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post #26911 of 28040 Old 07-15-2014, 03:17 PM
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Can't understand why (for me) THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURE of the 103 continues to go unmentioned, until I mention it...

Two external HDMI inputs, for feeding your cable/satellite HDTV service through the 103. This provides all of the Oppo's video cleaning and processing and upconverting capabilities, applied to the "native" (i.e. untouched by the DVR/STB, but delivered exactly as-is in original 720p/1080i format) 720p/1080i output of your DVR/STB, and then upconverted to gorgeous clean beautiful 1080p for delivery to your HDTV.

Cable and satellite never looked so good, as when routed from DVR/STB through the 103 and then on to the AVR (or direct to the HDTV from HDMI-1 output, with audio to the AVR from HDMI-2 output).

This also allows for decoding the digital audio from HDTV to LPCM for feeding out via HDMI to an external sound system (e.g. headphone processor, like Smyth Realiser) that accepts discrete multi-channel digital audio via LPCM/HDMI input. There's no other way to get decoded discrete multi-channel digital audio via LPCM/HDMI (if you should need it) than this, as DVR/STB only deliver still-encoded digital audio via HDMI, requiring audio decoding ability in the receiving device (which the Smyth Realiser does not have). This allows all digital audio decoding (for all lossy and lossless formats, from HDTV as well as BluRay discs as well as streaming sources like Netflix) to take place in the Oppo, feeding the decoded discrete multi-channel LPCM output over HDMI to a target audio device that does not support its own decoding for these audio formats but does accept decoded LPCM over HDMI input.

The Oppo 103/105 players are the only ones that have external HDMI inputs.

Reason enough (for me) to upgrade my 93 for my primary viewing/listening location (where I have a Smyth Realiser and Panny 65VT50), which I did last year. HDTV picture never looked so good nor sounded so good through my headphones.

My 93 is re-purposed to secondary location in the house.

I just got a new receiver. the 626. it has the same chip as 103. it also can do the imputs as well. I just have a roku 3 and the oppo 93. still works fine for me.

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For those of you who might have a Sony 4K display like the XBR65-X900a, the recent FW update addressed an incompatibility issue between this display and the BDP-93. However, I continue to have an issue which causes continuous HDMI handshakes, with white-snow screens. The only way to stop the handshakes is by powering off the display, or the AVR, or sometimes both. A short video (1MB) demonstrates what I am experiencing: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...po%20Video.MOV.

Full disclosure: I also have a Darbee Vision Darblet in the signal path between the AVR and the display. The signal path from the Oppo is 1080P all the way to the Sony display, with the Oppo set to RGB Video, and deep color off.

Anyone else seeing this? I have reported to Oppo as well.
I will bet you a beer the flashing will go away if you take the Darblet out of the circuit..

I had the same problem with my Darblet upstream of my Sony VPL-VW600ES projector (but only when playing 3D). I exchanged emails with Tom at DarbeeVision. His reply was that they had seen this issue most often with HDMI cables which were too short. Ensure all your HDMI cables are between 6 and 20 feet long. Failing that, re-seat, reverse, replace HDMI cables. It worked for me.
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I just got a new receiver. the 626. it has the same chip as 103. it also can do the imputs as well. I just have a roku 3 and the oppo 93. still works fine for me.
Onkyo TX-626? You're right, looks like the QDEO chip is there, and video upconversion is also there. And of course there are external HDMI inputs into any AVR.

But the one thing more that the 103/105 does that I couldn't find in the 626 user manual is the ability to decode all digital audio formats to LPCM for sending out HDMI. Again, my Smyth Realiser requires upstream-decoding of multi-channel audio, as it has no decoding capability built into it. The expectation is that decoded-to-LPCM discrete multi-channel audio will be delivered to the Realiser via HDMI, bypassing all D-to-A and A-to-D requirements, and allowing the Realiser to simply accept already-decoded LPCM multi-channel digital audio via HDMI directly .

This ability to deliver digital audio decoded-to-LPCM discrete multi-channel out over HDMI is something I think is unique to the Oppo units.

Am I wrong? Can this Onkyo AVR do it as well?
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Onkyo TX-626? You're right, looks like the QDEO chip is there, and video upconversion is also there. And of course there are external HDMI inputs into any AVR.

But the one thing more that the 103/105 does that I couldn't find in the 626 user manual is the ability to decode all digital audio formats to LPCM for sending out HDMI. Again, my Smyth Realiser requires upstream-decoding of multi-channel audio, as it has no decoding capability built into it. The expectation is that decoded-to-LPCM discrete multi-channel audio will be delivered to the Realiser via HDMI, bypassing all D-to-A and A-to-D requirements, and allowing the Realiser to simply accept already-decoded LPCM multi-channel digital audio via HDMI directly .

This ability to deliver digital audio decoded-to-LPCM discrete multi-channel out over HDMI is something I think is unique to the Oppo units.

Am I wrong? Can this Onkyo AVR do it as well?
I have no idea. I use HDMI cables for everything. I bitstream from my receiver.

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^ Most AVRs produce LPCM intended to go to the built in speakers of a TV. I.e, the HDMI LPCM *OUTPUT* of AVRs is typically a stereo down-mix.
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For those of you who might have a Sony 4K display like the XBR65-X900a, the recent FW update addressed an incompatibility issue between this display and the BDP-93.
Thanks to all who have provided suggestions. I have applied my best trouble-shooting process of elimination, and here is what I have found.

I have two HDMI connections between my AVR and display. One signal path has a Darblet, and the other one doesn't. I specifically set it up this way in order to test out 4K up-conversion in the AVR, since the Darble doesn't pass 4K. I also replaced the HDMI cable between the Oppo and the AVR. Several months ago, I did a complete upgrade on all HDMI cables in my rack, installing new Redmere cables from Monoprice (because they are so slim). The cable from the Oppo to the AVR is 3ft, in case someone believes cable length is an issue.

Routing the signal bypassing the Darblet results in a stable image. Routing the signal through the Darblet produces the image breakup and HDMI handshakes. I am getting no signal breakup issues using the Darblet with other signal sources (DirecTV DVR's, AppleTV).

So, clearly the Darblet is playing a role. However, this issue has only recently started happening. I have been using the Darblet with the Oppo successfully for several years with no signal issues. Something has changed recently that is causing the problem, and I have run out of trouble-shooting ideas. Suggestions?
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^ There are lots of things that combine to establish the format passed on the HDMI cable. When comparing to prior experience you need to be sure they all match. That includes resolution (1080p), frame rate (/60 or /24), video format (YCbCr 4:4:4), audio format (LPCM vs. Bitstream), and HDMI CEC.

In terms of the devices that work compared to the OPPO not working, one common factor is that those devices are not likely to be sending /24 video. In addition, it is *MUCH* more likely that those devices are not sending "copy protected" content over HDMI. The HDCP protocol (copy protection) is finicky by design. It LIKES to fail.

Diagnosing HDMI issues is always an exercise in frustration. You just need to set your mind to the idea that there IS a logical explanation, and start working through the possibilities. Sometimes new cables can even be the cause of problems if the mechanical fit is not right or there are bent pins.
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Something has changed recently that is causing the problem, and I have run out of trouble-shooting ideas. Suggestions?
HDMI cables do go bad after a long dependable period of service. They really do. Its always the first thing to rule out - by replacing them one at a time.
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HDMI cables do go bad after a long dependable period of service. They really do. Its always the first thing to rule out - by replacing them one at a time.
I have never had an HDMI cable go bad. I have had to disconnect, clean connectors,, then reconnect to restore performance, but then I had to do that with standard RCA audio cables too. Even speaker cables can build up corrosion when just sitting there and need to be broken and remade periodically. The sole times I have had cables go bad was after they had been mishandled by excessive bending or being pulled out by the cable rather than the connector.


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Hi,Im hunting for a used Oppo 93 with ISO playback & Cionavia free ,can someone tell me the last Firmware version that has those i just mentioned? thanks.

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Try looking in the classifieds. Someone had a 93 for sale the other day.


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Hi,Im hunting for a used Oppo 93 with ISO playback & Cionavia free ,can someone tell me the last Firmware version that has those i just mentioned? thanks.
See the FAQ: Are .iso files or Blu-ray or DVD directory structures supported on external media?

"ISO file support appeared in firmware 50-0608 and was removed in firmware 64-0119."

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^ And NO firmware for the 93/95 players includes Cinavia detection.
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^ While we are on the subject of "BDP-93 special features"...
I know that the player can be made region free for DVD playback by using the infamous "Superdisc".
Is there anyway to accomplish the same thing without burning a disc?
Can a file be put on something like a flash drive to accomplish the same thing, or does it have to be the optical disc method?
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See the FAQ: Are .iso files or Blu-ray or DVD directory structures supported on external media?

"ISO file support appeared in firmware 50-0608 and was removed in firmware 64-0119."

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Thanks for the info.Noted

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Is there anyway to accomplish the same thing without burning a disc?
If u were only asking about that particular method, it has already been answered, but you can also order a mod chip and install it externally to get RF functionality for DVDs as well as Blu-Rays.

Here is the link for the item itself and the manual is also linked further down on the same page.

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I've been using a portable HDD via USB which has worked great, but just upgraded to a 5TB hard drive (Seagate SEEDT5TBV), but my BDP-93 does not recognize it at all. The hard drive activates because of the USB connection (the drive itself is externally powered), but the BDP-93 does nothing. My computer and TV recognize it fine. It's USB 2.0/3.0. I don't know if it's a USB 3.0 issue, but it is supposed to work with 2.0 ports. Has anyone experienced USB or hard drive incompatibility?

I sent off a note to OPPO technical support as well.
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I've been using a portable HDD via USB which has worked great, but just upgraded to a 5TB hard drive (Seagate SEEDT5TBV), but my BDP-93 does not recognize it at all. The hard drive activates because of the USB connection (the drive itself is externally powered), but the BDP-93 does nothing. My computer and TV recognize it fine. It's USB 2.0/3.0. I don't know if it's a USB 3.0 issue, but it is supposed to work with 2.0 ports. Has anyone experienced USB or hard drive incompatibility?

I sent off a note to OPPO technical support as well.
The 93 does not support GPT partitioning, so nothing larger than 2TB with MBR partitioning can be used.
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Thanks for the info. So if I create a 2TB partition, would that work?

Does the 103 have the same limitation?
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Thanks for the info. So if I create a 2TB partition, would that work?
The partitioning scheme would have to be MBR.

Note that if you put that device on the network, say attached to a PC, the OPPO can access the files on it via DLNA. The filesystem and sizes are invisible to the player.

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A 2TB partition (using MBR) will work if the partition is formatted in a supported file system. See the FAQ -- link at the top of the first post of this thread.

The 10x players also support GPT partitioning (called GUID in the Mac world), and thus can handle larger partitions. The partitions still have to be formatted in a supported file system
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If u were only asking about that particular method, it has already been answered, but you can also order a mod chip and install it externally to get RF functionality for DVDs as well as Blu-Rays.

Here is the link for the item itself and the manual is also linked further down on the same page.

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Yep, I know about all that. Was just inquiring about the free Superdisc method. Thanks though.
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Hi,Im hunting for a used Oppo 93 with ISO playback & Cionavia free ,can someone tell me the last Firmware version that has those i just mentioned? thanks.
The last valid ISO firmware was December, 2011. I'm currently running the one before that which was September, 2011.
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Posting this in this forum, since the Dune HD Base 3.0 forum hasn't had activity in a loooong time.

I have both BDP-93s and a Dune HD Base 3.0. For standard Blu-ray ISO playback, is there any reason to think that the Dune's picture quality is less than that of the BDP-93? The reason I ask is because I'm moving all my BD ISOs to a NAS, and only the Dune can play them off the network.

I love my BDP-93, don't get me wrong, and I use it often...it's just the convenience of the network playback of the Dune is hard to ignore.


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I have both BDP-93s and a Dune HD Base 3.0. For standard Blu-ray ISO playback, is there any reason to think that the Dune's picture quality is less than that of the BDP-93?
When you are talking about simply decoding digital data and outputting it, I doubt there will be a lot of difference on the size TVs most people use. Where the difference comes in is probably in upscaling, since the Oppo employs a special chip for that purpose and is where I believe most media players get let down.

Does the Dune handle 3D or proper Bluray menus? That might be the main area of contention, plus any concerns related to Cinavia.
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Unfortunately the Netflix app won't be updated for the 93/95. The Oppo circuitry is missing some security feature(s) that Netflix insists on for the newer, better apps. Netflix will not provide a better app for the 93/95 models and Netflix determines what products get what apps. Oppo has said there is nothing than can do about this because it would involve hardware changes. The 103/105 have the features and thus support the better Netflix app.
Really late to the game on this topic but I've been meaning to ask about this. Streaming Netflix through our BDP-93 is so bad (choppy video with lots of pixelation, extremely slow loading and menu navigation, etc.) that I canceled our service and have just gone back to renting DVDs instead. I've never understood why so many people rave about streaming when the only experience we've had is that it's super slow and the picture quality is 10 times worse than DVD. The caveat to all this is that our Internet connection is relatively slow (averages 2.7 Mbps) so could that be a factor? It definitely isn't due to using the wireless receiver as I tried connecting the LAN output to our router via Ethernet and still experienced the same issues (slow loading and menu navigation, poor video quality). Is the BDP-93 Netflix app universally acknowledged as out-of-date and incapable of delivering decent-quality streams? It just seems ridiculous that we'd have to buy a Roku or other device to stream Netflix because they won't provide an updated app to Oppo.
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Really late to the game on this topic but I've been meaning to ask about this. Streaming Netflix through our BDP-93 is so bad (choppy video with lots of pixelation, extremely slow loading and menu navigation, etc.) that I canceled our service and have just gone back to renting DVDs instead. I've never understood why so many people rave about streaming when the only experience we've had is that it's super slow and the picture quality is 10 times worse than DVD. The caveat to all this is that our Internet connection is relatively slow (averages 2.7 Mbps) so could that be a factor? It definitely isn't due to using the wireless receiver as I tried connecting the LAN output to our router via Ethernet and still experienced the same issues (slow loading and menu navigation, poor video quality). Is the BDP-93 Netflix app universally acknowledged as out-of-date and incapable of delivering decent-quality streams? It just seems ridiculous that we'd have to buy a Roku or other device to stream Netflix because they won't provide an updated app to Oppo.
There won't be an update to the Netflix app in the -93. It is long past the privilege of Oppo investing any more time and money in a product
that does not bring them profits. You can't expect a product to get lifetime updates. That is not realistic.

As for what is the current Netflix app in the player, the -93 has always only given a maximum resolution of 720p for Netflix.
Using a more modern streaming device like the Roku, which would give you a better 1080p native picture, would be better.
For the best streams though, even at 720p, it should still look pretty good and not as bad as you describe.
I'm pretty sure your problems are A) your low network speed, and B) your ISP throttling the Netflix stream during peak hours.
With the latter most likely being the worse of the two.
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I agree with Smarty-pants. While Netflix streaming isn't blu-ray quality, it shouldn't be nearly as bad as you describe. Your slow internet speed and/or ISP throttling is likely to blame. I had dropped Netflix streaming for a time, but I started my subscription again recently to catch up on some TV series and House of Cards. I have a Roku, PS3, and the 93 that I can use to stream to my biggest screen in the theater room, and I prefer the Roku, but the PQ of the 93 is not that far off. Granted, the Netflix app in the 93 is a little slower than the Roku and PS3, but not by a large margin. House of Cards, for example, was very acceptable streaming with the 93 and as good or better than much of the HDTV that I get from Comcast. Then again, I have 100 Mbps internet service with regular speeds that top 75 Mbps even during peak times.

Until you get higher internet speeds you probably won't be able to have decent streaming without a ton of compression artifacts even with a Roku or some other streaming device with the latest Netflix app. When I try to stream to my pad in a distant room from the router where the internet speed is slow, the PQ drops considerably, and I would cancel the subscription if that is all I could get.

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Posting this in this forum, since the Dune HD Base 3.0 forum hasn't had activity in a loooong time.

I have both BDP-93s and a Dune HD Base 3.0. For standard Blu-ray ISO playback, is there any reason to think that the Dune's picture quality is less than that of the BDP-93? The reason I ask is because I'm moving all my BD ISOs to a NAS, and only the Dune can play them off the network.

I love my BDP-93, don't get me wrong, and I use it often...it's just the convenience of the network playback of the Dune is hard to ignore.
I have both the Dune Base HD 3.0 & Oppo 93 and I use the Dune most of the time for the convenience but the times I have played the same ISO through the Oppo the Picture on my Calibrated Samsung TV seems a tad cleaner and sharper than the Dune. No effect on audio as I have set both of them bitstream to the Integra. Please note this is purely subjective.
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