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I just had a look at the components of the BDP-140 .......

how's the boot-up time, how about the load time?

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Do you remember seeing anything like the MediaTek MT1389, MT8520, MT8530, or MT8555? That would be the system-on-chip solution.

Heatsinked IC, no component part list. Sorry, no idea.
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I have the BDP-140 and the BDP-440 (52FD), they both use the MT8555 chip, revision A, same amount of RAM, same clock speed.

Both (all three) are very fast in bootup, menues, and playback startup. A few updates to the firmware, and we have a pefect lineup of players from Pioneer. From the tests I have done so far with the BDP-440, it looks promising I have the Oppo 93 and 95 for comparison.
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I have the Oppo 93 and 95 for comparison.

Lets the comparison begin!
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I have the BDP-140 and the BDP-440 (52FD), they both use the MT8555 chip, revision A, same amount of RAM, same clock speed.

Both (all three) are very fast in bootup, menues, and playback startup. A few updates to the firmware, and we have a pefect lineup of players from Pioneer. From the tests I have done so far with the BDP-440, it looks promising I have the Oppo 93 and 95 for comparison.

These players must be real speed demons! MediaTek's MT-1389EXE was the last chip in Pioneer's universal SD players. A few have argued that its upscaling was better than the Anchor Bay in the Oppo DV-983H. So who knows if the new MT8555 is almost as good as the Marvell! I wouldn't be surprised if MediaTek scores once again for best all-in-one SoC solution! BTW, the BDP-52FD I purchased from Pioneer USA via phone is supposed to arive tomorrow. Even with the flaws I'm anticipating, I'm still excited about the player!
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lets the comparison begin!:d

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Can we clear up the the whole USB playback thing?

Which flash formats will be supported: FAT 16/32 only, NTFS or even exFAT?
If only FAT 16/32, the players are definitely a no go (up to 3 GB limited, every better BDRip needs more)

For instance, Panny TX55VT30 supports exFAT USB flash playback, which is the best at the moment
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

Also, why the posted manuals don´t show a close-up of the players´ displays?
I´d like to see the fonts´ appearance...

Though the players should be out here in EU sooner, no manuals on Pioneer.eu whatsoever...
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I have the BDP-140 and the BDP-440 (52FD), they both use the MT8555 chip, revision A, same amount of RAM, same clock speed.

Both (all three) are very fast in bootup, menues, and playback startup. A few updates to the firmware, and we have a pefect lineup of players from Pioneer. From the tests I have done so far with the BDP-440, it looks promising I have the Oppo 93 and 95 for comparison.

Awesome

So can you use an external hdd on the rear USB port formatted with NTFS and play

FLAC
1080p mkv the 3 common encodings
DVD and blu-ray iso image
And if that works sacd iso image

Avchd 60 30 24 in other words support new avchd 2.0 video cameras

I'm not holding my breath for a 'few' software updates
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You can still buy this unit. It is an ASUS WL-330 and can be found for less than the $80 that Oppo sold it for.

But that's justa router. Tell ya what: Let me see what happens with the D-link two DAP-1522 combo units. If they don't work out, I'll talk about it in this thread.
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But that's justa router. Tell ya what: Let me see what happens with the D-link two DAP-1522 combo units. If they don't work out, I'll talk about it in this thread.

You really need to develop better search skills...

No it's the whole kit, and as I said the same as sold by Oppo for less money.

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-WL-330gE_...7313363&sr=1-4
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Awesome

So can you use an external hdd on the rear USB port formatted with NTFS and play

FLAC
1080p mkv the 3 common encodings
DVD and blu-ray iso image
And if that works sacd iso image

Avchd 60 30 24 in other words support new avchd 2.0 video cameras

I'm not holding my breath for a 'few' software updates

Have not tested that much yet:
FAT32 partition:
All DVD /blu-ray iso works fine.
SACD iso, fine.
AVCHD 24 worked, but for some unknown reason 60p did not work, have not tested why. (audio worked for the 60p file.
FLAC, not sure what is wrong, but it does not list .flac files. I can see from some debug information, that it looks like the .flacs should be listed, but it does not. Using another extension, and it plays FLAC (have tested 192kHz).
All mkv files have worked so far.

In general, I can see from the code, that some file search / indexing features are not fully done. There are actually some debug code line comments with text like "needs to be added" and "must have" and so on
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You really need to develop better search skills...

No it's the whole kit, and as I said the same as sold by Oppo for less money.

This should be included and not an option. When the Oppo was released in March 2009 other manufacturer's who offered wifi, but did not have it built-in were also offering wifi hardware for a cost. This should not be the case in September 2011.

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Anyone know when these will be hitting the shelves?
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anybody tried .m2ts yet? The initial product sheet stated that all three models will support it...I`d like to play some downloadable HD trailers with original HD audio but these are always available only as .m2ts bluray file container...
maybe Chris could confirm...
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Have not tested that much yet:
FAT32 partition:
All DVD /blu-ray iso works fine.
SACD iso, fine.
AVCHD 24 worked, but for some unknown reason 60p did not work, have not tested why. (audio worked for the 60p file.
FLAC, not sure what is wrong, but it does not list .flac files. I can see from some debug information, that it looks like the .flacs should be listed, but it does not. Using another extension, and it plays FLAC (have tested 192kHz).
All mkv files have worked so far.

In general, I can see from the code, that some file search / indexing features are not fully done. There are actually some debug code line comments with text like "needs to be added" and "must have" and so on

that is some interesting information, thank you very much for taking the time to post that

Did everything you test apply to both the 140 and 440? That would make the 140 a pretty impressive player for its price

maybe I am a little confused but isn't an blu-ray ISO one very large 50 gig or so file and thus won't play under FAT32?

what extension did you give to the FLAC files so you could play them? Something like MP3?

i'm wondering to myself if that trick will work with the SC-55

if you are seeing the code and debugging information that is a lot more than most of us will ever see

and with comments like those in the code, I can see why you say after a couple of firmware upgrades, this could give the opp 93 a run for its money

thanks again
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These players must be real speed demons! MediaTek's MT-1389EXE was the last chip in Pioneer's universal SD players. A few have argued that its upscaling was better than the Anchor Bay in the Oppo DV-983H. So who knows if the new MT8555 is almost as good as the Marvell! I wouldn't be surprised if MediaTek scores once again for best all-in-one SoC solution! BTW, the BDP-52FD I purchased from Pioneer USA via phone is supposed to arive tomorrow. Even with the flaws I'm anticipating, I'm still excited about the player!

Let us know how the 52FD is once you get it hooked up! I am anxious to hear how these players perform.

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Cbroegger, have you tried DVD-IFOs from an external source, like a NAS?
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You really need to develop better search skills...

No it's the whole kit, and as I said the same as sold by Oppo for less money.

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-WL-330gE_...7313363&sr=1-4

After searching for WL-330, I noticed that it was listed several times and thought it was listed multiple times because different third-party sellers had the device posted. Now I see that there are several versions of the WL-330. Thanks for pointing me to the two-unit set. I just canceled the D-links and ordered the ASUS system you pointed me to. You saved me, and possibly gave many people here the ultimate solution!
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Just got my 52. Review coming at the usual place
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Just got my 52. Review coming at the usual place

Just kidding! You've been a great help to me since I started getting into Blu-ray. Am I right that setting the HDMI audio output to PCM will only output it as 2-channel stereo? If so, I'll just have to bitstream movies and when I want to play SACDs at 176.4-KHz, 24-bit PCM with PQLS, I'll just have to live with stereo unless multi-channel decoding is added via firmware upgrade.
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Thank you sir. Looking forward to your review on this player. Also where did you get it from.

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After searching for WL-330, I noticed that it was listed several times and thought it was listed multiple times because different third-party sellers had the device posted. Now I see that there are several versions of the WL-330. Thanks for pointing me to the two-unit set. I just canceled the D-links and ordered the ASUS system you pointed me to. You saved me, and possibly gave many people here the ultimate solution!

Your welcome. Just FYI, ASUS makes a wireless N version of the WL-330 too.
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posting review as a i write it at usual place. i cannot hyperlink it due to avs rules.
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that is some interesting information, thank you very much for taking the time to post that

Did everything you test apply to both the 140 and 440? That would make the 140 a pretty impressive player for its price

maybe I am a little confused but isn't an blu-ray ISO one very large 50 gig or so file and thus won't play under FAT32?

what extension did you give to the FLAC files so you could play them? Something like MP3?

i'm wondering to myself if that trick will work with the SC-55

if you are seeing the code and debugging information that is a lot more than most of us will ever see

and with comments like those in the code, I can see why you say after a couple of firmware upgrades, this could give the opp 93 a run for its money

thanks again

The bluray ISO I tested with was with a modified (shortened) chapter, but same identical structure as the full ISO.

And yes, renaming .flac to .mp3 does the trick. I belive this minor issue is related to FAT32 file listing.

The above tests was done with both the 140 and 440.

BDP-140 and 440 are almost identical, and it also opens up for mods adding the PQLS and IP control to the BDP-140. I have done that already, so it is possible.
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... BDP-140 and 440 are almost identical, and it also opens up for mods adding the PQLS and IP control to the BDP-140. I have done that already, so it is possible.

I am interested in adding DVD-Audio playback to the BDP-140. Is it possible too?
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The bluray ISO I tested with was with a modified (shortened) chapter, but same identical structure as the full ISO.

And yes, renaming .flac to .mp3 does the trick. I belive this minor issue is related to FAT32 file listing.

The above tests was done with both the 140 and 440.

BDP-140 and 440 are almost identical, and it also opens up for mods adding the PQLS and IP control to the BDP-140. I have done that already, so it is possible.

You mean that the size less than 4GB, right? and your USB is FAT32?
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I am interested in adding DVD-Audio playback to the BDP-140. Is it possible too?

It might be, will check.
Can also add that the ip control / ip streaming is apparently default enabled and a part of the 140 firmware.
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You mean that the size less than 4GB, right? and your USB is FAT32?

Yes.
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Your welcome. Just FYI, ASUS makes a wireless N version of the WL-330 too.

N is higher bandwidth and higher data rate, right? However, isn't the 330N just a router? I chose faster shipping for the 330gE_M. So if you think I could do better, try to let me know so I could cancel it. No big deal though.
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