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When using the DVD 24p conversion, will the display info always read NTSC or will it read 24fps?
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Hi guys,
My BDP-95 arrived this saturday and I noted that it is get hot too much? It is normal? I put it in a cabinet sealed like you can see in this photo, it’s the hot problem?

I have mine in a cabinet with a slightly larger opening but with a door (which I keep slightly open during play). My cabinet also happens to have a slit opening in the back about 2 inches wide and 7 inches tall for cable access. Though I have never found the 95 very hot even after 4 hours of straight use, I think it's probably a good idea to allow the unit's fan to have the ability to draw in cooler air from the back through such an opening. If it doesn't, wait until the wife is gone and perform quick surgery on your furniture. smile.gif

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When using the DVD 24p conversion, will the display info always read NTSC or will it read 24fps?

The On Screen Display of the player shows what's on the disc, so that will be unchanged with DVD 24p on or off.

The info on your display shows what the player is sending and that should read 24hz.

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I have mine in a cabinet with a slightly larger opening but with a door (which I keep slightly open during play). My cabinet also happens to have a slit opening in the back about 2 inches wide and 7 inches tall for cable access. Though I have never found the 95 very hot even after 4 hours of straight use, I think it's probably a good idea to allow the unit's fan to have the ability to draw in cooler air from the back through such an opening. If it doesn't, wait until the wife is gone and perform quick surgery on your furniture. smile.gif
The fan is actually an exhaust fan, but the air it sends out needs to be able to go somewhere.
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Has any compared the 95 using AV709 to a known reference signal generator and can comment of whether or not the Oppo is outputting true reference? Specifically in the area of luminance.

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Has any compared the 95 using AV709 to a known reference signal generator and can comment of whether or not the Oppo is outputting true reference? Specifically in the area of luminance.

I recall Spears & Munsil (or probably just one them) stating that the OPPO does put out reference levels. This has been true of all of their players. I don't have a link.

OPPO assisted in the creation of the S&M calibration disc, a sign they take this sort of thing seriously. It gets tested pretty extensively.

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Has any compared the 95 using AV709 to a known reference signal generator and can comment of whether or not the Oppo is outputting true reference? Specifically in the area of luminance.

The remarks from S.Spears I was thinking of were from the BDP-83 days, but the current players will be the same in this regard:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1131344/high-definition-benchmark-bd-edition-by-stacey-spears-and-don-munsil/570#post_18182916
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Best quality is obtained by adjusting the picture controls on the display.

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Has any compared the 95 using AV709 to a known reference signal generator and can comment of whether or not the Oppo is outputting true reference? Specifically in the area of luminance.

Better yet, I've seen the result of HDMI digital data captures. The OPPO puts out reference HDMI signals when it's Picture Adjustment settings are left on their Factory Default (0) values. Its Luma output correctly matches Content Luma for the full range of Content Luma.

The numerical values found in the gray scale bars on Spears & Munsil Blu-ray are a reliable Content Source for doing fine checks of Luma -- down to individual Luma step values. For example see the Dynamic Range High and Dynamic Range Low charts.
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Thanks everyone.

Would it be fair to say that I should be using the S&M disc rather than the AVSHD709????? What about window size to prevent measurement problems on the 65VT50. Apparantly, window size is an issue with this display.

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Thanks everyone.

Would it be fair to say that I should be using the S&M disc rather than the AVSHD709????? What about window size to prevent measurement problems on the 65VT50. Apparantly, window size is an issue with this display.

I use both for adjustment by eye. If you are using a meter you need the AVS disc; S&M doesn't have the patterns.

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If it doesn't, wait until the wife is gone and perform quick surgery on your furniture. smile.gif

That is what I did. Now I have a few of these CAB-COOL Cabinet Coolers on both sides of my center. The thermostat ensures that it only runs when needed and is very quiet.

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I have mine in a cabinet with a slightly larger opening but with a door (which I keep slightly open during play). My cabinet also happens to have a slit opening in the back about 2 inches wide and 7 inches tall for cable access. Though I have never found the 95 very hot even after 4 hours of straight use, I think it's probably a good idea to allow the unit's fan to have the ability to draw in cooler air from the back through such an opening. If it doesn't, wait until the wife is gone and perform quick surgery on your furniture. smile.gif

Thanks for your answer, the hot problem was when I touched the metal in the bottom of the oppo, it no burn my finger but I feel that is more than warmer, when you said is not very hot after 4 hours it is a little more that warmer? by the way, from the back wall to the back of the bdp95 are maybe 4 o 5 inch with a small hole(3" diameter) for cable entry.

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Thanks for your answer, the hot problem was when I touched the metal in the bottom of the oppo, it no burn my finger but I feel that is more than warmer, when you said is not very hot after 4 hours it is a little more that warmer? by the way, from the back wall to the back of the bdp95 are maybe 4 o 5 inch with a small hole(3" diameter) for cable entry.

The bottom plate of the player is designed to be a major component of it's cooling. IOW it's supposed to get warm. This is the reason that removing the player's feet is not recommended. Of course, any heat coming from below will add to that.
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The bottom plate of the player is designed to be a major component of it's cooling. IOW it's supposed to get warm. This is the reason that removing the player's feet is not recommended. Of course, any heat coming from below will add to that.
thanks for the clarification, I'm thinking the same thing but I don't want missing any problem or issue with temperature for this special racks.

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thanks for the clarification, I'm thinking the same thing but I don't want missing any problem or issue with temperature for this special racks.

If you're really concerned there are a few things you can do. 1st, make a 3" hole in the back of a cabinet directly next to the player's fan opening. 2nd, after 2 hrs of BD playback, listen closely for the player's fan noise. If the fan is running fast, it's probably too hot. 3rd, get a thermal sensor to measure the temp of the player's exhaust air. It think the target internal temp for the player is around 125' F.
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OPPO has given me permission to add some additional background info to the FAQ entry Is DVD 24hz conversion supported?:

How is it done?

The OPPO developer who implemented this feature provided these comments:

As noted, there is no on-the-fly switching from 1080p60 output to the 1080p24 output when 3:2 cadence is detected. Once DVD 24P Conversion is set to ON, the player will output 1080p24 for any 480i content source. If the source does not have the proper 3:2 cadence, the output will have apparent motion judder caused by incorrect frame dropping.

The BDP-83's DVD 24p implementation was to monitor the de-interlacer to detect reliable 3:2 cadence. Once it is detected, the video processor is then switched to 1080p24 output. This causes a new HDMI handshake in the middle of playback. If later on the de-interlacer loses lock to the 3:2 cadence, frame tearing can happen.

For the BDP-93's Marvell Qdeo KG2 processor, we can program it to any output frame rate. During the initial development we tried 1080p24 output for DVD, and the result was not good. The video processor drops frames based on the required output frame rate. We randomly got smooth video at one time, and very jerky motion at another try. Any trick play operation such as pausing or fast forwarding could turn a good case into bad. Marvell told us that the KG2's frame rate converter could not be controlled by the de-interlacer to drop only the duplicated frames. This is why DVD 24P Conversion was not offered for the BDP-93/95.

Fast forward two years and I learned a way to isolate the input and output video clock. The de-interlacer can then be configured to do 3:2 -> 1:1 cadence conversion, and write the results to a frame buffer chain. The output side, no longer constrained by the input video clock, can read from the frame buffer chain and output at 23.976 frames/second. Although the KG2's documentation and reference code do not show such a use case, we were able to apply it successfully to the KG2 processor used in the BDP-93/95.

The 3:2 -> 1:1 cadence conversion works well in our test if the input is really 3:2. It can recover from a bad cadence nicely, unlike the BDP-83. If the input is not 3:2, but 2:2 or video, the result will be incorrect but there will no tearing. Users can expect to see motion judder if the input cadence is not suitable for 24p conversion. We make the conversion option available during playback so users can switch it off if it does not work well for the content being played.

The developer said this work was nothing to brag about, but I say: I'm not worthy.

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If you're really concerned there are a few things you can do. 1st, make a 3" hole in the back of a cabinet directly next to the player's fan opening. 2nd, after 2 hrs of BD playback, listen closely for the player's fan noise. If the fan is running fast, it's probably too hot. 3rd, get a thermal sensor to measure the temp of the player's exhaust air. It think the target internal temp for the player is around 125' F.

thanks I will try to use your advice and let you know how is it.

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Using a BDP-95 with a Panasonic 65VT50, is it better to output 422, 444 or RGB?

I just had my 65VT30 THX calibrated. I told the calibrator I might get the Oppo 95 to go with it. (I currently have a Sony BDP-S5000ES) The calibrator said if I did get the Oppo 95, I should use 4:2:2.

Opps, just saw it said 65VT50 and not 65VT30. Please ignore.

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Hi I have had my 95 for a few weeks now and ya its awesome. I debated between the 95 and 93 and just thought might as well get the best. I do a fair bit of 2 channel flac listening so the 95 won out. I have a Yamaha RX-V1900 receiver, an Emotiva IPS-1 amplifier. and Energy Veritas V1.8 speakers. To be honest the 95 with only hdmi connections sound great. If you really want to extract everything the dedicated analogs are even better.
I have a WD 1tb elements hardrive that I hooked up via usb to try out, ya works great powers the drive on and off too. I wanted to use the ESATA on the 95 so I picked up a WD 1tb My Book AV. The My Book AV is kinda pricey considering I could have got a WD 2tb My Book essential for the same price. The My Book AV is supposed to be built for home theater demands and it does have esata and usb 2.0 interface. The My Book AV works great via the esata but the 95 wont power it off. The only gripe I would have with the 95 is that the search is very slow as I have about 600gb of flacs. Maybe this could be fixed with another firmware update.
I had the 95 hooked up with fairly inexpensive rcas. I decided to try some xlr to rca cables. Ya I know all that I read said they are not the best. I tried it anyways and I swear the 95 sounds even better. Heres a link to the cables, they are pretty nice. They have other reasonably priced cables too.

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Oh ya about the only other negative is that I too experienced the netflix freeze issue but sounds like they have a fix in the works. Another thing that I am happy to report is that mine doesnt have a noisy fan problem. I have checked and the fan was on but I couldnt hear it.

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The Netflix issues have been resolved with the latest Beta Firmware
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So has anyone tried out the public beta software?

If so, what have you found?

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It works very well. If you find that it wasn't, then you can easily return the player to the current 66-0413 Firmware.
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Thanks for your answer, the hot problem was when I touched the metal in the bottom of the oppo, it no burn my finger but I feel that is more than warmer, when you said is not very hot after 4 hours it is a little more that warmer? by the way, from the back wall to the back of the bdp95 are maybe 4 o 5 inch with a small hole(3" diameter) for cable entry.

From the photo you provided it looks like your BDP-95 sitting above a PrePro or AVR. Is that correct?

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So has anyone tried out the public beta software?
If so, what have you found?

I had severe problems with Netflix freezing up, but I installed the latest firmware and watched several movies in the last few days without a single problem.

Good show Oppo!
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From the photo you provided it looks like your BDP-95 sitting above a PrePro or AVR. Is that correct?

Yes it do just on top of my denon 3310 but the denon only feed my center and surrounds.

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Does the denon run hot? If so.....well....you know what we're about to recommend. smile.gif

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Yes it do just on top of my denon 3310 but the denon only feed my center and surrounds.

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Does the denon run hot? If so.....well....you know what we're about to recommend. smile.gif

Jim,

That's where I was going.smile.gif Also, his rack looks very compact with limited space around his components unless it is just the photo he provided.

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That's where I was going.smile.gif Also, his rack looks very compact with limited space around his components unless it is just the photo he provided.

the denon have 3" between the wall of the rack, after 4 hour of use yes it is a little warmer and truly help with the heat problem. I have between back wall of the rack a fake cabinet to hide cables that is why the cabinet is sealed but I'm thinking seriously in a kind of surgey it if that could be a real problem.

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My HT: B&W 804D fronts, HTM4D center, 805D rears, Classe CA-2300 Main amp, Preamp Stereo CLASSE CP800, Preamp Multi Channel Denon AVR 3310(center amp), Rotel RB1582 Surround Amp, Source Oppo BDP-95 screen Samsung 55" UE55d8000 SVS SB12-NSD
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the denon have 3" between the wall of the rack, after 4 hour of use yes it is a little warmer and truly help with the heat problem. I have between back wall of the rack a fake cabinet to hide cables that is why the cabinet is sealed but I'm thinking seriously in a kind of surgey it if that could be a real problem.

Based on what you've posted, there doesn't appear to be any big concern about heat. Use it and enjoy. But monitoring temps with a thermal sensor is easy and inexpensive.
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