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post #961 of 1692 Old 11-19-2010, 07:08 AM
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Any word on what is the sacd decoding chip? Same as the 83?
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Yes.
Uh oh........

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Good question ! What about the "rice crispies", clicks & plops between tracks, wrong time indication... are these fixed on the 93 ?
If the 93 is using the same chip for SACD as the 83, then my guess is this issue has not been fixed since MTK has not fixed it in the 80/83.

In my previous e-mail inquiries to Oppo about this issue it was indicated that the fix would come from MTK.

Hopefully I'm wrong and the ticks, truncation, etc. issues have been fixed.

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Did anybody else notice they have stopped selling the 83s and 83SEs on the OPPO site? Guess I better use my pre-sale link fast!
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Did anybody else notice they have stopped selling the 83s and 83SEs on the OPPO site? Guess I better use my pre-sale link fast!
People noticed this when they stopped selling them 2 months ago!
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My strong suspicion is that they apparently don't need to offer any incentive. They will likely sell out all of the ones they have ear-marked for this early release program without it.
Oh, no doubt. I love my 83 and will eventually get a 93.
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Any word on what is the sacd decoding chip? Same as the 83?
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Good question ! What about the "rice crispies", clicks & plops between tracks, wrong time indication... are these fixed on the 93 ?
I'm not sure which chip you are referring to, so I'll offer two answers.

The SoC (system on chip) is different from the BDP-83 - it is a customized version of a newer Mediatek chip, which was needed to support 3D and some of the new network features. That chip handles all audio decoding, among other things. This is also the point at which the "rise crispies" issue came up for the BDP-83.

If I remember correctly, the DAC chip is the same as the BDP-83's 8-channel DAC chip. It supports DSD-to-analog if the player is configured to output DSD.

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I'm not sure which chip you are referring to, so I'll offer two answers.

The SoC (system on chip) is different from the BDP-83 - it is a customized version of a newer Mediatek chip, which was needed to support 3D and some of the new network features. That chip handles all audio decoding, among other things. This is also the point at which the "rise crispies" issue came up for the BDP-83.

If I remember correctly, the DAC chip is the same as the BDP-83's 8-channel DAC chip. It supports DSD-to-analog if the player is configured to output DSD.
So the chip responsible for decoding/handling SACD is not the same as used in the 83? If so, then there is hope the issues have been fixed.

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I need some confirmation as I just got my pre-lease confirmation...

Will the 93 play HD-Audio (TrueHD and DTS_MA) and high bit rate bluray mkv's streamed over DLNA?
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Any word on what is the sacd decoding chip? Same as the 83?
The MTK decoder chip is a new model, not the same as the BDP-83. It's also custom implemented for Oppo (as was the 83).

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Any of the Beta testers able to comment on the sound quality from the analog outputs?

My receiver doesn't decode TrueHD or DTS-HD.........
A number of beta group members have reported it sounds as good or better than the multi-channels outs from the BDP-83. It's the same DAC but the analog board is a different design.
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I received the preorder email, and placed my order.

I like that you get 30 days to return the player AFTER the player is released to the general public. Not that I plan on returning it, if it is as good as my 83. Now just have to figure out what to do with my Pioneer player.
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Got the email! Question though, is the normal price $599 and the pre-release price $499, or are both $499?
From what I've read the price should be staying at $499, aka, you're not getting a financial deal to beta test
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Any of the Beta testers able to comment on the sound quality from the analog outputs?

My receiver doesn't decode TrueHD or DTS-HD.........
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A number of beta group members have reported it sounds as good or better than the multi-channels outs from the BDP-83. It's the same DAC but the analog board is a different design.
After a short initial break-in time, you will not be disappointed.

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I never knew players needed a break in time for SQ.
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I had a settings checklist that I printed off of this forum and I referred to it whenever I upgraded the firmware. Will these settings from the 83 work for the 93?

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I had a settings checklist that I printed off of this forum and I referred to it whenever I upgraded the firmware. Will these settings from the 83 work for the 93?
For the most part, yes. There are some differences though. This will be apparent when you use the 93.
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Any chance of a screen shot and/or opinion on the functionality of the media browser using USB/eSATA drives and/or NAS for digital media?? (mainly music files in my case)

I am also assuming 5.1 audio from NetFlilx??

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Anyone with a Roku able to compare streaming PQ on the 93 vs the Roku?
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Any chance of a screen shot and/or opinion on the functionality of the media browser using USB/eSATA drives and/or NAS for digital media?? (mainly music files in my case)

I am also assuming 5.1 audio from NetFlilx??

It's the same as the -83 interface with some slightly different visual enhancements.

Why would you assume 5.1 audio from Netflix? That's only available on the PS3 AFAIK. And only on a few titles. Oppo has no control over this.
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Uh oh........

Hopefully I'm wrong and the ticks, truncation, etc. issues have been fixed.

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So the chip responsible for decoding/handling SACD is not the same as used in the 83? If so, then there is hope the issues have been fixed.

Fingers crossed.
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Good question ! What about the "rice crispies", clicks & plops between tracks, wrong time indication... are these fixed on the 93 ?

Ok, so a newer decoding chip. Any beta testers confirmed lack of rice crispies in the 93?
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Can someone compare the analogs of this new player to the 83se multichannel outs. Nice that the Xover is variable! TIA

Yes, but what ware you looking for... SQ comparison?
SQ is VERY good from the BDP-93 vis the analog output.


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Since the NDA has been listed I would like to pose this questions to the 93 Beta testers:

After using both the Oppo BDP-83 and BDP-93, which unit do you plan to use in your main system, and why?

Tom

This is simple to figure for your own needs.
Just look at the feature comparisons between the -83 and -93... mostly being user made media/codec support, streaming options, 3D and dual HDMI output.
If any of those features make a difference to you,maybe use them as a means to justify upgrading to a -93 if you already own an -83.
For those that love their BDP-83 and long for nothing more, no sense needlessly replacing a good thing.


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I know the past is not always indicative, but how long was it with the 83 from the pre-release to the regular public release sale?

Maybe 2-3 months I think if you are referring the "EAP" release for the BDP-83, to public sale release.
It's similar this time around, but still very different.
The player is quite solid already, but still needs some firmware tweaks here and there.
Don't think there will be many buyers who will be too disappointed with it's current firmware.


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Any of the Beta testers able to comment on the sound quality from the analog outputs?

My receiver doesn't decode TrueHD or DTS-HD.........

SQ for the analog output is VERY good to my ears personally.
Kind of anxious myself to see some user and/or professional reviews start rolling in that talk about the analog SQ.

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I am a long time Oppo Supporter. I was excited to see the email in my mail box this morning and I promptly placed my order for the BDP-93.

I currently don't own a 3D capable display but its an upgrade that will be on the Horizon in the near future. I am actually not that big into 3D and can almost care less but my next display I buy will be full featured and will likely support it and of coarse the BDP-93 will be a part of it.
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Ordered mine last night. Early Xmas present ! Any of you Beta testers have any recommended settings, as this is my first Oppo!
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Not having much luck with anyone having experience with DVR-MS files.
Would a beta tester mind PM'ing me if they could test a DVR-MS file

It would be sincerely appreciated.

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I'm using a somewhat antiquated PC (WinXP MCE) and use a HD HomeRun to record some HD QAM stuff. Any chance that I can utilize the 93 to play DVR-MS files off of an external HD connected to my PC?

Tired of encoding these files into mp4's that are totally out of sync when played through my Moxi, and playing them through the jet-engine loud XBox 360 is getting a little tiresome as well.

I REALLY wanted to jump in on the 83, but this player seems to fit all of my wants quite nicely with the exception of losing the stereo outs. Excited about getting into SACD/DVD-A as well.

Sorry for pattering on.
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pbarach -- The memory of where the BD disc was "stopped" is a common problem with all players, AFIK -- it depends on the BD disc (on the disc) support functions (see the discussion of this on the BDP-83 thread). However, I could be "all wet" too.

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Ordered mine last night. Early Xmas present ! Any of you Beta testers have any recommended settings, as this is my first Oppo!

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This is the planned approach until the official manual is released.

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Not to derail, but a source direct tech question, from someone using a calibrated processor:

I notice only a few mid and high end players seem to offer this, and I wonder how other players actually alter video signals coming out.

IIRC, BR is actually 4:2:0, so if I use 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 on the 85, I know it's using color interpolation before it gets to the processor. In source direct, say on the Oppo 93, does the player actually send 4:2:0 1080p/24 to the processor?

One would assume one conversion, as opposed to two, is for the best image quality, but Im a little foggy here.


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I wish to thank everyone on this board for convincing me to pull the trigger on purchasing my first Blu-ray player.

Looking forward to all the tips and tricks that this new system will do once all of us pre-release purchasers and the NDA fully removed.

I am very excited for this product to arrive!

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Just send Neuromancer a PM when you are ready, he will go though it with you step by step.
This is the planned approach until the official manual is released.

Great tip.
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Just talked to Oppo about my 93 order and they said that they were doing a firmware update this morning and shipping this AM.

I know, a bit off topic, but there has been a fair amount of talk on the following in this thread already. I asked about the 95 and was told that r would be available for release in late January at $975.00...

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Not to derail, but a source direct tech question, from someone using a calibrated processor:

I notice only a few mid and high end players seem to offer this, and I wonder how other players actually alter video signals coming out.

IIRC, BR is actually 4:2:0, so if I use 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 on the 85, I know it's using color interpolation before it gets to the processor. In source direct, say on the Oppo 93, does the player actually send 4:2:0 1080p/24 to the processor?

One would assume one conversion, as opposed to two, is for the best image quality, but Im a little foggy here.


TIA

I'm no expert on the matter, but from what I do know, what you are asking is not possible.
There are certain conversions that must be done for the signal to be transported from one device to the other.
So the best I think you will get, is sending 4:4:4 out to your processor.
I don't think it's possible for any player to output 4:2:0.

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I'm no expert on the matter, but from what I do know, what you are asking is not possible.
There are certain conversions that must be done for the signal to be transported from one device to the other.
So the best I think you will get, is sending 4:4:4 out to your processor.
I don't think it's possible for any player to output 4:2:0.

I think you are right, Source Direct is most likely ycbcr 4:2:2 (has to convert 4:2:0 to 4:2:2), which the Duo changes every input into anyways. The Duo is currently on auto, and it outputs ycbcr 4:4:4 to my tv.

I'll know when I hook it up, and the Duo reports the input, just kinda curious. I'll need to ask in the Duo thread if I should change the output from Auto (4:4:4 36bit) to 4:2:2 20 bit.
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