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Pioneer just announced their first two Blu-ray players supporting 3D.

BDP-430 - November 2010

BDP-LX54 - December 2010


Release slated for Q4 2010. So we have a few months of speculation before hopes are definitely dashed and they turn out to be run-of-the-mill Pionarps.

Not much information has been released yet. Some of the information below might change. Both models seem to share the same main board. Output layout is different from previous 2010 models, so it might be more than a minor upgrade to the BDP-330/BDP-LX53 units.

Known details so far.
  • Made in China.
  • Single HDMI 1.4a
  • 3D support added.
  • iPhone control app.
  • No analogue audio out. (Apart from stereo)
  • Plays MKV, DivX etc. over LAN. Did the 330/LX53 do this? Haven't seen DLNA mentioned by name just that it plays files "stored on a PC or compatible networked media server."
  • WiFi needs an optional usb adapter. No mention of ethernet over HDMI.
  • Remote now has separate volume/input controls for both TV and receiver, which is a nice addition for people without Harmonies.
  • PQLS
  • YouTube / Netflix.

The European LX range is similar to the American Elite range, but has a different appearance.

BDP-LX54 adds the following to the entry-level BDP-430
  • Armoured Chassis
  • RS-232
  • Back-lit remote control
  • C17 power lead (instead of C7)
  • Hairline brushed metal finish. (instead of gloss black plastic)


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Hope is lost for an all-Pioneer blu ray player in 2010. Looks like yet another sharp.
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These look like another batch of Sharp rebadges! Looks like my HD1 will stil be getting the call in my theater until Pioneer gets their act together and builds a REAL Pioneer player. Hopefully those days are not totally gone and maybe CES in January will have a replacement for the 09 or at least a real Elite player!

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Well folks, Pioneer are selling more BD players this year, so the rebadging actually works for them. Don't expect to see any real Pioneer unit soon until the 09FD replacement arrives(or we won't see the replacement at all)

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Good ole Pioneer...Last place again!....
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Not interested until the 09 gets a replacement.
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Well folks, Pioneer are selling more BD players this year, so the rebadging actually works for them. Don't expect to see any real Pioneer unit soon until the 09FD replacement arrives(or we won't see the replacement at all)

Out of curiosity do you have statistics to back that claim up?
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I wouldn't be suprised if the 09FD is the last model and nothing else replaces it that is a true Elite product. CES might give us something but I am not holding my breath. I am just so glad that I still have my HD1 and I was also able to pick up a 50" Kuro 8 months ago. It was a shame when the plasma division dropped out and now it looks like their Blu-ray line is going nowhere!

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Out of curiosity do you have statistics to back that claim up?

http://www.acnnewswire.com/Article.A...D=4449&lang=EN

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Home Electronics sales rose 16.2% year on year to 35,057 million yen (US$398.4 million). This mainly reflected substantial growth in sales of Blu-ray Disc drive-related products as an optical disc joint venture commenced operations in the second half of fiscal 2010, in addition to favorable sales of AV receivers, primarily in North America.


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IMO, Pioneer has "never" built a "real" blu-ray player...(and probably never will). The average plastic, flimsy, blu-ray player out today blows away every model they've made, in speed, firmware upgrades, features, and general reliability... Wish it wasn't true, but it is.... What they "have" made are, overpriced tanks, that look good but don't work worth a crap...I have owned every single model that they have built, and will never buy another one. Felt like a fool when I bought the 09 and had to get rid of it cause cheaper units were crapping all over it... Don't want to hear about alledged better PQ...simply isn't true....every player I've owned had a great picture...(when they worked at all). Bottom line, a 200.00 LG will crap on any Pioneer built...especially the older ones...
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IMO, Pioneer has "never" built a "real" blu-ray player...(and probably never will). The average plastic, flimsy, blu-ray player out today blows away every model they've made, in speed, firmware upgrades, features, and general reliability... Wish it wasn't true, but it is.... What they "have" made are, overpriced tanks, that look good but don't work worth a crap...I have owned every single model that they have built, and will never buy another one. Felt like a fool when I bought the 09 and had to get rid of it cause cheaper units were crapping all over it... Don't want to hear about alledged better PQ...simply isn't true....every player I've owned had a great picture...(when they worked at all). Bottom line, a 200.00 LG will crap on any Pioneer built...especially the older ones...

Pioneer's DV-58AV is supposed to be their best multi-channel DVD-A/SACD player when using the 5.1-channel analog output. After critical comparisons, the BDP-320 is the best analog CD player I've ever owned! I even tried my DV-58AV's two-channel output in case they were spiced up in any way, and I just can't seem to be able to get my DV-58AV to sound better than my BDP-320. It's a shame the BDP-320 can't play SACD, even at 176.4 KHz PCM. You'd have a real winner if it could!
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This mainly reflected substantial growth in sales of Blu-ray Disc drive-related products as an optical disc joint venture commenced operations in the second half of fiscal 2010...

The wording sort of implies not only BDPs but PC BD/DVD combo drives and recorders and standalone BD recorders (in Japan). The "optical disc joint venture" refers to Sharp? But these units are only just appearing in NA.

Audiosceptics accept audio trials using 25 people. A recent Oxford study with over 353,000 patient records from 639 separate clinical trials shows for every 1,000 people taking diclofenac or ibuprofen there would be 3 additional heart attacks, 4 more cases of heart failure and 1 death every year.

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The wording sort of implies not only BDPs but PC BD/DVD combo drives and recorders and standalone BD recorders (in Japan).

Pioneer stopped selling DB recorders some time ago.

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The "optical disc joint venture" refers to Sharp? But these units are only just appearing in NA.

Which units do you mean? The Sharponeers? These are sold all over the world.

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Pioneer stopped selling DB recorders some time ago.

They were launched late 2008 but still possibly some sales figures got included in the fiscal year April 2009 - March 2010?

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Which units do you mean? The Sharponeers? These are sold all over the world.

The only Sharp-based players launched since the official joint venture with Sharp in October 2009 are the current 330/LX53 (launched late April 2010 in Japan, not sure about Europe) and 330/33FD in NA around May/June). I was initially somewhat surprised by this as the late launch date in NA (close to the end of June for the analysis) could make a difference in the sales figures. But the article goes on to say:

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By geographic region, sales in Japan increased 83.3% to 14,858 million (US$168.8 million), while overseas sales declined 8.4% to 20,199 million yen (US$229.5 million).

So it is only an increase in Japan.

Audiosceptics accept audio trials using 25 people. A recent Oxford study with over 353,000 patient records from 639 separate clinical trials shows for every 1,000 people taking diclofenac or ibuprofen there would be 3 additional heart attacks, 4 more cases of heart failure and 1 death every year.

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IMO, Pioneer has "never" built a "real" blu-ray player...(and probably never will). The average plastic, flimsy, blu-ray player out today blows away every model they've made, in speed, firmware upgrades, features, and general reliability... Wish it wasn't true, but it is.... What they "have" made are, overpriced tanks, that look good but don't work worth a crap...I have owned every single model that they have built, and will never buy another one. Felt like a fool when I bought the 09 and had to get rid of it cause cheaper units were crapping all over it... Don't want to hear about alledged better PQ...simply isn't true....every player I've owned had a great picture...(when they worked at all). Bottom line, a 200.00 LG will crap on any Pioneer built...especially the older ones...

I'm pretty much in agreement here. They drop out of the Plasma business, and then they outsource to Sharp and still have the slowest players around. It's really a sad time
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I'm pretty much in agreement here. They drop out of the Plasma business, and then they outsource to Sharp and still have the slowest players around. It's really a sad time

That is the thing I cannot fathom. They would have been better off partnering with funai or LG and putting a decent chipset in their player. or simply continue the 320 at a lower price point. The 320 at $199 would still sell and help them re-coup their R&D costs.
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Well, Pioneer still makes excellent DVD players for the European and Asian markets. I positively treasure my multi-regioned DV610s and DV420s Perhaps that where their niche truly lies. Its funny though that they make great DVD players but not so good with BD players.

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That is the thing I cannot fathom. They would have been better off partnering with funai or LG and putting a decent chipset in their player. or simply continue the 320 at a lower price point. The 320 at $199 would still sell and help them re-coup their R&D costs.

Sharp has owned a decent chunk of Pioneer for a good few years now, so it would be more surprising if it had been another company.

Nationalism plays a big part in this reagion as well and unless there's overwhelming advantages to going overseas Japanese companies will always cooperate with other Japanese companies, Korean with Korean, etc.
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Thank god I bought my 23FD when I did....
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so what exactly is bad about the "Sharp" nature of the Pioneer again? Is it the lack of manual controls/overrides?

My top feature would be speed.
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so what exactly is bad about the "Sharp" nature of the Pioneer again?

Good question for the purists on AVS

I think the lesson Pioneer took away from the Kuro episode was that -
1. Joe Sixpack will always go for cheap/convenient over quality
2. budget audiophiles who want both quality and value for money are not a large enough market
3. the buyers of high end AV electronics mostly do not consider the Pioneer badge to be sufficiently high end/exclusive

So Pioneer seeks to adjust to the real world by getting into bed with Sharp I think Pioneer lovers (your truly included) have to come to terms with the reality of the Sharpioneers

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Thank god I bought my 23FD when I did....

Yep....I bought one of the last couple of units that Vann's had at the beginning of the summer, enabling me to retire the 51FD.
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Yep....I bought one of the last couple of units that Vann's had at the beginning of the summer, enabling me to retire the 51FD.

Same here...I ordered mine in July from Vanns.....
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Good question for the purists on AVS

I think the lesson Pioneer took away from the Kuro episode was that -
1. Joe Sixpack will always go for cheap/convenient over quality
2. budget audiophiles who want both quality and value for money are not a large enough market
3. the buyers of high end AV electronics mostly do not consider the Pioneer badge to be sufficiently high end/exclusive

So Pioneer seeks to adjust to the real world by getting into bed with Sharp I think Pioneer lovers (your truly included) have to come to terms with the reality of the Sharpioneers


Only if they drop the price from the previous generation, and don't charge the same or more for less. Obviously in this case, they need to price their product to compete with the Samsungs of the world, because Panasonic sure as 'ell did not remove their picture controls.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/p...yers-at-cedia/

43-FD, 41-FD

These are the 330/31/33 players that adds 3D support. The thing that makes me laugh about this article is that it says that they will be available next spring! Are you kidding me?

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The BDP-09 is the 2nd and last Pioneer BD player I will ever buy. While it's built like a tank and has worked flawlessly, Pioneer dropped the ball years ago by not doing a universal player like Denon & Oppo have that FULLY used the SC-09TX's and successive models capabilities: no Ilink support on the player & no PQLS-HDMI support in their flagship receiver. PQLS support is limited to 2 ch and Pioneer has no current plans to update the receiver to support that. That has stuck in my throat since I bought the player and still does!

Frankly, I'm glad Joerod moved on to his position at AVS. IMO, he misled many people on this forum, including me, on buying into how great the 05/51 players were. I didn't learn my lesson from that experience & bought into his hype about the 09. Don't get me wrong, the 09 a great player but I have learned to take anything coming from Mr. Joerod with a grain of salt!

I'm done with Pioneer players. Oppo & Denon are running circles around them and my next player will be either the Oppo 83SE or the new 93. I'm planning on buying an Oppo before the end of the year & may even sell the 09, since the 93 will have Qdeo.

These new players have nothing special going for them. I saw them at CEDIA & while they are nice looking, they aren't true Elites, and there's no compelling reason to stay with Pioneer players anymore.

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Pioneer seems to be losing a lot of customers lately. Yes, I was sold on 05 fd but it works great so far and my only disappointment is speed. I have a feeling the newer players are going to be slow when compared to current players I'm taking a pass on Pioneer from now on seems most of their current line are going to be made in China
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Does anyone know the supposed difference between the 41FD and the 43FD?

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Does anyone know the supposed difference between the 41FD and the 43FD?

Most likely the same differences as the 31FD and 33FD have, not much! The only differences that I know between the 31 and 33 are is the fact that there is an "armored chasis" on the 33FD as well as a heavy duty AC cord, other than that they are identical. The 41 and 43 only really adds 3D support, same Sharp rebadged junk! I really truly hope that Pioneer has a 09FD replacement in the works for it to show up at CES in January. This replacement has to be a "True Elite" Pioneerf in house product, no Sharp junk mixed in. This is basically the last hope that I have as well as many other loyal Pioneer customers have left!

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