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I respectfully suggest that if you are running your player via HDMI for Video/Audio for blu-ray playback, there is little to no advantage to spending the considerable extra $$ for an Oppo when compared to a decent quality mainstream player.
I'll take my Sony BDP-S1000ES over the Oppo 93 based on my needs in my home theater system for 1/5 the price any day. And my Sony plays any and all seamless branching/dolby truehd titles bitstreamed to my Yamaha RX-V3900 just fine.
I'm sure that the Sony player you mention is fine until one wants to listen to a SACD or DVD-Audio disc, at which point you're out of luck. Point being that people have different requirements in what they want/need in a player and the extra cost of the Oppo is obviously worth it to many people. YMMV.
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Since you've got decent gear, might be interested in the MiniDSP DDRC-88A until the dust settles on object audio.

Are you connecting the analogue outs of the Oppo BDP-93 into the Arcam AV8?
I'm going to a dealer's open day next weekend to see/hear the DDRC88A, so that's likely my next purchase to put on the output terminals of the AV8. I don't see me buying an Atmos/DTS:X processor until at least next year as I'm remodeling my room then, so I won't be able to fit height speakers until then anyway.

I did connect the analogue outputs of the '93 to the AV8 but there is too much delay in the video chain (Lumagen 2041 and JVC X500) so the sound is out of sync. So now I'm just using the coax output of the '93 into the AV8 which then allows me to use the audio delay function in the AV8. I still think this sounds better than the 818 did using HD sound decoding, so it's no hardship to wait a while longer.

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I'm sure that the Sony player you mention is fine until one wants to listen to a SACD or DVD-Audio disc, at which point you're out of luck. Point being that people have different requirements in what they want/need in a player and the extra cost of the Oppo is obviously worth it to many people. YMMV.
I agree with you 100%, which is why I qualified the post you responded to with "if you are running your player via HDMI for Video/Audio for blu-ray playback".

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After perusing the forum on the BDP-93, i now see that from my iMac/macbook pro world, I will need to format the hard drive of no greater than 2TB to Fat32 and simply load my mkv files created by Bytecopy software and all will be well. What I don't see is if it is possible in this set up to daisy chain 2 or 3 of the 2TB drives with success. Also, is there anything else required for the OPPO BDP 93 to access the files?
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After perusing the forum on the BDP-93, i now see that from my iMac/macbook pro world, I will need to format the hard drive of no greater than 2TB to Fat32 and simply load my mkv files created by Bytecopy software and all will be well. What I don't see is if it is possible in this set up to daisy chain 2 or 3 of the 2TB drives with success. Also, is there anything else required for the OPPO BDP 93 to access the files?
Yes, the Oppo can see up to 8 drives simultaneously.

I have 8 x 2TB hard drives hooked up to my Oppo at any one time.

4 drives in a Mediasonic Probox and another 4 drives in a docking station (makes it easier to swap drives as I currently have 11 x 2TB drives with just movies).


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P.S. using a Windows setup, my drives are all formatted in NTFS
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Thanks for the help, djbluemax1. Wow, 22TB ! Doubt I will get there, but those Blu-Rays do eat up the space.
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I don't think Dolby invented seamless branching. And its introduction goes back to DVD . . . . long before these Oppo models. I assume Oppo simply underestimated the processing demands of seamless branching coupled with Dolby TrueHD & chose an inadequate processor in the afflicted models. But most players of the same/similar vintage handle seamless branching coupled with Dolby TrueHD or Atmos just fine.
I suppose there are consumers cruising EBay and CraigsList who aren't aware of the issues with seamless branching and Dolby TrueHD/Atmos with these Oppo players.
Really?
Yes of course "seamless branching" was on DVD, but I think it would be obvious that the methods used with
Dolby THD are many times more more complicated and require much more processing power than similar methods used on DVDs.
So, those methods were not introduced until after Blu-ray came to market.
I think you already know that, but are just trying to split hairs in order to keep trolling the thread
about a player that has been discontinued for years.
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Really?
Yes of course "seamless branching" was on DVD, but I think it would be obvious that the methods used with
Dolby THD are many times more more complicated and require much more processing power than similar methods used on DVDs.
So, those methods were not introduced until after Blu-ray came to market.
I think you already know that, but are just trying to split hairs in order to keep trolling the thread
about a player that has been discontinued for years.
No matter how bitter you are over the issue, it's not going to change, so maybe it's time to move on to a different cause.
I have no "bitterness" over this particular problem with the 83/93/95 Oppo models. I simply don't agree it is a widespread problem with other players. I think Oppo has been reasonably up front about the issue once their customers started complaining, and has admitted to the problem and their inability to correct it beyond offering a workaround. I was also disagreeing with your comment making it seem like Dolby was somehow involved in the design and introduction of seamless branching on blu-ray after the Oppo 83/93/95 models came into being, which is not the case.
Dolby didn't introduce seamless branching & it existed prior to these Oppo models, even prior to blu-ray. Dolby TrueHD has been around since prior to these Oppo models.
Players from other CE manufacturers of the same vintage seem to work fine (I think I read one report of someone with a Sony BDP-S570 getting audio pauses on a Lionsgate title using seamless branching - makes one wonder if that player used the same processor as the Oppo's).

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Dolby didn't introduce seamless branching & it existed prior to these Oppo models, even prior to blu-ray. Dolby TrueHD has been around since prior to these Oppo models.
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True as far as it goes. But we're not talking about seamless branching as a whole. The issue is with complex seamless branching which is part of a BD copy protection scheme. (used in combination with playlist obfuscation of varying types) This is a relatively new trick, created after this particular player was designed. Even newer players needed firmware tweaks to handle the buffering required. If you map the branching points in a movie you'll see that the 93 handles some of them and not others. Its also true that the same branching scheme works just fine with DTS audio. Pretty much all the the older MTK based players have the same issue, not just Oppo's, and some other decoders do too.
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I also believe this may have something to do with the up conversion chips in these players. I have the OPPO BDP 83 with the Anchor Bay chip and the LG BH200 with the Marvell QDEO chip. Both players have the drop out issues with some seamless branching movies like Total Recall. My Pioneer DBP 320 does not have a special up conversion chip and plays these troublesome titles with out a glitch.
The LG BH200 audio drop outs are far more severe than the OPPO BDP 83 is. Of course switching both players to LPCM over HDMI resolves the issue. As for this problem with Dolby Atmos I personally don't care about it as I am not going to upgrade my receiver to these formats anyway as I am satisfied with my current 7.1 system. So the BDP 83 will suit my needs just fine.

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I also believe this may have something to do with the up conversion chips in these players. I have the OPPO BDP 83 with the Anchor Bay chip and the LG BH200 with the Marvell QDEO chip. Both players have the drop out issues with some seamless branching movies like Total Recall. My Pioneer DBP 320 does not have a special up conversion chip and plays these troublesome titles with out a glitch.
The video processor chip is completely unrelated to the issue.
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The video processor chip is completely unrelated to the issue.

I think it does. Everybody keeps saying it has something to do with just the MediaTek chipset but the LG BH200 uses a Broadcom chipset, BCM7440.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/fea...hp?source=home
So this is not related to one chip manufacturer.
As I stated the two players that have an up conversion chipset have the audio drop out issue but the Pioneer 320 does not have a special up conversion chipset and it has no issues with the audio dropouts.

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I think it does. Everybody keeps saying it has something to do with just the MediaTek chipset but the LG BH200 uses a Broadcom chipset, BCM7440.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/fea...hp?source=home
So this is not related to one chip manufacturer.
As I stated the two players that have an up conversion chipset have the audio drop out issue but the Pioneer 320 does not have a special up conversion chipset and it has no issues with the audio dropouts.
If it had something to do with the video processor chip, it would still be a problem when the player is set to output LPCM instead of bitstream. Keep in mind that "everybody" includes Oppo who knows a bit about the design of the player. Also keep in mind that the problem exists on both HDMI outputs on the Oppo, only 1 of which passes through the QDEO chip.
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If it had something to do with the video processor chip, it would still be a problem when the player is set to output LPCM instead of bitstream. Keep in mind that "everybody" includes Oppo who knows a bit about the design of the player. Also keep in mind that the problem exists on both HDMI outputs on the Oppo, only 1 of which passes through the QDEO chip.

I am not saying that the chip itself causes the problem as I know its purpose is to improve the video of regular DVDs. What I am noting, of the three players I have, the two with specialized video chips exhibit the audio drop out problem and the player that has no specialized video chip does not.
I do not think this is a problem related to the age of the chips, or the manufacturer of the chips, either as my BH200 is my oldest player, November 2007, my 320 is my second oldest player fall of 2008, and the 83 is the newest player June of 2009.
There is older players that have no issue with this and then there is newer players that have this problem like the OPPO 93, which by the way also has a specialized video chip.
Another thing about the players that have this issue is they were not cheap to buy. The BH200 was $1000, the OPPO 83 was $500, and the OPPO 93 was $500. The 320 which does not have the issue was $399.


I could understand why some people are upset as they may not have the resources to keep buying players every year or so. I also understand that a player like the BH200 will never be updated as most of these units are probably now out of circulation. I myself would like to buy a new OPPO 103D but I just don't have the spare cash around to do it. I do not even have the spare cash to buy a run of the mill BD player right now. So every once and a while I will run into this issue and have to use LCPM over HDMI. And like I said before I have no intentions of upgrading my AVR for Dolby Atmos so the work around solution is fine. Although it would be cool if OPPO did fix this issue.

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