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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/27/d...ol4-streaming/

Right on time, Denon's dropped the details on its hardware for 2010 on us. Taking top honors are two Blu-ray players: the DBP-2011UDCI ($799, August, not pictured) and the DBP-1611UD ($399, June, pictured above) that are touted as "true universal players"; with DVD-Audio and SACD playback out of the box and Blu-ray 3D on the way in a fall firmware update the company's confident they'll play most any 5-inch optical media you may be able to get your hands on. If you're past discs don't worry, Netflix, DLNA and YouTube streaming is also part of the deal.

SACD + Netflix + 3D future proofing. Pretty unique combination if you ask me. If the 1611 ends up at $299 street price, it could be pretty compelling and a must have for me





DENON® EXPANDS ITS ADVANCED UNIVERSAL BLU-RAY LINEUP
WITH TWO NEW 3D-READY HIGH-PERFORMANCE MODELS

--BD Live, 3D-Ready Players Include Netflix, YouTube Streaming and 1GB On-Board Memory--

Mahwah, NJ, April 26, 2010 – Denon Electronics, a premier manufacturer of high-quality home entertainment components celebrating 100 years of innovation and technology leadership in 2010, is providing discriminating consumers the opportunity to enjoy an enriched Blu-ray experience with the addition of two new 3D-Ready Universal Blu-ray players to its lineup. The new models, with expected SRP and availability in parenthesis, include the DBP-2011UDCI (SRP: $799, Aug.) and the DBP-1611UD (SRP: $399, June) that will join Denon's DBP-4010UDCI (SRP: $1,999) and critically acclaimed DVD-A1UDCI (SRP: $4,499) Universal Blu-ray Disc Players in the company's line of Blu-ray components, which also includes the S-5BD BD/Receiver (SRP: $1,799), a single-component that combines a 5.1-channel surround sound receiver with an advanced Profile 2.0 Blu-ray player.

3D-Readiness, Ultimate Quality Audio, True "Universal" Players
Denon's Blu-ray players represent the leading edge in performance and features for the fast-growing high-definition format. The "universal" Blu-ray models provide superior playback of virtually all 5-inch silver discs. To ensure total future-readiness, an upcoming firmware update is scheduled to be available in the fall for 3D capability in the new Blu-ray players. In addition to their ultimate-quality video reproduction, all Denon players reflect the company's longstanding heritage as an audio leader, offering impeccable high-resolution sonic playback, including DVD-Audio and SACD.

Exciting New Content Opportunities, More On-Board Memory
Both new Universal Denon Blu-ray players provide easy and straightforward access to the Internet, opening up new content and networking opportunities. For instance, both offer Netflix* and YouTube streaming and are DLNA 1.5-certified for audio/video/photo streaming with other DLNA certified products across a network. In addition to their many innovative interactivity features, including built-in BD Live and "Bonus View" functionality, they offer leading-edge Web access features with 1GB** of on-board memory for BD-Live playback and a USB connector for additional external memory for media and BD-Live content. The players are designed to enhance a consumer's total home entertainment experience with features such as Kodak Picture CD compatibility, as well as DivX HD+, MP3 and WMA playback (all via either recordable DVD/CD or external memory).

Noted Phil Cohn, Sr. Vice President, Sales & Marketing, Denon Electronics: "As we celebrate our centennial this year, Denon is reaffirming our core principle to provide customers with the best possible options for elevating their home entertainment experience. With our new Universal Blu-ray products, we now offer consumers the best that this exciting new format has to offer, delivering all the audio and video power intended by content providers, as well as a greater level of interactivity and Internet access."

In the new Denon Blu-ray players, ultimate quality audio and video playback is assured. Notably, the new DBP-2011UDCI features inclusion of the very latest Anchor Bay Technologies decoding Engine and Scalar, as well as all-new Burr-Brown 32-Bit, 192-kHz Audio DACs on all channels for unprecedented high-definition audio playback. For ultimate-quality image resolution, both new players feature HDMI v1.4a outputs with 3D and CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) capability and 36-Bit Deep Color. Further enhancing performance, they feature independent pathways for interlaced and progressive display, plus the DBP-2011UDCI has a full complement of advanced decoding circuitry, with decoding of all the latest HD audio formats from Dolby and dts.

Not only do both the new Denon models feature the capability to stream content from the Internet, they join all other players in the company's Universal Blu-ray lineup that are able to utilize their onboard Ethernet ports for BD-Live and firmware update access. Designed as an ideal solution for custom installation, the DBP-2011UDCI includes an RS-232 port for third-party controllers.
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Notably, the new DBP-2011UDCI features inclusion of the very latest Anchor Bay Technologies decoding Engine and Scalar

Witch means...? No more ABT 1030?

Any info about it?

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Keeping my fingers crossed that the 2011UDCI has Denon Link 4th Edition. But that may be too much to hope for...

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Witch means...? No more ABT 1030?

Any info about it?

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Yes the DBP-2011UDCI has the ABT-1030. The DBP-1611UD does not.
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Keeping my fingers crossed that the 2011UDCI has Denon Link 4th Edition. But that may be too much to hope for...

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You can un-cross your fingers because they would be like that forever. The BDP-2011UDCI does not have DL4. You need to go up to the DBP-4010UDCI to get that.
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Do these players will have a video output option similar to pioneer's "direct source"?
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Do these players will have a video output option similar to pioneer's "direct source"?

The info I have doesn't say, but the current models do so I would think so. Film at 11:00 on that one.
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Yes the DBP-2011UDCI has the ABT-1030. The DBP-1611UD does not.

The $799 DBP-2011UDCI uses the ABT-2015 (pin for pin replacement of ABT2010) The $399 DBP-1611UD adds universal, HDMI 1.4, and 3D ready, but no ABT processing.

BTW no dual HDMI ports for legacy, so Denon expects everyone to give up their HDMI 1.3a based receivers? Of course a whole slew of xx11 models.

No WiFi, even though its rather easy to incorporate 802.11N by a little daughter card?

Fall update for 3D capability, wonder if they will charge for it?

Direct support for Netflix, YouTube, DLNA streaming, but lately that seems pretty limted IMHO.

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The $799 DBP-2011UDCI uses the ABT-2015 (pin for pin replacement of ABT2010) The $399 DBP-1611UD adds universal, HDMI 1.4, and 3D ready, but no ABT processing.

BTW no dual HDMI ports for legacy, so Denon expects everyone to give up their HDMI 1.3a based receivers? Of course a whole slew of xx11 models.

No WiFi, even though its rather easy to incorporate 802.11N by a little daughter card?

Fall update for 3D capability, wonder if they will charge for it?

Direct support for Netflix, YouTube, DLNA streaming, but lately that seems pretty limted IMHO.

The info I have from Denon has the ABT-1030 listed as the scaler for the DBP-2011UDCI. Where did you get the info on the ABT-2015?

I'm not convinced that 3D is going to big a huge deal for most people so I don't know if only 1 HDMI is a big deal. I could be wrong though. Is there anybody going doing a 3D BD player with 2 HDMI outputs? I haven't come across any info on one yet.

It would be nice to have wireless, but wired is always better if given the option.
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The info I have from Denon has the ABT-1030 listed as the scaler for the DBP-2011UDCI. Where did you get the info on the ABT-2015?

I'm not convinced that 3D is going to big a huge deal for most people so I don't know if only 1 HDMI is a big deal. I could be wrong though. Is there anybody going doing a 3D BD player with 2 HDMI outputs? I haven't come across any info on one yet.

It would be nice to have wireless, but wired is always better if given the option.

Panasonic has a 3D BD player with dual HDMI ports so you can run one HDMI cable from your player directly to TV bypassing the AVR for 3D playback, and a second port to connect out a second HDMI cable to your older AVR for audio.

None of us are convinced about viability of 3D blu-ray playback in home environments. Its one thing to watch it in theaters specially setup for 3D, its a whole another issue to consider it worthy of the additional expense and trouble over traditional Blu-ray playback. But this discussion really belongs in the 3D topic.

See http://www.electronichouse.com/slide...gory/8444/1191 for ABT-2015

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If the 2011 sells for around $600 street and has decent speed, it could be a really strong competitor to the Oppo BDP83. Netflix, 3D readiness, and Burr Brown DAC's are nice value adds.
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If the 2011 sells for around $600 street and has decent speed, it could be a really strong competitor to the Oppo BDP83. Netflix, 3D readiness, and Burr Brown DAC's are nice value adds.

Typically Denon BD products when brand new offer very little discounting, so expecting $600 is very wishful. Eventually it will get there after so many months.

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Even after a few months, 100 bucks discount (Maybe) has been there trend on units costing under a grand. You'll never see $600 on a $800 unit because that's pretty close to dealer cost and Denon has a tendency to pull licensing rights.
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I find it disappointing that for the many interlaced Blu-ray discs, the Denon DBP2011 has a video processor inferior to the Oppo BDP-83 but costs $300 more.

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I find it disappointing that for the many interlaced Blu-ray discs, the Denon DBP2011 has a video processor inferior to the Oppo BDP-83 but costs $300 more.

It doesn't, read further down the posts.
(ABT2015 not ABT1030)

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It doesn't, read further down the posts.
(ABT2015 not ABT1030)

There appears to be conflicting information. That being the case, does anyone have a link?

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There appears to be conflicting information. That being the case, does anyone have a link?

http://www.electronichouse.com/slide...gory/8444/1191

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The Denon DBP-4010UDCI only outputs 16-bit 44.1KHz PCM for SACDs doesn't it? Can the newer and cheaper models do better?

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It doesn't, read further down the posts.
(ABT2015 not ABT1030)

Some details on ABT 2015:
http://www.sequoia.co.uk/components/...=1258&fmt=grid

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Keeping my fingers crossed that the 2011UDCI has Denon Link 4th Edition. But that may be too much to hope for...

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Witch means...? No more ABT 1030?

Any info about it?

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Marco,

I know the BDP-2010CI used the ABT1030, which was an additional way for Denon to distinguish it from their DBP-4010UDCI.


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The Denon 1611 would make sense at $349 for consumers who are looking for more than a current bdp to match their AVR. With the absence of ABT, I would be inclined to get a Sony 470 or 570 (both +/- $200) and save my money towards a 3D display if that's really the future (I do not necessarily think it is).
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http://www.electronichouse.com/slide...gory/8444/1191

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Excellent, this is also what several sites are reporting now. If this remains the final spec when the player is released, I will likely pick up the DBP2011. Denon has a winner on their hands here if the final product matches the announced specs. High end video processor, 3-D, high quality build, great DACs - I've cancelled my panasonic BDT-350 preorder as a result. While the BDT-350 likely has excellent A/V quality based on initial reviews, if I can get the whole ball of wax I'll go for it

Too bad Denon can't release a matching pre/pro to compete with Integra in the same ballpark price range!

Seems to me Denon is bringing their pricing more in line with the value of the player, likely due to competition from Oppo & Pioneer.

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I would have liked Dual HDMI OUTS. Guess we shall see if this ends up having an impact on their sales... If I am going to do 3-D the Panasonic model is looking a lot better so far...

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I would have liked Dual HDMI OUTS. Guess we shall see if this ends up having an impact on their sales... If I am going to do 3-D the Panasonic model is looking a lot better so far...

What? You don't have one yet? JK. I absolutely love the Panasonic. Might consider the 2011 when projectors hit.

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Lets hope Denon is smart enough to include checkerboard 3D output for DLP HDTVs w/ their firmware...

BTW, is this using the same SoC as the new Sony players? Wondering as the timeframe for 3D firmware upgrade is very similar.

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The Denon DBP-2010CI was introduced last May with an MSRP of $699.00. The lowest price I see it for now (almost a year later) is $671.00 (OneCall has an open box for $536.00) from an “on-line” authorized dealer. So at this price I assume the only people who have bought that player are those loyal to the Denon brand, but I could be wrong. I’m putting this out there because the Denon DBP-2011UDCI has a suggested MSRP of $799.00. I know they’ve upgraded to the latest ABT chip, support for DVD-A & SACD, added streaming capability and are promising the implementation of 3D with a firmware update in the Fall, but will that be enough to get people to separate themselves from $799.00. Based on the pricing trend of the DBP-2010CI I don’t see to much deviation from MSRP. What about the speed of this new player? No mention of that! Does the player decode DSD and HDCD?

I’m also leery of the Fall update for 3D capability. I own a Pioneer BDP-51FD and I hope Denon’s Fall doesn’t become Spring 2011 for those who take the plunge. Just something to consider from any manufacturer offering an update in the future. If someone has their heart set on 3D I would lean towards a player that already has it implemented unless I have confidence in the manufacturer promising the update.

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The Denon DBP-2010CI was introduced last May with an MSRP of $699.00. The lowest price I see it for now (almost a year later) is $671.00 (OneCall has an open box for $536.00) from an on-line authorized dealer. So at this price I assume the only people who have bought that player are those loyal to the Denon brand, but I could be wrong. I'm putting this out there because the Denon DBP-2011UDCI has a suggested MSRP of $799.00. I know they've upgraded to the latest ABT chip, support for DVD-A & SACD, added streaming capability and are promising the implementation of 3D with a firmware update in the Fall, but will that be enough to get people to separate themselves from $799.00. Based on the pricing trend of the DBP-2010CI I don't see to much deviation from MSRP. What about the speed of this new player? No mention of that! Does the player decode DSD and HDCD?

I'm also leery of the Fall update for 3D capability. I own a Pioneer BDP-51FD and I hope Denon's Fall doesn't become Spring 2011 for those who take the plunge. Just something to consider from any manufacturer offering an update in the future. If someone has their heart set on 3D I would lean towards a player that already has it implemented unless I have confidence in the manufacturer promising the update.

I'm not in the market right now unless one of my current players go belly up.


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Totally agree. Denon seems to price high for a year and then slash the price to a third of msrp (ie 2500/3800). I suspect that the 2010 will be selling for $350 come this August (hard for it to command much more than $400). Just look at the Pioneer 23, Sony 1000ES and other higher end players' drop in prices over the past few months. 3D and streaming have had an incredible amount of pressure of prices of late. The average player from Sony or Panasonic has shifted from a $300 debut to under $200.

Denon should be realistic about sales and really take Oppo head on and sell the 2011 right at $500. The 1611 would be a very compelling option at $350.
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If Oppo does not lower their MSRP, I think Denon has priced this unit very well.

$800 is a lot, but with both 3-D and the ABT2015 (a notch ahead of Oppo's VP) its pretty tough not to see this player offers significantly more than the BDP-83. And, while the cheaper model does not have the ABT, it probably will have decent video processing, is $100 cheaper than the BDP-83, and once again also has 3-D.

Right now my sights are set on the DBP2011, but I need to know more before I throw down the 799.

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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

The Denon DBP-4010UDCI only outputs 16-bit 44.1KHz PCM for SACDs doesn't it? Can the newer and cheaper models do better?

According to Denon, the new ones will output full DSD over HDMI which, I assume, is what you are referring to. (The older ones would decode full-bandwidth for analog as well as output DSD over DL4.)

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