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In europe the 140/440 can play flac, the tip is to change the extension .flac to .mp3 and the Flac can be played, the only issue is you loose the tag...

yes, so it appears, if you call that support

the press release from Europe seemed to indicate it was only the 440 and lx55 that would support FLAC

and yet the press release from Japan and singapore specifically say only the LX55 supports FLAC

and the US says nothing

and of course the manuals say nothing

wouldn't surprise me if FLAC support in the 140/440 disappears in future firmware versions
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But we're dealing with the same hardware, even though it was designed for different regions. Also, someone recently posted that the European BDP-440 doesn't have the 176.4 KHz capability. The BDP-52FD is the same hardware, just with the North American Elite cosmetics and amber display. I'd love to know where the writer of that international press release got his or her info.

and yet i bet they have different firmware, I bet you don't have netflix streaming support in europe

as I said, at this point i would assume nothing about the capability of a pioneer product

and the recent October press release from Japan and Singapore continue to mention 176.4 KHz capability

do we know if 176.4 KHz is for 2 ch or mch? do we know even know how to select 2ch or mch from a SACD?

And it is not just SACD that is confusing.

I am very reluctant to put any money on a pioneer player until they straighten out this mess.
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... someone recently posted that the European BDP-440 doesn't have the 176.4 KHz capability ...

Where is this post?
If you mean my post, I simply posted, that multi channel DSD will be converted to only 88.2 kHz PCM if needed. Not more.
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This thread has devolved into painful hair splitting

The BDP-52 is a nice little player if gotten below retail. At retail, it's a bit too close to oppo territory.
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This thread has devolved into painful hair splitting

The BDP-52 is a nice little player if gotten below retail. At retail, it's a bit too close to oppo territory.

The thig that puts these players ahead of the Oppos is that the Pioneers use the MT8555 for the player's brain, while the Oppos use a modified MT8520 or MT8530. With the Pioneer, the brain is the latest. I believe that the brain of a player is the starting point. If that's good, then the extras such as QDEO, Source Direct, PQLS, etc. are just icing on the cake. I don't mean that against Oppo. I just like to have the latest when it comes to how the player lives and breathes.
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This thread has devolved into painful hair splitting

The BDP-52 is a nice little player if gotten below retail. At retail, it's a bit too close to oppo territory.

If all the features worked, the pioneer when paired with a pio receiver would be better than oppo even at retail.

If this thread is so painful, you should simply not read it,

Trying to figure out what the player is capable of is not hair splitting in my opinion.
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I'm returning my BDP-52FD to Pioneer and am going to purchase the BDP-53FD when it's released. I shall give my SACD as 176.4 KHz PCM issue a rest. If the BDP-53FD doesn't have that capability, then I shall continue persuing it.
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The thig that puts these players ahead of the Oppos is that the Pioneers use the MT8555 for the player's brain, while the Oppos use a modified MT8520 or MT8530. With the Pioneer, the brain is the latest. I believe that the brain of a player is the starting point. If that's good, then the extras such as QDEO, Source Direct, PQLS, etc. are just icing on the cake. I don't mean that against Oppo. I just like to have the latest when it comes to how the player lives and breathes.

You're assuming that the Oppo modified chip doesn't perform as well or better than the chip in the Pioneer? Other than a love for all things Pioneer; side by side the Oppo BDP-93 is a better purchase and offers much more than either the 52 or 53 in my opinion. I think I stated in a previous posting that the only reason to purchase a 52 or 53 as opposed to the Oppo BDP-93 is that if you are a diehard Pioneer purchaser or find value in matching it with a Pioneer AVR that supports PQLS, which I’ve read varying opinions from owners on sound quality improvement.

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If all the features worked, the pioneer when paired with a pio receiver would be better than oppo even at retail.

Really! See my previous post and can you elaborate on your comment?

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Really! See my previous post and can you elaborate on your comment?

sure imagine you own a SC-55/57

common styling
pqls
common remote
iControlAV2 controls both - a really nice feature

the BDP-53fd will wiegh more and hold down things better in a tornado

without those things, the oppo would blow it away if priced the same

oppo has the 7 channel analog outputs but why would you want those with a SC-57 and you can't even use them with a SC-55

esata is nice and the big thing, oppo is a known quantity and seems commited updating their firmware

so yes, as a pioneer SC-55 owner i would pay the same as an oppo 93 for the bdp-53fd IF it has the features that I have seen on various pioneer propoganda

however, i have not been impressed with the release of the BDP-140 and BDP-52FD, and in particular the documentation and lack of detail
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I have to disagree with the iControlAV2 point. It's gimmicky and pointless (finger EQ? Tilt to control bass boost, alancing to control sweet spot? Useless!)

However, PQLS and 3-year Canaddian warranty makes it all worth buying the BDP-53. Oh, don't forget the AKM DAC on the Pioneer too!

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sure imagine you own a SC-55/57

common styling
pqls
common remote
iControlAV2 controls both - a really nice feature

the BDP-53fd will wiegh more and hold down things better in a tornado

without those things, the oppo would blow it away if priced the same

oppo has the 7 channel analog outputs but why would you want those with a SC-57 and you can't even use them with a SC-55

esata is nice and the big thing, oppo is a known quantity and seems commited updating their firmware

so yes, as a pioneer SC-55 owner i would pay the same as an oppo 93 for the bdp-53fd IF it has the features that I have seen on various pioneer propoganda

however, i have not been impressed with the release of the BDP-140 and BDP-52FD, and in particular the documentation and lack of detail

I'm going to hold out my hopes for the BDP-53FD. If it turns out that it has all the features the BDP-140 and BDP-440/BDP-52FD was supposed to have, then I'll be able to lay these matters to rest and steer everyone towards the BDP-53FD/BDP-LX55.
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I have to disagree with the iControlAV2 point. It's gimmicky and pointless (finger EQ? Tilt to control bass boost, alancing to control sweet spot? Useless!)

However, PQLS and 3-year Canaddian warranty makes it all worth buying the BDP-53. Oh, don't forget the AKM DAC on the Pioneer too!

I agree those things are useless......And yet I can sit in my garage and control my stereo functions and since everyone seems to want OSD hey guess what you get that with your iPad

Controlling zones a mess with the remote a cinch with I control

I rarely touch the remote
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sure imagine you own a SC-55/57

common styling
pqls
common remote
iControlAV2 controls both - a really nice feature

the BDP-53fd will wiegh more and hold down things better in a tornado

without those things, the oppo would blow it away if priced the same

oppo has the 7 channel analog outputs but why would you want those with a SC-57 and you can't even use them with a SC-55

esata is nice and the big thing, oppo is a known quantity and seems commited updating their firmware

so yes, as a pioneer SC-55 owner i would pay the same as an oppo 93 for the bdp-53fd IF it has the features that I have seen on various pioneer propoganda

however, i have not been impressed with the release of the BDP-140 and BDP-52FD, and in particular the documentation and lack of detail

Given the aforementioned I understand the value that some may place on the Pioneer, which I eluded to in my earlier posts.

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Is there any applicable solution for replacing the remote from BDP-440 for some better-responsive device???
I have already second BDP-440 in 2 weeks as I returned the first one due to weak remote responsiveness, unfortunately the new piece acts exactly like that...problem is that though the remote from my VSX-1120 acts perfect, programming it for BDP-440 doesn´t help...it acts in the same poor way...
I have a great suspicion that Pioneer screwed it up with these new players as they put the disc tray in the middle and the remote sensor just beneath that...it drives me crazy as I always need to point the remote directly to the player, otherwise it doesn´t respond at all...
also, the AVR drop-outs didn´t stop, too...and I found out that it´s a matter of HDMI control/PQLS switched ON...the new player is just weird...
we all looked forward to some significant upgrade compared to SharPioneers from last year, and though the speed + NTSC and .m2ts, .m4v and x264 playback are all good, the player fails again in basic operations...damn it

I forgot to add:
yesterday, I was trying to get the DLNA on the BDP-440 to work, unfortunately the performance is again pretty weak, you need WMP 11 at the beginning and then everytime I try to stream some video from my PC the player throws error message that browsing failed and then it all FREEZES...you need to unplug it from wall socket, unless you enjoy pressing the remote buttons for next 5 hours with no response...
..I just can´t trust them anymore, I wrote a complaint to Pioneer EU on Thursday, no response indeed...
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Pioneer BDP-140 Blu-ray player First Take - Home A/V - CNET Asia http://asia.cnet.com/product/pioneer...r-45704895.htm
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Pioneer BDP-140 Blu-ray player First Take - Home A/V - CNET Asia http://asia.cnet.com/product/pioneer...r-45704895.htm

Flac support?
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Flac support?

from CNET asia yes, from european owners yes
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from CNET asia yes, from european owners yes

having to change the extension on the file to mp3 is not flac support

it is either a bug or undocumented feature and it could easily disappear in a firmware upgrade to fix, oh say, the chapter number not appearing

from the recent Pioneer Singapore press release and you will find the same thing on the Pioneer Japan press release

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Further strengthening these models’ audio capabilities is support for the FLAC (BDP-LX55 only) audio format which has gained substantial support amongst audiophiles.

http://www.pioneer.com.sg/storefront...r=&EntryId=969

so I find it strange that CNET Asia would mention FLAC support at all in light of the press release information - especially on the BDP-140

since pioneer europe seemed to indicate this would only be on the BDP-440 and LX55

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr...-BDP-LX55.html

but as 'everyone knows' the BDP-140 will play flac, if you change the extension on the file and I was the first to ask if that meant you could use .mp3 so yes, I am aware of that fact

i find it very frustrating that contradicting information on these players keeps being released by various sources including the divisions within Pioneer.
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Anyone have the pioneer 53fd yet ?

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Anyone have the pioneer 53fd yet ?

Not out yet. It is supposed to be available sometime in December.

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Funny is, that pictures of BDP-440/52FD/LX-55 show the display with chapters, "1: 1: 00440"...
in reality: just "00440", no tracks or chapters whatsoever....I tried BD, DVD, CD, USB...
These guys seriously need to throw out immediate firmware for all the new BDPs, otherwise it´s just another premature ejaculation
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funny is, that pictures of bdp-440/52fd/lx-55 show the display with chapters, "1: 1: 00440"...
In reality: Just "00440", no tracks or chapters whatsoever....i tried bd, dvd, cd, usb...
These guys seriously need to throw out immediate firmware for all the new bdps, otherwise it´s just another premature ejaculation:d

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Does anyone know, if the new Lx-55/53fd will be able to play external subtitles from its usb port?
Not only for mkvs but for blu-ray disks as well.. (Just like the Oppo93)?
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and yet i bet they have different firmware, I bet you don't have netflix streaming support in europe

as I said, at this point i would assume nothing about the capability of a pioneer product

and the recent October press release from Japan and Singapore continue to mention 176.4 KHz capability

do we know if 176.4 KHz is for 2 ch or mch? do we know even know how to select 2ch or mch from a SACD?

And it is not just SACD that is confusing.

I am very reluctant to put any money on a pioneer player until they straighten out this mess.

Hi Everyone,

Sorry for not being around for awhile... Lots of work... I read some of the comments regarding SACD output from the BDP player to a receiver and what frequency output. There is not a simple way to check this, however if you have a Pioneer receiver that supports our iControlAV2 Android/Apple application you go to the info screen and you can see that the DSD information is sent as 176.4kHz....

Here is a screenshot......

I will try and answer as many other questions that have been posted soon...

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It's nice to see you back here
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... regarding SACD output from the BDP player to a receiver and what frequency output. There is not a simple way to check this, ...

There is a simple way to check this: Use a receiver which shows the sample frequency it receives. In my case it was a Denon AVR-4310.
I had the european BDP-440 with firmware version "V02.08".
This Denon AVR can decode DSD so I wouldn't let the player convert it to PCM, but there are AVRs which can't decode DSD. To test it, I set the output in the player to PCM und played the multi channel layer of the SACD Pink Floyd "The dark side of the moon" and the receiver showed a PCM sample frequency of 88.2 kHz.

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... the DSD information is sent as 176.4kHz...

I assume this was stereo?
Could anyone try multi channel (5.1)?
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Hi Everyone,

Sorry for not being around for awhile... Lots of work... I read some of the comments regarding SACD output from the BDP player to a receiver and what frequency output. There is not a simple way to check this, however if you have a Pioneer receiver that supports our iControlAV2 Android/Apple application you go to the info screen and you can see that the DSD information is sent as 176.4kHz....

Here is a screenshot......

I will try and answer as many other questions that have been posted soon...

Chris Walker
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Thanks for contributing Chris,
if you can, please give me some opinion on the VSX-1120`s drop-outs I wrote about before as communication with Pio US is, forgive me, pain in the ass...it all started with BDP-440 plugged in (I have a second one already) and I just can`t believe it`s the HDMI control/PQLS problem...though it pretty much appears so...
also, I know it`s a kind of classified stuff within Pioneer but would you be able to advise me how to get to DVD-only multiregion capability for this player? Pio EU is of course very reluctant in any advices, though all the previous Pio BDPs could have easily been modified by a firmware file...
thanks a lot,
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...regarding SACD output from the BDP player to a receiver and what frequency output. There is not a simple way to check this, however if you have a Pioneer receiver that supports our iControlAV2 Android/Apple application you go to the info screen and you can see that the DSD information is sent as 176.4kHz....

Here is a screenshot......

Chris,

The screenshot shows 2 front speakers highlighted, so I assume it's 2CH?

I'm intrigued by the DSD>PCM indication - which suggests the AVR is doing the DSD to PCM conversion internally. Are you sure the AVR is actually receiving PCM, not DSD from the player? I ask because if the AVR is receiving PCM, how does it know that the PCM is converted from DSD in the player and not from say a PCM track from Blu-ray Disc?

Also, others have reported difficulty in switching between CD and SACD and between SACD 2CH and MCH and this needs to be investigated further. Thanks.

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many other questions that have been posted soon...

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Awesome!

I'll try to consolidate all my questions in one spot.

Does DSD information being sent as 176.4kHz PCM work for mch?

Which players will support FLAC on an external hard drive and at what bit depth and rate?

Will the manuals be updated to show that NTFS, external hard drives, and MKV 1920x1080 are supported?

Will there be a firmware update so that the chapter is displayed?

Will the BDP-53FD play an iso DVD or blu-ray image?
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Thanks for contributing Chris,
if you can, please give me some opinion on the VSX-1120`s drop-outs I wrote about before as communication with Pio US is, forgive me, pain in the ass...it all started with BDP-440 plugged in (I have a second one already) and I just can`t believe it`s the HDMI control/PQLS problem...though it pretty much appears so...
also, I know it`s a kind of classified stuff within Pioneer but would you be able to advise me how to get to DVD-only multiregion capability for this player? Pio EU is of course very reluctant in any advices, though all the previous Pio BDPs could have easily been modified by a firmware file...
thanks a lot,
Jan

Hi Jan,

I will look into the VSX-1120/BDP-52FD audio drop-out issue... Does it happen on all titles? I know you said that PQLS needs to be turned on..

I can't help you about the multi-region DVD issue. Pioneer does not offer or condone modified players. (Sorry)...

Chris Walker
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