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i just got this player and sacd's pause and skip on mine ive tried 2 different ones so far.it goes thru my onkyo 1008/i have no issue with bluray.any ideals?
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I have had a 770 for a few months and have not had any problems with SACD (the unit is only used for SACD playback). It is set for DSD output to a Yamaha 861 for decoding via HDMI (and then by analogue connections on to various external preamps and power amps) and also set to default to multichannel. The only "noise" I hear is a light click at the end of the disc when the units stops playing. All Multichannel discs I have tried have been completely succesful not to mention fantastic sounding!

I have a Pioneer stereo SACD player and that unit often has light clicks between tracks (internal decoding and hooked up by analogue cables), otherwise, again spectacular sounding!

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I have had a 770 for a few months and have not had any problems with SACD (the unit is only used for SACD playback). It is set for DSD output to a Yamaha 861 for decoding via HDMI (and then by analogue connections on to various external preamps and power amps) and also set to default to multichannel. The only "noise" I hear is a light click at the end of the disc when the units stops playing. All Multichannel discs I have tried have been completely succesful not to mention fantastic sounding!

I have a Pioneer stereo SACD player and that unit often has light clicks between tracks (internal decoding and hooked up by analogue cables), otherwise, again spectacular sounding!

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No fan noise at all? My equipment rack is ab. 5 ft. away; PS3 is on an adjacent small end table in open air, and the fan is quite audible during quiet moments in movies (drove me a little nuts during Poltergeist and Alien tonight).
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My S-770 is on a shelf about 4 metres away and with all the amp humming (centre channel amp) and other incidental noises, I have not even noticed the fan noise. My S-760 (for video) is in a glass door TV stand that is within a couple metres but again I cannot hear that one either. A SONY DVD recorder I use for OTA (analogue, no digital here!) does have a bit of fan noise, but it is not distracting (in the same TV stand as the S-760).

A bit of an update regarding "clicks" between tracks.....when I listened to the Ray Charles / Count Basie Orchestra Telarc SACD over the weekend, I did indeed hear light clicks between the tracks. I had not noticed this on the other multichannel discs I have played, so I will see over the next little while if the clicks are present on all discs ( they are present on the Pioneer stereo player as I stated above)..

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So, how loud is the 770 fan? Louder then the S350?
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A bit of an update regarding "clicks" between tracks.....when I listened to the Ray Charles / Count Basie Orchestra Telarc SACD over the weekend, I did indeed hear light clicks between the tracks. I had not noticed this on the other multichannel discs I have played, so I will see over the next little while if the clicks are present on all discs ( they are present on the Pioneer stereo player as I stated above).

Do tell.

You may also find this thread interesting: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1225658
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Link to comparison test featuring the Sony..
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/con...lu-ray-players
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Is the 770 any faster then the 570, as far as disc loading or menu navigation? Or about the same?

I currently have both the 570 and 770 for review purpose. The bootup time on the 770 is 10 seconds, 570 is 14 seconds.

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I currently have both the 570 and 770 for review purpose. The bootup time on the 770 is 10 seconds, 570 is 14 seconds.

Excellent. How's the fan noise?
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My test area is well ventilated. When playing BD, I didn't hear any fan noise. Playing DVD I heard it once, very faintly, and then never heard it anymore.

I also set both machines in a bad wi-fi zone of my home. The 770 picked up my network a couple of seconds faster than the 770, and did the handshake faster too. Buffering eHow and YouTube is faster on the 770 too.

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My test area is well ventilated. When playing BD, I didn't hear any fan noise. Playing DVD I heard it once, very faintly, and then never heard it anymore.

I also set both machines in a bad wi-fi zone of my home. The 770 picked up my network a couple of seconds faster than the 770, and did the handshake faster too. Buffering eHow and YouTube is faster on the 770 too.
Good info, thanks. Anything else interesting?
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I currently have both the 570 and 770 for review purpose. The bootup time on the 770 is 10 seconds, 570 is 14 seconds.

Do you have quickstart enabled on both?
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Would like to hear comments of the following, from HDMI settings of Output Video Format heading on page 23 of of BDP-S770 User Manual:

"Normally select “Auto.”

Select “Original Resolution” to output the resolution recorded on the disc. When the resolution is lower than the SD resolution, it is scaled up to the SD resolution."

Will this be functional similar to Denon implementation of "Pure Direct" mode on latest BD players?
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I just bought the 770 last night because i was having issues with my two year old sony 550. So far I have updated the firmware. I havent noticed the audio lag yet but i wasnt really looking for it. I have herd the lag before but i always though my onkyo 705 reciever was decoding the sound. Ill have to do more investagating. My tv doesnt support 24p so maybe i should just turn it off.

I did time it though. With quick start enabled. From the time i hit the eject button, which turns on the unit and opens the door and i see the menu on the screen takes 3 seconds. My old Sony 550 takes 25 seconds to do that. I timed batman begins from closeing the door to the movie playing....it took 1:01....my sony s550 took 1:58...my old old sony S500 took 3:10 seconds to play batman lol....i will admit i got a firmware update for the s500 it shaved the 3:10 down to 2:20.

Back to the 770....yes its extremly fast. I was comparing highlander blu ray to highlander imortal ed dvd and the dvd looked like ass. I dont know if that is a so so play back on dvd so it just looked like crap lol. last time i watched that dvd it was on a 27 inch tube, not a pioneer plasma.
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Gor18, any Sony's QuickStart mode even from 3 generations ago is 3 seconds. All the circuitry except for the front panel display and drive are turned on all the time and consumes a lot of electricity to the point that the fan will turn on every now and then.

25 second you mentioned was regular start (from actual off). The 770's regular boot time(after the very initial start when you plugged in the unit for the very first time) is 10 seconds. Yet the quickstart is still at 3 seconds, which in my opinion, wasting the electricity and shortening the machine's life just to shave off 7 seconds moot.

Iain,
The "Original Resolution" is equivalent to "Pure Direct" in new Denon players and Pioneer players (inthe case of Pioneer, even the very first gen BD player have "Pure Direct" mode)

Another interesting thing is the capability to playback MP3 on BD-R. Imagine 50 GB of MP3 on a single disk? I don't use dual-layer BD-R, but I've tested it using a single-layer BD-R filled with MP3 and WAV.... it works!

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I maybe off on my 550 startup time. I had it on quickstart...but had recently reset it becuase i was having issues with my 550. So now i cant be sure if quickstart was on or not but i can say...im 99% sure it was never 3 seconds fast.
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Gor18, any Sony's QuickStart mode even from 3 generations ago is 3 seconds. All the circuitry except for the front panel display and drive are turned on all the time and consumes a lot of electricity to the point that the fan will turn on every now and then.

25 second you mentioned was regular start (from actual off). The 770's regular boot time(after the very initial start when you plugged in the unit for the very first time) is 10 seconds. Yet the quickstart is still at 3 seconds, which in my opinion, wasting the electricity and shortening the machine's life just to shave off 7 seconds moot.

Iain,
The "Original Resolution" is equivalent to "Pure Direct" in new Denon players and Pioneer players (inthe case of Pioneer, even the very first gen BD player have "Pure Direct" mode)

David, it's my understanding that the original resolution is not equal to source direct in that the player still deinterlaces the image. Denon and Pioneers can output the original interlaced 480 content from the dvd. The Sony outputs 480p.

And totally agree with you re quick start. Stupid to burn 15 to 20 watts in standby and keep your player aggressively warm all the time. My 1000ES was very hot on the bottom when in quickstart.
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Gor18, I still own an S350 and the quickstart is 3 seconds.

Winston9332, thanks for the info. I didn't realize that. I'll check it out again.

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David, and others. If I don't care about the Wi-fi because I'm going to connect with ethernet cable, wouldn't I be better off just getting the S470 and save myself $100? The performance seems to be on par with the S570 which everyone seem to say is close or same as the S770. I don't think I'm missing any other functionality like Hulu plus?

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for the price difference, I'd still get the 770 just because I like the look better, faster boot-up, better DVD upscaling PLUS a backlit remote control.

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for the price difference, I'd still get the 770 just because I like the look better, faster boot-up, better DVD upscaling PLUS a backlit remote control.

DVD upscaling is identical amongst 370, 470, 570 and 770 both in synthetic and real-world testing.

film cadence recognition deinterlacing tests for reference:

Test 2:2 2:2:2:4 2:3:2:3 (PF-T) 2:3:2:3 2:3:3:2 3:2:3:2:2 5:5 6:4 8:7:8:7 Time-adjusted
Sony 470 pass pass* pass pass* pass pass* pass* pass* pass* pass pass*
Sony BDp-S770 Pass Pass* Pass Pass* Pass* Pass* Pass* Pass* Pass* Pass*
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Just a quick question does this unit handle dvd-a over hdmi like it doew sacd thanks

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I actually just bought a PS3, for a bluray player, my kids wanted to play, and its good quality..
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no, it won't handle DVD-A. No Sony will ever handle DVD-A just like no Panasonic will ever handle SACD. SACD is Sony's baby and DVD-A is Panasonic's baby.

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"David, it's my understanding that the original resolution is not equal to source direct in that the player still deinterlaces the image. Denon and Pioneers can output the original interlaced 480 content from the dvd. The Sony outputs 480p."


Thanks Winston.

Main reason for purchasing S770 is for SACD and BD functions as I also have a Pioneer DV-610 that feeds 480i/576i to external VP (Denon 2310 AVR).

That said, of what use would "Pure Direct" functionality be to me then? Would it also be beneficial for BD?

Please bear with me on this as I'm a total newbie of Blue-Ray and I want to get it right the first time?
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If you want to get it right the first time and don't mind spending the money, then wait for the Oppo 93 to be released and reviewed.

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If you want to get it right the first time and don't mind spending the money, then wait for the Oppo 93 to be released and reviewed.
Repeating the question from Iain for anyone with a good answer:

"That said, of what use would "Pure Direct" functionality be to me then? Would it also be beneficial for BD?

Please bear with me on this as I'm a total newbie of Blue-Ray and I want to get it right the first time?"
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to answer the question head on:

the function is good if you have one of the three below:

1. an outboard upscaler
2. a receiver with better upscaler than the BD player (such as Pioneer LX series with Marvell Qdeo upscaler)
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3. a TV with better upscaler than the BD player (such as ye olde Pioneer 1st and 2nd gen Kuro plasma)

If you don't have any of the above, that function means nothing to you.

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Thanks,

Appreciate your answer!

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