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post #301 of 3937 Old 01-25-2010, 10:57 AM
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I have been one of the BDP80 beta testers for the past several months and I would like to add a few words about the BDP80. My setup consists of the BDP80, BDP83, A DVDO Edge, an Onlyo605, I also own a Pioneer BDP 51 and a Epsons 7500 projector. In most cases I use HDMI output source direct bitstream and let the Onkyo do the audio decoding.

I have compared the video output of both the BDP83 and BDP 80 going direct to the projector and also using source direct going through the Edge. On Blu-Ray disks bypassing the Edge I can not see any difference in quality between the 80 & 83. I can also not see any difference going from the BDP80 SD disks through the Edge to the projector. The difference comes when ones compares the 80 & 83 going direct and not using the Edge. Both the Edge and the 83 use the Abit chip and have the same upscailing qualities. The 80 as most know, does not have the Abit chip so there is a difference on SD disks on very large screens.
This is the reason for the big price difference. I am also happy to report that after using the BD80 for several hundred hours I have had very few issues. Nearly every disk I have tried plays fine. The big question for most is which machine should I choose. It really depends on the size of the screen, the number of SD disks one might have and plan to use and cost.

The BDP 80 is a great unit for those who don't have
1. A projector or very large set. I would say above 50 or 55 inches
2. If you own a good video processor
3. Plan to use mostly Blu-Ray disks
4. Want or need to save some money.

I would suggest the BDP83 for the following situations:
1. Owners of large sets or projectors who do not own external video processors
2. Owners of large SD DVD collections
3. If one needs or wants 1080/24 output for standard disks. (I think it is more of a problem than not with most sd disks. That may be the reason it is not available on the 80)
I have also seen posts about the plastic front on the BDP83. I did not even realize that it is plastic until I checked. It has a nice look and it is also slimmer than the 83. I have only test the audio outputs a few times on both players using component output. I have not been able to hear any difference.

Finally the most import thing for one to consider is if the best upscailing is needed for SD disks. If it is I would recommend the BDP83. In most other cases I feel that the BDP 80 will more that meet one's needs. I have had the pleasure to use it for the past months and since I also own the DVDO Edge it has become my primary Blu-Ray player.
The picture is great and it plays everything I have put into it. It is fast loading. and is very responsive. I don't know if the JVC or a few others machines beat it on loading times. If they do the difference would be very small and be a non issue for most. The menu setup is also very clear. The thing to consider is that with either Oppo unit you are getting a quality machine with amazing product support. If you have any questions we can now answer them. I know that there are cheaper players out there but I don't think one will find a better value. With Oppo units you don't have to worry about disks not playing, freeze ups, and all kinds of other Blu-Ray issues. You will also be getting the best support in the business and firmware upgrades as needed.

If one wants to see one of the best reviews see the job that Gonk did.

http://www.prillaman.net/oppobdp80_review.html

Great insight buddy. I would even add suspect a 60" display will not have any issue with the BDP-80 neither.

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Just ordered mine - very excited!

Not sure if anyone knows the answer to this question or not: Should I use the BDP-80's video processing or that of my Denon 1909 (Faroudja DCDi)?

I guess this is a newbie question, but is there an easy way to compare video processing performance?
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For bluray it should be the exact same. The chipset the 83 uses is solely for sd movies.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. I've edited my post for clarification.

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I plan on order this player for my dad.

Just wanted to clarify about this. Is the ABT only used for upscaling? From my interpretation from reading is that it is a yes. So I were playing a Blu-ray in 1080p, the picture is the same between BDP80/83/83SE since the ABT is bypassed/not used, correct?

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It would be reasonable for Oppo to claim the "large screen" territory for the 83 model and the 80 for smaller screens simply for marketing reasons.

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Barney, I agree it would probably be difficult to even see a difference on most 60 inch sets. If you are using a 1080p projector I do fee that one can notice the difference with the BDP 83 for SD disks. Most of the others will be more than happy with the BDP80. It is a great machine at a decent price.

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I plan on order this player for my dad.

Just wanted to clarify about this. Is the ABT only used for upscaling? From my interpretation from reading is that it is a yes. So I were playing a Blu-ray in 1080p, the picture is the same between BDP80/83/83SE since the ABT is bypassed/not used, correct?

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The ABT2010 is a video processing chip used by the BDP-83. It is a very capable video processor (used in the DVDO Edge video processor). It is one of the strengths behind the BDP-83. The BDP-80 omits this chip - which is one reason that it costs 42% less.

The SoC is the central chip for any Blu-ray player. It handles most of the computational "heavy lifting" - decoding the raw video data from the disc as well as any necessary audio processing (decoding, bass management, etc.). These chips are capable of the video processing required to manage the multiple source video resolutions that a Blu-ray player will encounter, including scaling and deinterlacing DVD so it can be output at HD resolutions. In the BDP-83, the SoC does these tasks for the component video output but hands off the decoded video signal to the ABT2010 without video processing. This is true for Blu-ray as well as DVD. The ABT2010 does more than simply scale DVD video sources. It does all video processing (after essential decoding) for the HDMI output. In the BDP-80, the SoC will do all video processing because there is not ABT processor present. How well will it do that? There's no spec to define it, and anyone with first-hand experience can't talk about it until Monday.
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Any known bugs with the 80 at this time?

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I plan on order this player for my dad.

Just wanted to clarify about this. Is the ABT only used for upscaling? From my interpretation from reading is that it is a yes. So I were playing a Blu-ray in 1080p, the picture is the same between BDP80/83/83SE since the ABT is bypassed/not used, correct?

Thanks

ABT processing is bypassed if you choose Source Direct on the -83 or -83SE. But using it or not using it I would suspect Blu-ray performance to be similar across all the players.

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Basically, what I am reading between the lines, is that if you have a video processor that is at least equal in performance to the 83's ABT chip, you can use the BDP-80 without losing upconverted DVD picture quality compared to the BDP-83. Is that a correct and fair statement?
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For bluray it should be the exact same. The chipset the 83 uses is solely for sd movies.

Cough, 1080i BD movies, DVD24P playback, multiple Zooms are a few reasons to use a ABT 2010 in addition to video processing of SD-DVD content.

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Any known bugs with the 80 at this time?

Create some!

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Any known bugs with the 80 at this time?

Maybe.
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Cough, 1080i BD movies, DVD24P playback, multiple Zooms are a few reasons to use a ABT 2010 in addition to video processing of SD-DVD content.

Are you saying 1080i BD performance is better on the 83 than the 80?

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It would be reasonable for Oppo to claim the "large screen" territory for the 83 model and the 80 for smaller screens simply for marketing reasons.

And, they have used this practice for quite awhile in charts about their various players. It's just that recently there has only been player offered, and that is the -83.

Caesar, not sure why you would want to send 1080i...that would make the player interlace the program, and then your projector need to deinterlace it while also scaling it. I would think you would be best to go directly with 720p.
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Maybe.

Am I missing the joke here?

Anyone willing to answer with a helpful response?

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No one has the player, and Beta Testers will not willingly divulge bugs.
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And, they have used this practice for quite awhile in charts about their various players. It's just that recently there has only been player offered, and that is the -83.

Caesar, not sure why you would want to send 1080i...that would make the player interlace the program, and then your projector need to deinterlace it while also scaling it. I would think you would be best to go directly with 720p.

I tried that -- but 1080i from the bd-30 looked better, than 720p to the projector (I think the Panasonic chip is really meant to only output at 1080p). Hence my question as to the Oppo 80 -- how is the 720p output?
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Am I missing the joke here?

Anyone willing to answer with a helpful response?

You set a high hurdle.

Bugs the beta testers know about they cannot discuss unless someone not under NDA reveals them first.

However, I can say this without violating the NDA: this is a solid, reliable product and has been since the day I first unpacked it.

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Basically, what I am reading between the lines, is that if you have a video processor that is at least equal in performance to the 83's ABT chip, you can use the BDP-80 without losing upconverted DVD picture quality compared to the BDP-83. Is that a correct and fair statement?

yes

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The BD30 uses an early version of Panasonic's Uniphier chip (which I may have misspelled). I didn't find it to be an especially remarkable DVD player - slow layer changes and run-of-the-milll scaling/deinterlacing performance. My BD30 is on loan to a friend, so I can't do a direct comparison, but if you don't mind relying on old memories and separate evaluations I would say that the BDP-80 will have the advantage over the BD30 on DVD playback.

Thanks, but I'm wondering about blu-ray playback only when outputting 720p (DVD quality doesnt' concern me, since it isn't that great to begin with, and I rarely play DVDs anymore).

In other words, do you think the BD 80 chipset be better for outputting blu-rays at 720p, than the bd-30's unipher chipset?
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However, I can say this without violating the NDA: this is a solid, reliable product and has been since the day I first unpacked it.

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+1, I think the entire beta group has been impressed with the stability of this player, and we've had it for around 6 months. But there's no such thing as a BD player without bugs. It's also true that a bug that's never publicly discovered is not a bug at all.
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Basically, what I am reading between the lines, is that if you have a video processor that is at least equal in performance to the 83's ABT chip, you can use the BDP-80 without losing upconverted DVD picture quality compared to the BDP-83. Is that a correct and fair statement?

Yes, it is.
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You set a high hurdle.

Bugs the beta testers know about they cannot discuss unless someone not under NDA reveals them first.

However, I can say this without violating the NDA: this is a solid, reliable product and has been since the day I first unpacked it.

-Bill

I'll second Bill's comment.

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I'll go ahead and say as well, the BDP-80 is a very fine player.
This is not one of those products where you wait on the sidelines and see how the first owners like it, or see what bugs they uncover.
This is one of those products that's a slam dunk. As long as the specs meet your criteria, then go for it.

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Are you saying 1080i BD performance is better on the 83 than the 80?

Yes, but not that noticeable. You still need to perform scaling, and video processing on a typical 1080i concert BD video when outputted as 1080P.

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So you verified the 80's component out works exactly the same as the 83's?

Someone here made it sound like if the 80 was set to auto and a 1080p/24 BR disc was playing then it would output 1080p/24 over HDMI and 1080i over component.

Well, I took the bull by the horns and emailed Oppo, and got a clear answer within a couple of hours. I now understand how both work and why. Great customer service:

"For the BDP-80, a]s long as you have 24p disabled (Video Setup) and are not using Source Direct, then component and HDMI will be active at the same time. Component will be 1080i restricted.

With the BDP-83 you need to set the PRIMARY OUTPUT to COMPONENT. When set to HDMI the player will be sending 24Hz to the decoder. 24Hz is not supported as an analog signal. In order to get a 60Hz signal the player must do the decoding, which is why COMPONENT needs to be set as the PRIMARY OUTPUT."
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While I didn't beta the 80, I still find those statements hard to believe. In winstons testing of the original 83, he scored it's SD upconversion as a "10". He has scored the 80 as a "9", which still makes it one of the best upconverting units. I've been using the JVC on my 126" screen (it was rated an "8") and the picture is fantastic on SD material (for SD). By all accounts the 80 should be even better, so I wouldn't hesitate to tell people with large screens to get one (assuming they need a universal player - if not, I wouldn't). The 83 might be better with SD material, but I think the difference would only be noticeable if viewed side by side or by switching back and forth. If you came over and watched SD material on my 126" screen, and I didn't tell you what BD player I was using, I seriously doubt anyone would know whether or not it was the 80, 83, or JVC just by looking at the PQ.

Thanks!..this has been helpful. Most comparisons that have been made are against the 83 which we know is better, and I do realize the 80 was just released today, so time will tell, but I've never seen another player that makes the claim of not being "recommended" for a large screen, so it is a concern...OTOH I take it as OPPO's commitment to quality!..which is why I'm still in the middle...for now .
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Well, I took the bull by the horns and emailed Oppo, and got a clear answer within a couple of hours. I now understand how both work and why. Great customer service:

"For the BDP-80, a]s long as you have 24p disabled (Video Setup) and are not using Source Direct, then component and HDMI will be active at the same time. Component will be 1080i restricted.

With the BDP-83 you need to set the PRIMARY OUTPUT to COMPONENT. When set to HDMI the player will be sending 24Hz to the decoder. 24Hz is not supported as an analog signal. In order to get a 60Hz signal the player must do the decoding, which is why COMPONENT needs to be set as the PRIMARY OUTPUT."

So they do work differently. Thank you for contacting Oppo.
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You set a high hurdle.

Bugs the beta testers know about they cannot discuss unless someone not under NDA reveals them first.

However, I can say this without violating the NDA: this is a solid, reliable product and has been since the day I first unpacked it.

-Bill

From previous posts here from beta testers I thought such things could be said once the player was officially released. Thank you for the clarification.

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+1, I think the entire beta group has been impressed with the stability of this player, and we've had it for around 6 months. But there's no such thing as a BD player without bugs. It's also true that a bug that's never publicly discovered is not a bug at all.

I guess the question for me becomes what bugs are present that would bother me. I'll continue to monitor this thread to see what's revealed.


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I'll go ahead and say as well, the BDP-80 is a very fine player.
This is not one of those products where you wait on the sidelines and see how the first owners like it, or see what bugs they uncover.
This is one of those products that's a slam dunk. As long as the specs meet your criteria, then go for it.

That's good to hear. I've already been on one firmware adventure with my Pio 51 and I do not want another.

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Yes, but not that noticeable. You still need to perform scaling, and video processing on a typical 1080i concert BD video when outputted as 1080P.

Thanks. Hopefully we will hear from other Pio Elite 151 plasma owners that can give me a good indication of how the 80 performs on this TV, especially compared to the 83.

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I called Oppo to ask about the possiblity of them adding streaming down the road. They told me Netflix, Pandora, etc will unfortunaltey not be available. I didn't ask for anymore details about streaming than that.
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