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What do you personally feel you would be gaining with the Oppo causing you to second guess the Pioneer???

Probably better future tech support and FW updates.

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Thanks...I think.

But there is still something I don't understand. Almost everyone agrees that BR PQ is pretty much the same across all players. Yet, there are opinions that the PQ of DVD's varies widely. How can this happen if the same chip is used?

Different software?

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Strangely enough, it is harder to get a good image out of DVD than BR. DVD video must be deinterlaced and scaled, where BR is already progressive and pretty much ready to display.

For much more background and DVD examples, see the Home Theater shootout articles as linked in the BDP-83 FAQ: Is the DVD picture quality of this player amazingly better than any other player?

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Load times of various players:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post16678123

all disc load times are from putting the disc in the tray and the clock starts ticking when i press the open/close button.

keep in mind i have the slow eap drive, which means my powered off eject time is 11 seconds.

I was going to say, yes the later Oppo BDP-83 drives were even faster, as you documented.

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To help prove my point, if I power on my Toshiba HD-XA2 with the eject button, it takes like 1.2 billion years before the tray opens.
This certainly contributes to how long it takes to get a movie started, so the same criteria is to be considered with BD players as well.

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Probably better future tech support and FW updates.

Well I'm unsure if he purchased it himself but if he did and this was a concern, why buy it in the first place??

I know why I've stayed clear of some manufacturers despite how good the playback quality may be.
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yup, tired that one. Problem is once you connect a 2 ch display source (LCD) down stream to the 983, it dumbs down all audio to 2 ch, which makes the main 2 ch as well. I think this is part of the HDMI spec.

What EXACTLY are you trying to accomplish?
What is the exact setup for both rooms?
There are so many variables, it's hard to help.
I know about the variables, as I have the same type of setup.

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Thanks...I think.

But there is still something I don't understand. Almost everyone agrees that BR PQ is pretty much the same across all players. Yet, there are opinions that the PQ of DVD's varies widely. How can this happen if the same chip is used?

Different software?

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Blu-ray is already HD. The source material is generally at either 1080p (most common) or 1080i (less common). Thus if a player doesn't do anything "stupid" to mess things up, you have a great HD image available to deliver to your display.

DVD is not HD, but we are showing it on HDTV's that need to have the signal converted to their native HD resolution. This means we will have to deinterlace the 480i signal to 480p and then scale it to a higher resolution. These are not trivial conversions. They are complex. Better software and hardware yields a better picture. Just because a player isn't messing up a Blu-ray's HD signal doesn't mean it is going to do a good job of scaling and deinterlacing a DVD's SD signal.

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You all say that it might appeal to sacd users, but it turns DSD to PCM at the analog outputs. So its not that appealing. John M.

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You all say that it might appeal to sacd users, but it turns DSD to PCM at the analog outputs. So its not that appealing. John M.

SACD users who want a player with DSD-compatible DAC's would need to move up to the BDP-83. Those DAC's are one reason that the BDP-83 costs $210 more than the BDP-80. Of course, there have been a whole lot of SACD players over the years that required converting DSD to PCM before converting to analog. Most of those didn't even have the option to output DSD over HDMI, which the BDP-80 can do.

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SACD users who want a player with DSD-compatible DAC's would need to move up to the BDP-83. Those DAC's are one reason that the BDP-83 costs $210 more than the BDP-80. Of course, there have been a whole lot of SACD players over the years that required converting DSD to PCM before converting to analog. Most of those didn't even have the option to output DSD over HDMI, which the BDP-80 can do.

There are many players and processors that convert DSD to PCM and don't bother to tell you about it.
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Thanks.

Perhaps the web page said "fast" rather than "faster." In any case, the JVC VX BP-1 has set the standard for starting time, and the figures for the Oppo 83 are signifcantly slower than the JVC. A quick starting time is key for me.

I'm still interested in knowing what components in a player are involved in playing back data files. I don't believe I have ever seen any information on this.

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fafner,

I don't know where you read "the JVC VX BP-1 has set the standard for starting time, and the figures for the Oppo 83 are signifcantly slower than the JVC." I own both players and this is from my post #250, dated 06/06/09 in the JVC-XBBP1 Owners Thread:

The Oppo speed tests versus the JVC using the Dark Knight blu-ray. The JVC times are in blue and the Oppo times in black. Also, times are in seconds unless otherwise noted:

ALL ARE FROM A TRAY OPEN POSITION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TEST 4
to Piracy Screen - 20, 16
  1. to Warner Brother logo - 32, 28
  2. to beginning of movie - 1:13, 1:07
  3. Power on disc in tray to start of movie - 1:26, 1:18

All times were consistent and repeatable. However, different media may yield different results. That said; it's the closet I've experienced with times comparable to my Oppo as far as speed depending on the media.


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Probably better future tech support and FW updates.

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I highly doubt there are any that will beat an OPPO hands down on a consistent basis.

The LG 390 is faster.

CD

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Are you happy with the dvd upscaling? If so, might as well keep it. There will be no (or little) difference in blu ray playback....

What about a panasonic bd-30 (will the 80 be better for blu ray playback)?


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By then, there will probably be about 500 posts!

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We will get there soon enough, just give it a week.

It's Sunday evening at we're already at almost 200 posts. I'm sure by the end of Monday we'll be spinning so fast with posts our heads will explode, and we'll likely blow past 500 at about 8pm (EST).

I quite like my BDP-83, and would probably still pony up the extra dough if I needed to replace it, but the BDP-80 makes for a very tempting device for another room. Hmm, I could use a BD/DVD/SACD/DVD-A player at work, right...?

This player pretty well meets my expectations. And I will recommend it to anyone who doesn't need the most basic of BD requirements (pending reviews, naturally).

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What about a panasonic bd-30 (will the 80 be better for blu ray playback)?

The general forum consensus is that all BR players are very similar in Blu-ray picture quality, especially when producing 1080p from 1080p24 native sources, the most common case. This will also be true of the BDP-80.

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I think many people disregard or fail to realize this is a strong
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This is one reason, among others, that I'm considering replacing my Pio with an Oppo.

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Wow! The way people pick apart electronics is laughable. Buy the equipment within your budget that best satisfies most of your needs and enjoy, but I guess that would be too easy.


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What about a panasonic bd-30 (will the 80 be better for blu ray playback)?

We'll have to wait until tomorrow before anyone can speak specifically about the BDP-80's performance for the reasons discussed previously. For some aspects of Blu-ray support, my BDP-83 review touches on how the BD30 compares to the BDP-80's big brother. I owned a BD30 prior to the BDP-83.

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The LG 390 is faster.

CD

Since the BDP-80 has not been released, you can't make a statement like that, you don't know.

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I highly doubt there are any that will beat an OPPO hands down on a consistent basis.

This is probably true.

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The LG 390 is faster.

CD

Cattledog,

I didn't know that you had a Oppo BDP-80 already. How does dvd playback compare to the LG? Last, how much faster is the LG 390 than the BDP-80?

All kidding aside. How about we wait until the player is released to judge its speed against other players.


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Why did Oppo decide to leave out the 24p conversion? Many people still have a large SD library and there are lower priced players on the market with this capability.
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24p from DVD was handled by the ABT VRS solution in the BDP-83. Don't think they will try to get the decoder (SOC) to do it on the BDP-80, as even the VRS was having hard times properly reproducing 24p from DVD.

24p really is only advantageous for Blu-ray, which is primarily 24p on the disc.
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I am wondering..if the new Oppo will get around the Macro-blocking like the 970/980 does? Just how much SD improvement will one see over the 980 and if there will still be the 1 second skip on the cd audio?

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I am wondering..if the new Oppo will get around the Macro-blocking like the 970/980 does? Just how much SD improvement will one see over the 980 and if there will still be the 1 second skip on the cd audio?

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Macro-blocking issues involved the older Faroudja video processing which is no longer used by any Oppo players.

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Thanks for all the input. My main reason for returning Pioneer 23FD & getting Oppo is mainly faster load times & firmware support. With Pioneer not showing any BD players at CES & with Bestbuy showing signs of trying to clear out Pioneer Elite I just don't want to be stuck with a player with little to no support.

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... if there will still be the 1 second skip on the cd audio?

1 second, no.

Half a note, very possible, especially if you are using any digital interfaces.
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Why did Oppo decide to leave out the 24p conversion? Many people still have a large SD library and there are lower priced players on the market with this capability.

It's been my experience that forced 24fps conversion invites as many issues as quality it creates.
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Macro-blocking issues involved the older Faroudja video processing which is no longer used by any Oppo players.

Does the media tech chipset keep this from happening on all displays?

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Yes, because the macroblocking enhancement was a byproduct of Faroudja DCDi FLI2310 processing. There may be macroblocking on the source, but the MTK (and other processors) will not enhance the macroblocking further.
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