 720p projector and I'm curious as to whether I will get better performance on 1080p blu-ray discs, with the 80 downscaling (as opposed to my projector).

Or whether the 80 will be better at outputting 720p than my current panasonic BD-30.

You will have to answer that yourself. Try both and see which looks best to you. What looks better with the BD-30?
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You will have to answer that yourself. Try both and see which looks best to you. What looks better with the BD-30?

With the BD-30 I set it to 1080i (which looks better than setting it to 720p to me). My PJ does not really handle 1080p signals well. But that doesn 't mean the Oppo won't be better in outputting 720p (or 1080i) than the BD-30.

What chip does the downscaling in the BD-30 and what chip does it in the Oppo 80?

Perhaps the difference in chip quality may be helpful in analysis.
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You will have to answer that yourself. Try both and see which looks best to you. What looks better with the BD-30?


Well I don't have an Oppo 80 to compare to the BD-30 -- and my purchase decision may be based on whether the 80 has a better chip in it for outputting 720p than the BD-30.

I assume the Oppo will be better than my PJ in downscaling. And I would have to send my PJ 1080i signal at the most (as it can not accept 1080p).
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Also, it's 10:55 EST on 1/25/2010 and Oppo still doesn't have a link to information on this player on their home page. I would think somebody would have updated it at a minute past midnight. This is an exciting new player!

You guys should realize that OPPO is West Coast and their employees only work during their business hours (aside from e-mail support, as it is more advantageous to answer e-mails over the weekend than it is to let them pile up for answering on Monday).

You guys really need to learn a little patience. You will not lose anything by ordering 9 hours after midnight.
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Just read through the manual....looks real good. It would be nice to have one player instead of 2 but I think I will stick to my Panasonic BD60 and Oppo 970HD combo. I would really like to see benchmarks of the sd-dvd playback of the BDP-80. I'm thinking saying the 80 is not good for large screens is a bit of an exaggeration on Oppo's part. I'm sure the 80 is as good or better then some of the mainstream players (like the Panasonic) that are considered to have admirable upscaling. I just watched 2 sd-dvd movies this weekend using my Oppo 970HD on a 92" screen using a 720p lcd projector. I was still amazed at the quality you can still get from standard dvd. For most users I'm sure the Oppo 80 will be fine.

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The BDP 80 is a great unit for those who don't have
1. A projector or very large set. I would say above 50 or 55 inches


I would suggest the BDP83 for the following situations:
1. Owners of large sets or projectors who do not own external video processors

While I didn't beta the 80, I still find those statements hard to believe. In winstons testing of the original 83, he scored it's SD upconversion as a "10". He has scored the 80 as a "9", which still makes it one of the best upconverting units. I've been using the JVC on my 126" screen (it was rated an "8") and the picture is fantastic on SD material (for SD). By all accounts the 80 should be even better, so I wouldn't hesitate to tell people with large screens to get one (assuming they need a universal player - if not, I wouldn't). The 83 might be better with SD material, but I think the difference would only be noticeable if viewed side by side or by switching back and forth. If you came over and watched SD material on my 126" screen, and I didn't tell you what BD player I was using, I seriously doubt anyone would know whether or not it was the 80, 83, or JVC just by looking at the PQ.

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caesar1, your situation is one that no one else is going to be able to advise on.
The only real way to know the answer, is to use both the BD-30 and the BDP-80 and see which one looks best.
For downscaling of Blu-ray, I doubt there's going to be a huge difference between the two players.
Remember that OPPO does have a nice return policy if you are not 100% satisfied with the purchase. It will just cost you the shipping charges if you decide not to keep it.

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I think Oppo should have not post "not good for large screens." This could be confusing for some. I feel that for Blu-Ray disk playback the BDP80 is comparable to the BDP83.
The difference comes as most know in upscaliling of SD disks for large screens. The BDP80 is no worse and probably much better than most other units. The other thing to consider is that one might want to Buy the BDP80 and a video processor such as the DVD Edge. This combination with be more flexible than the BDP83 alone.
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With the BD-30 I set it to 1080i (which looks better than setting it to 720p to me). My PJ does not really handle 1080p signals well. But that doesn 't mean the Oppo won't be better in outputting 720p (or 1080i) than the BD-30.

What chip does the downscaling in the BD-30 and what chip does it in the Oppo 80?

Perhaps the difference in chip quality may be helpful in analysis.

The BD30 uses an early version of Panasonic's Uniphier chip (which I may have misspelled). I didn't find it to be an especially remarkable DVD player - slow layer changes and run-of-the-milll scaling/deinterlacing performance. My BD30 is on loan to a friend, so I can't do a direct comparison, but if you don't mind relying on old memories and separate evaluations I would say that the BDP-80 will have the advantage over the BD30 on DVD playback.

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I have a PS3, LG390, and Panny BD30. I'm confident that this player will be at least equal for SD DVD upconversion if not better which may not be saying much with some of those players. I never liked the BD30 especially.

Time will tell. I'm mostly a BD watcher lately anyway and I do have a smallish display. So I should be "very good" to go.

And "this" time, I'm determined to keep up with this specific thread. The other Oppo player I gave up rather quickly not to say this one is lagging behind at this stage!
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Just read through the manual....looks real good. It would be nice to have one player instead of 2 but I think I will stick to my Panasonic BD60 and Oppo 970HD combo.

The BDP-80 will easily beat the 970 for upscaling DVD, and for de-interlacing. The usual caveats apply: screen size, viewing distance and quality of source material. I doubt you are going to see anyone doing a head-to-head comparison.
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Just read through the manual....looks real good. It would be nice to have one player instead of 2 but I think I will stick to my Panasonic BD60 and Oppo 970HD combo. I would really like to see benchmarks of the sd-dvd playback of the BDP-80. I'm thinking saying the 80 is not good for large screens is a bit of an exaggeration on Oppo's part. I'm sure the 80 is as good or better then some of the mainstream players (like the Panasonic) that are considered to have admirable upscaling. I just watched 2 sd-dvd movies this weekend using my Oppo 970HD on a 92" screen using a 720p lcd projector. I was still amazed at the quality you can still get from standard dvd. For most users I'm sure the Oppo 80 will be fine.

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While I didn't beta the 80, I still find those statements hard to believe. In winstons testing of the original 83, he scored it's SD upconversion as a "10". He has scored the 80 as a "9", which still makes it one of the best upconverting units. I've been using the JVC on my 126" screen (it was rated an "8") and the picture is fantastic on SD material (for SD). By all accounts the 80 should be even better, so I wouldn't hesitate to tell people with large screens to get one (assuming they need a universal player - if not, I wouldn't). The 83 might be better with SD material, but I think the difference would only be noticeable if viewed side by side or by switching back and forth. If you came over and watched SD material on my 126" screen, and I didn't tell you what BD player I was using, I seriously doubt anyone would know whether or not it was the 80, 83, or JVC just by looking at the PQ.

Everything needs to be taken IN CONTEXT and applied to your own situation.
OPPO is not making a blanket statement that the BDP-80 will not look good on larger screens.
They are implying that it is not a "superior" end result like with the BDP-83.
OPPO products strive to be the best they can be for a reasonable price, and OPPO is just letting your know, the BDP-83 is better.

I have viewed both the BDP-80 and BDP-83 on a very large pj screen, and while the -80 does still look good, the -83 does look better (talking dvd here).
Also, I could definitely tell the difference in a blind test as well. The BDP-83 just has a look to it that is not matched by any other processor IMO. It retains that film_like image.
Again, not that the -80 doesn't still look nice.

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The Panasonic BD30 was never a great upscailing player. I had a Toshiba XA2 at the time and I always used it for SD disks because of the weak sd playback of the Panasonic. The Oppo BDP80 should be fine for most people.
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You guys should realize that OPPO is West Coast and their employees only work during their business hours (aside from e-mail support, as it is more advantageous to answer e-mails over the weekend, then it is to let them pile up for answering on Monday).

You guys really need to learn a little patience. You will not lose anything by ordering 9 hours after midnight.

Up being wasted all night at the OPPO BDP-80 Kickoff Party doesn't help neither.

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Can anyone comment on the AQ difference between the 80 and 980H using the analog outputs for audio only sources (SACD, CD, DVD-A)? I undestand that the audio section of the 80 is based on the 983H, but I do not know how the 983H compared to the 980H in this regard.

I ask because I am satisfied with the AQ of my 980H and if the 80 is as good or better then I know what to expect.

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For bluray it should be the exact same. The chipset the 83 uses is solely for sd movies.

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