Originally Posted by Splicer010
I'd like to step in here and play devils advocate for a minute if that's cool?
First off, I thought Cinavia was another movie app.
But obviously it isn't so I wonder what the big deal is? I'm sure Sony is more the studios (and Sony since they are a studio also) way of doing things not to alienate you and me, the minority, but rather the majority that are out to circumvent the system and not pay for the films.
That being said, my niece said she has been prompted 3X in a week to update the player and she said always yes.
Is this Cinavia so detrimental that I need to tell my sister to exchange the player for one un-updated? Can the player (BX58) be rolled back? What is the LAST SAFE (NON-Cinavia) FW #??? And what is the FW # that introduces Cinavia? This way I can have my sister look and let me know.
This isn't necessarily about not paying for films (although I have no doubt that is the concern on some folks parts, and one would assume that is why Sony etc. are paying out money to verance for this copy prevention pollution in our players and titles). This is about corrupting pristine high definition audio tracks in order to hide something which can trigger program execution in a player when detected. That is the technology. Supposedly we cannot hear it - but a speaker reproduces it, and a microphone can detect and hear it. If the audio is played back on a device looking for the signal or whatever it is in the audio, it can then compare that to the source material being used. If you are playing it back via a device it doesn't like, it can shut it down. Ask a few PS3 owners how they liked it when after permitting their PS3 to update its firmware one day, suddenly their system being used as a media server started shutting down the audio on cinavia infected titles about 20 minutes into playback. Were some of those titles ripped from borrowed or rented media? Maybe. But how about the folks who purchased their blu-rays legitimately and just like the convenience of having them stored on their media server for selection and playback? Not any more. Where will this cinavia firmware pollution show up next? Receivers? TVs?
I think this is much more about flexibility and fair use rights for legitimate customers. I think I have the right to convert my legitimately purchased titles to a different device for transportability and playback without having to worry about what some programmer at Sony or verance has decided I can or cannot do.
So - I plan to avoid spending my hard earned dollars on any equipment, software or entertainment media infected with cinavia. I want the bean counters to suddenly realize someday that they are just throwing their money away when they send it to verance because all they are accomplishing is limiting the product value to their very best customers - folks like me. My purchases of Sony products has dropped like a rock since they started their infatuation with cinavia. Sony titles are pretty much 100$ rentals now for me. I direct my purchasing dollars elsewhere.
I have told family and friends to stop permitting automatic firmware updates from occurring until they actually have a problem - and even then, they should do their homework before trusting their BD player manufacturer firmware updates from now on.
As far as the Sony devices that have cinavia corrupted firmware (according to "Cinavia-Wikipedia"):
Sony PlayStation 3 (with firmware update version 3.10+)
Sony BDP-S185 / BDP-S186 (with firmware update version M09.R.0033+)
Sony BDP-S390 (with firmware update version M11.R.0147+)
Sony BDP-S480 / BDP-S485 / BDP-S580 / BDP-S780 (with firmware update version M07.R.0615+)
I have not heard of any way to remove the cinavia infection once it is in your player. Your best bet is to avoid being infected in the first place.