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post #331 of 3937 Old 01-25-2010, 12:53 PM
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It just bothers me that som blu-ray discs are 1080i. Why, I don´t understand.
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It just bothers me that som blu-ray discs are 1080i. Why, I don´t understand.

There are two reasons I am aware of.

1. The source material was shot in 1080i which is true for a lot of HD video sourced material like concerts and some TV shows not taken from film. TV video cameras are still interlaced in many cases.

2. Some early Blu-Rays were in 1080i for reasons known only to the original manufacturers. Possibly the equipment available to capture the source material, but I don't know. I think this second situation has pretty much disappeared.

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While I didn't beta the 80, I still find those statements hard to believe. In winstons testing of the original 83, he scored it's SD upconversion as a "10". He has scored the 80 as a "9", which still makes it one of the best upconverting units. I've been using the JVC on my 126" screen (it was rated an "8") and the picture is fantastic on SD material (for SD). By all accounts the 80 should be even better, so I wouldn't hesitate to tell people with large screens to get one (assuming they need a universal player - if not, I wouldn't). The 83 might be better with SD material, but I think the difference would only be noticeable if viewed side by side or by switching back and forth. If you came over and watched SD material on my 126" screen, and I didn't tell you what BD player I was using, I seriously doubt anyone would know whether or not it was the 80, 83, or JVC just by looking at the PQ.

Stew4msu,

I agree with your 100%. Unfortunately some believe they need to spend in excess of $1k to do their large screens justice.


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It just bothers me that som blu-ray discs are 1080i. Why, I don´t understand.

I've seen some examples that have very impressive picture quality. The TORCHWOOD series has scenes shot with an HD camera that are so sharp it is eerie. I wouldn't want everything done that way.

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It would be reasonable for Oppo to claim the "large screen" territory for the 83 model and the 80 for smaller screens simply for marketing reasons.

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fafner,

You hit the nail right on the head about marketing. However, I can see them recommending the BDP-83 for larger screens since ABT would probably be more revealing than the lesser solution in the BDP-80 for DVD playback on a larger screen, but who knows.


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fafner,

You hit the nail right on the head. However, I can see them recommending the BDP-83 for larger screens since ABT would probably be more revealing than the lesser solution in the BDP-80 for DVD playback, but who knows.


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The BDP-83 offers zoom mode and scaling for a constant-height or anamorphic projector setup. The BDP-83 does the vertical squeezing to properly display via a projector with an anamorphic lens, which eliminates the need for a video processor for the scaling.

Its not all about marketing reasons.

The BDP-80 really fits for folk that want a digital transport with bit-perfect Source Direct output for those who already have a high-end video scaler, either stand-alone, in an AVR, or display.

Isn't the the BDP-80 also the least expensive player to market with Source Direct video output?

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The ABT2010 is a video processing chip used by the BDP-83. It is a very capable video processor (used in the DVDO Edge video processor). It is one of the strengths behind the BDP-83. The BDP-80 omits this chip - which is one reason that it costs 42% less.

The SoC is the central chip for any Blu-ray player. It handles most of the computational "heavy lifting" - decoding the raw video data from the disc as well as any necessary audio processing (decoding, bass management, etc.). These chips are capable of the video processing required to manage the multiple source video resolutions that a Blu-ray player will encounter, including scaling and deinterlacing DVD so it can be output at HD resolutions. In the BDP-83, the SoC does these tasks for the component video output but hands off the decoded video signal to the ABT2010 without video processing. This is true for Blu-ray as well as DVD. The ABT2010 does more than simply scale DVD video sources. It does all video processing (after essential decoding) for the HDMI output. In the BDP-80, the SoC will do all video processing because there is not ABT processor present. How well will it do that? There's no spec to define it, and anyone with first-hand experience can't talk about it until Monday.

Thanks robert. That pretty much answers my questions.

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ABT processing is bypassed if you choose Source Direct on the -83 or -83SE. But using it or not using it I would suspect Blu-ray performance to be similar across all the players.

-Bill

Since I will not be using source direct it will be either the SoC or the ABT for the players. It would be safe to say in this case that the performance difference between the two would be very subtle. The the unit would be used on a 46" LCD (when the time comes), right now the plan is to get the BDP-80 to be used on a 28" CRT for my dad.

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Perhaps this will put an end to the oh-so-popular reco to buy a PS3....

-just below the PS3 price point
-comes with a factory IR remote
-plays DVD-A
-does not sound like a hair dryer

some of us just don't want/need a game console in our rack
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Perhaps this will put an end to the oh-so-popular reco to buy a PS3....
-does not sound like a hair dryer

some of us just don't want/need a game console in our rack

This is exactly why I'm going with either the 80 or the 83!
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I have been beta testing the BDP80 for about five months. Having both the BDP83 and the 80 I have been able to compare the two. The BDP80 has been great to use as a transport since it has source direct. I have it going into my Dvdo Edge and it has been working great. It is somewhat more expensive than other players out there but I feel you are getting a much better machine. It plays nearly everything you pop into it, has source direct, is fast loading and has frequent firmware updates when needed. This is the perfect machine to replace the PS3 for many. In a previous post I described the differences between the BDP83 & BDP 80. They are both great units. With its lower price the BDP80 will appeal to more people it is really worth the price difference between cheaper players.

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Perhaps this will put an end to the oh-so-popular reco to buy a PS3....

-does not sound like a hair dryer

I have used my PS3 as my sole BD player for a few years now and it has been a great BD player and did a nice job with upconverting DVDs on my 50" Samsung. I have grown sick and tired of the PS3 fan noise and it drives me crazy. After about ten minutes my PS3 fan kicks into warp drive mode. The only time I don't notice it is during loud action scenes. This is why, when I get my tax refund, I will be buying the BDP-80. It's time to get a dedicated BD player for my theater. The PS3 will still be around for games, Netflix and streaming music/videos over my home network. The BDP-80 will become the work horse for BDs and DVDs.

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Isn't the the BDP-80 also the least expensive player to market with Source Direct video output?

Not using street pricing. The Pioneer would be considerably less expensive.
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In winstons testing of the original 83, he scored it's SD upconversion as a "10". He has scored the 80 as a "9", which still makes it one of the best upconverting units. I've been using the JVC on my 126" screen (it was rated an "8") and the picture is fantastic on SD material (for SD).

Just trying to decide if going from that "8" to "9" will be worth it on my 65" LCD. Decisions, decisions.
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Not using street pricing. The Pioneer would be considerably less expensive.

But with little future support.

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Is it correct to assume that you can only get the back-lit remote if you order direct from Oppo? That would convince me to order direct. I think Amazon would only sell the player with no added options.

Man it be sweet if there was an option for an aluminum faceplate. I'd pay for that.
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Man it be sweet if there was an option for an aluminum faceplate. I'd pay for that.

$3, 210 more?

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Just trying to decide if going from that "8" to "9" will be worth it on my 65" LCD. Decisions, decisions.

Wait a few days and I'll tell you.

I just got shipping notification on my order with 3-day shipping. I'll be comparing the BDP-80 to a PS3 Slim and a Toshiba HD-A35 top end HD DVD player for both Blu-ray (PS3) and SD DVD (PS3 and HD-A35). The display will be a Pioneer Elite PRO-FPJ1 (JVC RS2 clone) shooting a 106" diag. on a color corrected Dalite screen.

We'll see if "not recommeded" for larger screens means what I think it means.
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I just got shipping notification on my order with 3-day shipping.

Mine shows "shipped" but the FedEx tracking number isn't active yet... probably sitting on the Oppo warehouse dock waiting to be picked up by FedEx.

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Can someone tell me whether there is any single advantage of BDP-83 over BDP-80 when used with 1080p material via non-source direct and bitstream to the AVR, especially if "Detail Enhancement", "Edge Enhancement" and "Noise Reduction" features of the ABT processor are not used? Does the screen size matter in this regard?
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Does the screen size matter in this regard?

Screen size ALWAYS matters . However, according to information others have gotten from Oppo, the 80 and 83 both handle Blu-ray content (1080p) the same through HDMI.
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Can someone tell me whether there is any single advantage of BDP-83 over BDP-80 when used with 1080p material via non-source direct and bitstream to the AVR, especially if "Detail Enhancement", "Edge Enhancement" and "Noise Reduction" features of the ABT processor are not used? Does the screen size matter in this regard?

The consensus is that BR image quality will be very similar across all BR players when producing 1080p from 1080p24 sources, the most common case. Which agrees with theory.

The BDP-83 has better zoom modes, which matter only for certain users.

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Perhaps other than better zoom modes, as someone who uses his BDP-83 primarily with 1080p material via non-source direct and bitstreaming to the AVR, I had splurged 42% more money on BDP-83, right? Because;

- as to the PQ, there seems to be no difference between BDP-80 and BDP-83, or even other BD players for that matter that can output 1080p; and

- as to the AQ, since, assuming that my Denon AVR-988 has a better DAC than that of BDP-83, I bitstream to my AVR.

As a matter of fact, I do not benefit from any AQ features of BDP-83 at all, and in terms of PQ, even if I benefit from the ABT processor of BDP-83, it seems that it does not make any difference with 1080p material.

I wish there was a downgrade option...

A side question: Isn't the zoom function beneficial especially for projector users and -perhaps- not recommend for regular LCD HD TV users, as using any zoom mode would degrade the PQ?
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Does anyone know what DACs the BD80 uses for audio?
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Does anyone know what DACs the BD80 uses for audio?

The BDP-80 uses the same DAC that was found in the 980H and 983H: the Cirrus Logic CS4361.

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Conclusion

There are a few that will look at the above lists of differences and feel that one (or more) is a deal breaker. The upside is that the BDP-80 is still a remarkable value at $500. For $289, the BDP-80 is ridiculous. So, who should buy the BDP-80? The major downside (for most) will be the video processing. If you have a device in your chain that handles upconversion well (like a top of the line display, an upconverting receiver, or a standalone video processor), than you should be fine. Alternatively, if you are upgrading from a cheapo Blu-ray or universal player and don't care about video processing or watch on a smallish screen and/or from a great distance, perhaps you'll be OK. For those that want a player that some think is worth $3500, the BDP-83 is for you. For those that want a one box solution but don't care that much about all those bells and whistles, check out the BDP-80. Either way, you are getting a lot of performance and features for not a lot of scratch. At least until an A/V manufacturer with high-end aspirations decides to drop it in a pretty case and charge enough for a used car.

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The consensus is that BR image quality will be very similar across all BR players when producing 1080p from 1080p24 sources, the most common case. Which agrees with theory.


I will point out that "very similar" is not the same thing as "the same". With screen sizes below 60", I would agree that the differences between players is small enough that only a trained/experienced observer can see what are generally very subtle differences between players. However, on larger displays, even small difference can become fairly apparent.

For example, I can clearly see an increase in sharpness and fine detail between the PS3 and either Sony or Pioneer Elite players. even the last couple of models of Samsung players look slightly sharper than the PS3.

My expectation is that the BDP-80 will produce a Blu-ray image of the quality of the best Sonys and Pioneer Elites in source direct mode. If so, I will be a very happy camper with this and the other features of the Oppo.
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A side question: Isn't the zoom function beneficial especially for projector users and -perhaps- not recommend for regular LCD HD TV users, as using any zoom mode would degrade the PQ?

For constant image height users, yes that is the best use.

But some people just hate black bars. And 4:3 letterboxed DVDs can properly be zoomed to full screen width.

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Is it correct to assume that you can only get the back-lit remote if you order direct from Oppo? That would convince me to order direct. I think Amazon would only sell the player with no added options.

Well, the player isn't even for sale at Amazon.com, and who knows when it will be.
So your only option is to buy it from OPPO.

If and/or when Amazon does have it for sale, I'm 99.9% sure there will not be an option for a backlit remote.
However, if you were to contact OPPO directly, they would probably sell you one outright.
Just the same as if you needed a replacement remote for a BDP-83.

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Can someone tell me whether there is any single advantage of BDP-83 over BDP-80 when used with 1080p material via non-source direct and bitstream to the AVR, especially if "Detail Enhancement", "Edge Enhancement" and "Noise Reduction" features of the ABT processor are not used? Does the screen size matter in this regard?

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Perhaps other than better zoom modes, as someone who uses his BDP-83 primarily with 1080p material via non-source direct and bitstreaming to the AVR, I had splurged 42% more money on BDP-83, right? Because;

- as to the PQ, there seems to be no difference between BDP-80 and BDP-83, or even other BD players for that matter that can output 1080p; and

- as to the AQ, since, assuming that my Denon AVR-988 has a better DAC than that of BDP-83, I bitstream to my AVR.

As a matter of fact, I do not benefit from any AQ features of BDP-83 at all, and in terms of PQ, even if I benefit from the ABT processor of BDP-83, it seems that it does not make any difference with 1080p material.

I wish there was a downgrade option...

When did you buy the BDP-83? If it was less than 30 days ago, then you can still return it to OPPO.

If the only reason you ever bought the BDP-83 was for watching only Blu-ray movies at 1080p, then that wasn't the wisest chioce to begin with.
If you use the player to also watch upconverted dvds on a screen larger the 37-42" or more, then the BDP-83 will have better PQ anyway.

Instead of wondering how much money you may have wasted, you should be happy in knowing that you own a player that other OEMs believe is worth 7 times more than what you paid.
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Perhaps other than better zoom modes, as someone who uses his BDP-83 primarily with 1080p material via non-source direct and bitstreaming to the AVR, I had splurged 42% more money on BDP-83, right? Because;

- as to the PQ, there seems to be no difference between BDP-80 and BDP-83, or even other BD players for that matter that can output 1080p; and

- as to the AQ, since, assuming that my Denon AVR-988 has a better DAC than that of BDP-83, I bitstream to my AVR.

As a matter of fact, I do not benefit from any AQ features of BDP-83 at all, and in terms of PQ, even if I benefit from the ABT processor of BDP-83, it seems that it does not make any difference with 1080p material.

I wish there was a downgrade option...


Guys, especially expert forumites, I will really appreciate your comments on my above statement. Am I too pessimistic? Or am I missing a feature of BDP-83 that BDP-80 is missing which can be considered a deal breaker in the above scenario, considering my needs and usage?

I think the summary of my situation is as follows: I paid more than 200 dollars in vain, and in order to have a better player, I need to pay 299 more for BDP-83SE upgrade, which costs more than the BDP-80 itself! (BTW, even in this case, I cannot opt to the upgrade option because of not having the original receipt due to the fact that I had bought my BDP-83 on ebay, as I live in Europe and wanted a hardware modified player for region-free. As a matter of fact, I am stuck with an unnecessarily expensive player.
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