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post #451 of 1055 Old 10-21-2010, 07:02 AM
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Hi! I have had both the vp50pro and the edge, and I experienced sometimes
what looked like stairs on diaginal lines. And also on a rope or pole, some diagonal lines through it.

Don´t remember in wich resolution, was some time since i had those. Now
going with the denon dvp-602, and have not noticed them.

I noticed diagonal lines on a marantz ud9004 wich i had home a couple
of weeks. It was when watching a dvd in 1080p. And this has the realta chip...
Strange, did not thing the realta had that. These are more noticable when
enhancer is up a bit. Also sharpening enhances these diagonal lines.

batborsen,

Thanks for sharing that. I have an Oppo BDP-83SE, which uses the ABT2010, but I've never seem such a phenomenon. However, I would suspect that the transport doesn't have all of the features vp50pro or Edge.

It is also interesting that the Realta in the Denon DVP-602 doesn't exhibit the problem, but the Realta in the Marantz UD9004 does. I guess we are back to processor versus transport even though they share the same chip.

In a previous post you mentioned the HQV Vida. I know Yamaha is using this chip in their RX-A2000/A3000. Have you heard anything about the prowess of this chip?


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I have not heard any reviews about the implementation of the vida in yamaha.
But I just don`t like the looks of yamaha that much

It has not been mentioned in the reviews of the ud9004 that it should have
any flaw, so it might be a setting on mine that is wrong.
I do spend a coin on powercables and hdmi cables so it can`t be that either.

But now we are off topic here, sorry
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Thanks for the Marantz France link (it's a hilarious and telling sign o' the times that we're getting that kind of product information via freakin' Facebook). It looks like I have to "Like" Marantz France before I can comment? What if I don't Like them?

That's more substantive than some of the other "information" posted that may--or very well may not--apply to the market where most of the folks not just in this thread but in the larger market for this player in general are located (the U.S.).
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I recently had a conversation with some of the folks at Denon, and they assure me that both players are still on track for release in the US with the DBP-1611 expected in December and the DBP-2011 expected in January. both are available for pre-order now from a few places.



I checked my notes from the briefing in April and don't see anything about Denon Link but I can check in to see if it wil be available.

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Per Denon, no Denon Link on either player.

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Per Denon, no Denon Link on either player.

-CB

Chris, If you happen to talk with DENON again soon, could you ask them if the DBP2011's component video ports will be crippled (480p only) if it comes out in the year 2011? Also, I'm assuming only one HDMI port. Is this correct?

I'd really like to get the DBP2011 but am keeping my OPPO options open if this gets delayed much more.

Thanks for the informative article!
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Chris, If you happen to talk with DENON again soon, could you ask them if the DBP2011's component video ports will be crippled (480p only) if it comes out in the year 2011? Also, I'm assuming only one HDMI port. Is this correct?

I'd really like to get the DBP2011 but am keeping my OPPO options open if this gets delayed much more.

Thanks for the informative article!

Andy,

I too am interested in the DBP-2011 in addition to the upcoming offering from Oppo. Based on what limited information available on both players I don't see a compelling difference in favor of the Denon to warrant the price difference ($300.00). DACs are of little value to me and I expect their build quality to be comparable. What am I missing? Also, in the Denon press release they make no mention on the speed of this player. I briefly audition the DBP-2010 and it was slow. I concede that speed may not be a buying consideration for everyone, but in 2010 soon to be 2011 these transport should behave like DVD players and not 2nd generation blu-ray players.


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Andy,

I too am interested in the DBP-2011 in addition to the upcoming offering from Oppo. Based on what limited information available on both players I don't see a compelling difference in favor of the Denon to warrant the price difference ($300.00). DACs are of little value to me and I expect their build quality to be comparable. What am I missing? Also, in the Denon press release they make no mention on the speed of this player. I briefly audition the DBP-2010 and it was slow. I concede that speed may not be a buying consideration for everyone, but in 2010 soon to be 2011 these transport should behave like DVD players and not 2nd generation blu-ray players.


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Willie, I actually have a DBP-2010 at home and you're right it is slow loading, but I'm pleased with image quality and (more importantly) sound quality.

The reasons for a possible DBP-2011 update was to get a 3D player (with DVD-Audio / SACD) before the analog sunset starts. DENON support has always been great, which is one of the reasons that many of our components are DENON. However, the book is open on both players (OPPO and DENON) and therefore I'm keeping my options open, as well.

Of course, after the new DENON/OPPO, the DBP-2010 will become available for sale - got to fund my CE addiction somehow!
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Willie, I actually have a DBP-2010 at home and you're right it is slow loading, but I'm pleased with image quality and (more importantly) sound quality.

The reasons for a possible DBP-2011 update was to get a 3D player (with DVD-Audio / SACD) before the analog sunset starts. DENON support has always been great, which is one of the reasons that many of our components are DENON. However, the book is open on both players (OPPO and DENON) and therefore I'm keeping my options open, as well.

Of course, after the new DENON/OPPO, the DBP-2010 will become available for sale - got to fund my CE addiction somehow!

Andy,

I can understand you wanting 3D, SACD and DVD-A. I'm not on the 3D bandwagon yet and I already own an Oppo BDP-83SE and a Yamaha DVD-S1800 for SACD and DVD-A, so I kind of have that covered. Like you I'm just funding my CE addiction. Either the Denon or the Oppo should be compelling products.

As far as the analog sunset is concerned when is the cut-off for that and does the product have to be released or in production before this cut-off?


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Andy,...

As far as the analog sunset is concerned when is the cut-off for that and does the product have to be released or in production before this cut-off?


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Willie, as I understand it, starting with all players manufactured after 12/31/10, no component outputs may produce anything greater than 480i. After 12/31/13, no Blu-Ray player may be manufactured with any analog video outputs (s-video, component or composite) included.

I think there was also a clause about a software "upgrade" disabling 2011-sold players, but I couldn't find it in a quick search.

For many of us, it's a great way to kill Blu-Ray sales and lead people to on-line.
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Willie, as I understand it, starting with all players manufactured after 12/31/10, no component outputs may produce anything greater than 480i.

This is one reason Oppo is pushing to get the new player out this year. I was told that as long as they sell one player in 2010, the model is exempt.
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I think there was also a clause about a software "upgrade" disabling 2011-sold players, but I couldn't find it in a quick search.

For many of us, it's a great way to kill Blu-Ray sales and lead people to on-line.

Its something that punishes the regular consumer for sure andy

http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...component-2010

This software 'upgrade' you mention sounds similar to the ict token they can sabotage any bluray disc with after Jan 1 2011; If this happens of course it wont matter when a player is manufactured Ide love to see the disc cover stating if the disc is corrupted like this but dont like the odds somehow ..

Any good news on this front would be more than welcome
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I recently had a conversation with some of the folks at Denon, and they assure me that both players are still on track for release in the US with the DBP-1611 expected in December and the DBP-2011 expected in January. both are available for pre-order now from a few places.



I checked my notes from the briefing in April and don't see anything about Denon Link but I can check in to see if it wil be available.

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Chris,

Thanks for this valuable information. Can you share anything on why the players release date got pushed back.


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Curious that--if indeed per CB's former post of info gained from his Denon contact(s), the DBP-2011 has become the DBP-2012--Amazon is still as of this writing taking DBP-2011 pre-orders. Looks like that started on October 1. I guess those pres will be canceled or those folks will receive an e-mail stating the model number change and asking them to confirm their pre-order.
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According to the Denon CI training I was at on 10/25/10....There BD Players will be out after CES in Jan 2011

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Also, I'm assuming only one HDMI port. Is this correct?

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According to the Denon CI training I was at on 10/25/10....There BD Players will be out after CES in Jan 2011

Thanks, Ray. No distinction between the two in terms of release (1611 in December, 2011 (2012?) in January?)--the trainer said both are January? So that would mean both are impacted by "Analog Sunset"? Or did ya'll even get into discussing this? I'd like to think it was discussed at a CI training because, per the Clint DeBoer Audioholics piece, the sunset could potentially impact custom installs.
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Its something that punishes the regular consumer for sure andy

http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...component-2010

This software 'upgrade' you mention sounds similar to the ict token they can sabotage any bluray disc with after Jan 1 2011; If this happens of course it wont matter when a player is manufactured Ide love to see the disc cover stating if the disc is corrupted like this but dont like the odds somehow ..

...

What I remembered reading was this (this is based on a vague memory)...

Players manufactured after a certain date could be released with fully functional 1080i component video outputs. However, for these players, those outputs would have to be downgraded (castrated, OK they didn't use that term) to 480i by a future software upgrade after a second cutoff date. It wasn't the evil ICT but an actual player software upgrade.

I find the industries' desire to remove already working functionality to be most unsettling and boarderline anti-trust. I just wish some component video cable manufacturer (who doesn't make HDMI) would get upset enough to file.

Maybe it's good that I can't find the reference to the above castrating software. Hopefully it was just in my head...
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What I remembered reading was this (this is based on a vague memory)...

Players manufactured after a certain date could be released with fully functional 1080i component video outputs. However, for these players, those outputs would have to be downgraded (castrated, OK they didn't use that term) to 480i by a future software upgrade after a second cutoff date. It wasn't the evil ICT but an actual player software upgrade.

Hopefully it was just in my head...

Found this which I think this has close parallels to your memories and its from the aacs agreement
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2.2.2.1 Analog Sunset - 2010. With the exception of Existing Models, any Licensed Player manufactured after December 31, 2010 shall limit analog video outputs for Decrypted AACS Content to SD Interlace Modes only. Existing Models may be manufactured and sold by Adopter up until December 31, 2011. Notwithstanding the foregoing, Adopter may continue to manufacture and sell an Existing Model in which the implementation of AACS Technology is a Robust Inactive Product after December 31, 2010 provided that when such Robust Inactive Product is activated through a Periodic Update, such Periodic Update results in a Licensed Player that limits analog video outputs for Decrypted AACS Content to SD Interlace Modes only. Nothing in this section shall be interpreted to override limitations or obligations stated in any other section of this Agreement.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/content...gh-def-blu-ray
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Found this which I think this has close parallels to your memories and its from the aacs agreement


http://www.ultimateavmag.com/content...gh-def-blu-ray

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Received an e-mail from Bjorn's this morning about Denon's 100th Anniversary Products, one of which is the DBP-A100, a universal player. $2499. Not 3D.

http://www.bjorns.com/products/Denon...100-51232.aspx
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Received an e-mail from Bjorn's this morning about Denon's 100th Anniversary Products, one of which is the DBP-A100, a universal player. $2499. Not 3D.

http://www.bjorns.com/products/Denon...100-51232.aspx

Denon will be introducing those products at Bjorn's on Wednesday; I think one is paying mostly for the exclusivity of these anniversary products rather than actual performance benefits. Bjorn told me last week that the turntable especially is a thing of beauty, if you are into vinyl.
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I own the 1611UD (EU model) since yesterday.

Does anybody know which chipset Denon uses in the 1611? The UI does not look like the 2010 although the icons look similar. But the visual style looks 'cheaper' and more simplistic.

I opened the case but the chipset is covered by a heatsink. On the mainboard I could read "Mainboard BD-10010" or 100101 (don't know exactly anymore)
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I own the 1611UD (EU model) since yesterday.

Does anybody know which chipset Denon uses in the 1611? The UI does not look like the 2010 although the icons look similar. But the visual style looks 'cheaper' and more simplistic.

I opened the case but the chipset is covered by a heatsink. On the mainboard I could read "Mainboard BD-10010" or 100101 (don't know exactly anymore)

If you take pics of the user interface and boards, I might be able to help. In the past funai used panasonic uniphier chips in these as the primary decoders.
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Not easy because the mainboard is below the disc drive. Only a small part with the CPU is actually visible.
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Not easy because the mainboard is below the disc drive. Only a small part with the CPU is actually visible.

I'm sorry - take pics of the setup menu, picture adjustment, osd, etc
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"I'm sorry - take pics of the setup menu, picture adjustment, osd, etc"


Rathbone - If possible, please also take pics of any SACD setup menus if any, as well. Thanks m8.
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Here you go. Sorry for quality, made them with the camera of my cell.


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