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I have no problem with folks reporting issues in this thread. I want to know (I think many of us do). That's what this thread is for....but I guess that's rude to some folks. Might not want to report good news here then either. Or is the argument that only positive experiences should be posted here? Oppo did not prohibit posting (positive or negative) comments on internet forums in their terms of sale.

Most definitely, Oppo should be in the loop as well. They can't possibly test all the permutations of equipment that comes with a broad customer base. IMO, that's why they're selling these before the official release.

How is this player working out for 3D? I've seen few reports on that aspect (which is why I'm looking to upgrade from my -83).

I agree. Mine should come today but I think it's helpful to post issues here so that other users can verify or be aware. I don't think people should report problems here without notifying OPPO but I don't see anything like a ND that says you can't talk about it on an internet forum. As long as the purpose is to inform the community, I don't see how that should be a problem.
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Seems like a few people are focused on the shortcomings of this yet to be finalized player. Since I am busy enjoying my 93 I will keep my post short, regarding pops etc with SACDs - zero - I did not post this sooner because many who said they never had this issue with the 83 were told they couldn't hear them. I can't hear them. I have been testing my player for two days and intended to keep going for the next few days. So far I am extremely pleased - I believe the 93 when it is done will end up being a significant upgrade from the 83. Besides the DSD issue the player is far less buggy than any new player I have bought (7 - Oppo, Sony, Panny, and LG). By the way I am bitstreaming out of HDMI 1 to a Pioneer SC-07 without issue ex the DSD which really doesn't matter given how Pioneer handles DSD. So far I really like the QDeo chip and what I can achieve with Netflix and DVDs with a few adjustments. Look forward to further refinement in this area by Oppo. Sorry - just had to put up a post that has one owner being very pleased so far.

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Been using the 93 for a few days now and I'm ready to send it back. I'm using LPCM and it a crap shoot trying to get my processor to lock up. Can't enjoy any movie. It takes a few power off of the 93 to get it to work. I just put my 83 back in until they can fix this problem. Wow is the 93 super buggy.
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Been using the 93 for a few days now and I'm ready to send it back. I'm using LPCM and it a crap shoot trying to get my processor to lock up. Can't enjoy any movie. It takes a few power off of the 93 to get it to work. I just put my 83 back in until they can fix this problem. Wow is the 93 super buggy.

Did you send all your setup info to Oppo??

Why send it back when it's not final, and not wait for the final SW release?
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I too would like to hear more comments from folks, positive or negative, about 3D from the 93.

What display are you using? Are you running the 3D video direct to the display or through an AVR, and if the later, what AVR are you using?

I get the impression that the Blu-Ray and HDMI specs for 3D may still be lacking in important areas (imagine that!) which means some decisions are being left to the content producers and chip/hardware engineers -- which means there's room for confusion and even incompatibility when different people invent different answers. But I don't know how much of a practical problem this is turning out to be.
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Are they PGS subtitles? So far, the BDP-93 does not appear to support them.

How can I tell? I encoded this with handbrake a long time ago and never pay close attention to the settings -- just use the presets.

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How is this player working out for 3D? I've seen few reports on that aspect (which is why I'm looking to upgrade from my -83).

I've run every 3D disc through it I can find, although I have to admit there are a couple 3D titles I just refuse to watch.

In the current FW revision I can find no real issues and the player seems to be working great. I'll add one caveat: there are some real issues in the BD-3D authoring specs (vagueness and lack of clear definitions) that in some cases seem to result in discs being authored poorly. In some cases they are just not good quality in the first place. It's always important to understand that all issues with 3D playback quality are not the player's fault.

That said, the combo of the Oppo and my Panasonic VT25 plasma have thus far been impressive. I recommend the several IMAX titles for wow-factor. And if you can lay your hands on a copy of "How To Train Your Dragon 3D", do so.
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Been using the 93 for a few days now and I'm ready to send it back. I'm using LPCM and it a crap shoot trying to get my processor to lock up. Can't enjoy any movie. It takes a few power off of the 93 to get it to work. I just put my 83 back in until they can fix this problem. Wow is the 93 super buggy.

Would you like some help?

Which output are you using from the 93 and what settings are you using? Are you using the HDMI cable that came with the 93 (not that you have to, just asking for information)? Is there anything significant you can think of that's different in the settings you are using in the 93 compared to your 83? Which processor are you using? Are you also running the video through that processor, or do you have video cabled direct to your display?

Do give Oppo tech support a call. It's possible, of course that your particular unit has a hardware problem.

In the meantime, here are some experiments to try to see if we can isolate what's going wrong:

1) Set output resolution to 1080i (not 1080p and not auto -- again this is just for experiment)
2) Set HDMI color space to YCbCr 4:4:4 (not auto) for both outputs
3) Set HDMI Deep Color to OFF for both outputs
4) Set 3D to OFF
5) Set 1080p/24 to OFF
6) Set Secondary Audio to OFF
7) Set HDMI Audio LPCM (not auto)
8) Set HDMI CEC to OFF
9) Set networking to ethernet and disconnect the ethernet cable if you have one attached.
10) Set Firmware Notification, BD-Live, and My Network all to OFF.

Now, after setting those, as a last step erase Persistent Storage and then power off the player.

Disconnect any devices plugged into either USB port or to the eSATA port. Then disconnect the power cord for about 10 seconds. While the player is powered off, check that you are using HDMI 1 from the player to your processor and that HDMI 2 is disconnected.

Now power up and see if HDMI LPCM audio from HDMI 1 is working reliably. If not, power down and try the same with just HDMI 2 connected.

If HDMI LPCM is working reliably with these settings, try changing back to your preferred settings, one change at a time to see how far you can get before the problem returns.
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Rd, Are you running through an AVR or straight to the tv? I also have a vt25 and am awaiting my 93.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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I've run every 3D disc through it I can find, although I have to admit there are a couple 3D titles I just refuse to watch.

In the current FW revision I can find no real issues and the player seems to be working great. I'll add one caveat: there are some real issues in the BD-3D authoring specs (vagueness and lack of clear definitions) that in some cases seem to result in discs being authored poorly. In some cases they are just not good quality in the first place. It's always important to understand that all issues with 3D playback quality are not the player's fault.

That said, the combo of the Oppo and my Panasonic VT25 plasma have thus far been impressive. I recommend the several IMAX titles for wow-factor. And if you can lay your hands on a copy of "How To Train Your Dragon 3D", do so.

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I'll be teaming the 93 up with a JVC RS-50 but I won't have the projector for a few more weeks. In the meantime my 93 will be delivered so I can at least try out BD and SD-DVD upscaling.

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Rd, Are you running through an AVR or straight to the tv? I also have a vt25 and am awaiting my 93.

HDMI-1 direct to plasma, HDMI-2 to AVR then to plasma.
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How can I tell? I encoded this with handbrake a long time ago and never pay close attention to the settings -- just use the presets.

Given the following source, it seems unlikely you created PGS subtitles.

I think support for PGS is in development for Handbrake: http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16659

http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/Sources

"Please note, PGS subtitles are not currently supported. "
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Are you aware that this won't work with the BDP-93?

Why? Because it has a stereo plug end?
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Why? Because it has a stereo plug end?

I believe the answer is that the IR input of the 83 also provides power on its 3rd connector, which that remote IR sensor uses. That's why it has a stereo (3 connections) plug.

The IR input of the 93 does not.
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On Robin Hood & The Black Knight I'm getting horizontal bars on either side of the picture. I've got the player set for 16:9 output. Oddly enough, the picture will display full screen for a while & then revert to the bars. The zoom feature doesn't work.

Here's my outdated & soon to be replaced equipment:

Yamaha RX-V800 receiver (Emotiva separates in a few weeks)
Panasonic TH-50PHD6 Plasma (60" Samsung or 58" Panasonic in a month or so)
Bose 5.1 speakers (don't hurt me on this... replacing with Maggies in several months)

The connections are all analog component, but the horizontal bars shouldn't be there.

Any suggestions before I report this to Oppo?
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Been using the 93 for a few days now and I'm ready to send it back. I'm using LPCM and it a crap shoot trying to get my processor to lock up. Can't enjoy any movie. It takes a few power off of the 93 to get it to work. I just put my 83 back in until they can fix this problem. Wow is the 93 super buggy.

mtdking,

What other bugs have you come across and what is your processor? Also, what other media or functionality have you tried?


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HDMI-1 direct to plasma, HDMI-2 to AVR then to plasma.

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Rd, Are you running through an AVR or straight to the tv? I also have a vt25 and am awaiting my 93.

Thanks

Perhaps I misremembered.

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On Robin Hood & The Black Knight I'm getting horizontal bars on either side of the picture. I've got the player set for 16:9 output. Oddly enough, the picture will display full screen for a while & then revert to the bars. The zoom feature doesn't work.

Here's my outdated & soon to be replaced equipment:

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Bose 5.1 speakers (don't hurt me on this... replacing with Maggies in several months)

The connections are all analog component, but the horizontal bars shouldn't be there.

Any suggestions before I report this to Oppo?

You are using component video, not HDMI?

Your Primary Output setting matches the physical connection?

Are you routing the video through the receiver? Does the behavior change if you connect directly to the display?

What does the display report for input resolution? If you cycle through the output resolutions on the player does the behavior change?

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I'm using a Lexicon MC-12B HD EQ processor and a Marantz VP-11S2 projector. I have only tried the 93 with netflix just to see how that worked and with BluRay's. I don't use it for anything else. The Problems is with BLuRay's. I can put one in and off it goes and it works fine. Put the next one in and my processor is doesn't see LPCM. Next time I put it in the voices are way off. I turn it off and back on again and it then works.

I'm using HDMI 1 only and have most things set to auto the same as my 83. My cable is a Cardas HDMI. I have the video set for source direct since the Marantz has an amazing video processor. Now if this happened every time then I would think I have something not set correct. But it doesn't happen every time. It took me 3 times in loading Iron Man 2 for my processor to see the LPCM.

I emailed Oppo but have not heard anything back.
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How can I tell? I encoded this with handbrake a long time ago and never pay close attention to the settings -- just use the presets.

There is a program on the internet (included in the K-lite Codec package) called "Media Info" that will tell you the parameters of a media file:

http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en
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I emailed Oppo but have not heard anything back.

It wouldn't surprise me if Oppo are on holiday today. But then again, they've been known to respond even when you'd least expect it.
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I'm using HDMI 1 only and have most things set to auto the same as my 83. My cable is a Cardas HDMI. I have the video set for source direct since the Marantz has an amazing video processor. Now if this happened every time then I would think I have something not set correct. But it doesn't happen every time. It took me 3 times in loading Iron Man 2 for my processor to see the LPCM.

If you get a chance, try the experiment I suggested. This sounds like an HDMI handshake issue (no surprise there) and the experiment I suggested is intended to simplify the handshake.

Also, if you are using Source Direct, HDMI 2 is a good option and may be a workaround while waiting for response from Oppo. The handshake from HDMI 2 is inherently different from the one on HDMI 1.

ETA: I should add that I use HDMI LPCM from HDMI 1 into my Anthem D2v and have not had problems like you report.
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Yeah, I had a whole e-mail stream back and forth with them last night. THANKSGIVING night.

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I've been reading every single post regarding the 93 in this thread as well as the pre-release thread (as well as the 93 thread on another popular forum) and I keep reading about issues with the HDMI 1 port, but I'm still not clear on what the issue is. Can you provide a summation on what might be going on with HDMI 1 and why everybody is recommending the usage of HDMI 2? What does this "issue" affect exactly? It sounds like this issue has been reported to Oppo and that they will likely address it with a firmware update. Thoughts?

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It's been stated several times that it's better, read the threads on this player, please. There is a ton of info already posted.

I've read every post on this player since day one and saw nothing about SACD playback until I asked the question for the third time. Between yesterday and today several people finally answered.

If I missed it I apologize but perhaps you could provide me with a link to one of them.

At any rate it's looking like they have resolved all the pops/clicks and freeze ups that were present from the previous player.
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It was discussed in the "prerelease" thread
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I've been reading every single post regarding the 93 in this thread as well as the pre-release thread (as well as the 93 thread on another popular forum) and I keep reading about issues with the HDMI 1 port, but I'm still not clear on what the issue is. Can you provide a summation on what might be going on with HDMI 1 and why everybody is recommending the usage of HDMI 2? What does this "issue" affect exactly? It sounds like this issue has been reported to Oppo and that they will likely address it with a firmware update. Thoughts?

Chet,
I'm restricted on what I can talk about (Beta tester).

HDMI 1 has a more complicated job to do than HDMI 2, and the signal path through the processing hardware is different. As such, it's not surprising to me that there are more handshake issues still to be resolved on HDMI 1. For many folks, there will be no significant problems at all -- that's why Oppo has made the player available at this stage. For others, HDMI handshake issues will be more likely when using HDMI 1.

That's why trying HDMI 2 as a short-term workaround is being suggested.

I'm sorry, but I can't give you details of the bugs I know are being worked on or which ones are likely to be fixed in the first public update to the firmware.

It is best to assume up front that any problem you encounter is brand new and that you are the first person to encounter it: I.e., you should definitely send your details to Oppo. Who knows? Your particular report may provide the key piece to the puzzle leading to a quick fix.
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I too would like to hear more comments from folks, positive or negative, about 3D from the 93.

What display are you using? Are you running the 3D video direct to the display or through an AVR, and if the later, what AVR are you using?

I get the impression that the Blu-Ray and HDMI specs for 3D may still be lacking in important areas (imagine that!) which means some decisions are being left to the content producers and chip/hardware engineers -- which means there's room for confusion and even incompatibility when different people invent different answers. But I don't know how much of a practical problem this is turning out to be.
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To answer your question Bob in more detail. 93 is connected via HDMI 1 to Pioneer Elite SC-07 - audio set to bitstream with secondary off - passing video via HDMI 1 as well through the receiver. Display is a Pioneer Kuro 5020. I have not had an issue with multi blu-ray, dvd, dvd-a and sacd. Interestingly the 93 found my DirectTV HDDVR and the programs had recorded, file format is unsupported, no surprise there. I also have a Western Digital 1TB hard disk (USB) hooked up to it, haven't played files yet (music and movies), but it seems to have found everything okay. Looking forward to see what I can achieve in the way of picture improvements. I have not timed it formally, but Bridge Over River the Kwai definitely loaded faster on the 93 than on my 83.

No 3D - not a believer yet and don't like the glasses.

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It was discussed in the "prerelease" thread

For folks new to this "owner's" thread, there was a previous, "prerelease" thread where the first flurry of information appeared on the 93. There was also the usual prerelease speculation and discussion of extraneous stuff like tracking info which cluttered it up pretty fast, so this new thread was opened to make a fresh start once public sales actually began.

Anyway, although there's a lot to wade through in that other thread, you may find questions already answered over there. Just another thing to keep you occupied while waiting for Fedex!
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Given the following source, it seems unlikely you created PGS subtitles.

I think support for PGS is in development for Handbrake: http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16659

http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/Sources

"Please note, PGS subtitles are not currently supported. "


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There is a program on the internet (included in the K-lite Codec package) called "Media Info" that will tell you the parameters of a media file:

http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en

Looks like this file has subtitles encoded as "UTF-8" according to this cool tool (thanks for pointing it out).

Works very well with the Oppo. One of the DLNA annoyances with the 83 were the largely unreadable subtitles on media files (though that seemed to get better with successive firmware updates).

The 93 is greatly improved in this regard, in my use so far, right out of the gate.

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