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I need help. As some of you know, Pioneer plans on shifting their home electronics business to Onkyo and Baring. I assume that would mean they're going to bow out of it all together and focus on DJing, cycle sports, and car electronics. I decided not to wait and see what happens because I'm afraid I might miss out on something. Here are the things that are important to me: converting all formats to PCM so I can use PQLS with my Elite VSX-32 receiver, PQLS, 480i via HDMI, modifiable for multi-region SD DVD via special IR code, and SACD playback (forget DSD-to-PCM conversion higher than 88.2 KHz). The only player in history which meets all these requirements is the BDP-52FD/440. At least it's a much faster disc loader than the BDP-05FD/09FD/23FD/31FD/33FD/41FD/43FD/51FD/120/320/330/430/LX52/LX53/LX54/LX71/LX91 players between 2008 and 2010, thanks to its MediaTek CPU. Here's where I need your help. I probibly should have checked with you guys first. Someone is selling one on ebay bundled with a VSX-521 receiver. I am seeing if I could get the seller to sell me the player separately. It says that the stuff has been used, but doesn't show it on the surfaces of the components. I told the seller that I would pay under $200, preferably $150, since it's a September 2011 model and though slightly used, it was used. What do you guys think of my judgment considering that it was originally $400 back in September of 2011? If you guys think it's still worth more, I'll send him another message via the ebay messaging system and tell him that I would pay more for it.
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I need help. As some of you know, Pioneer plans on shifting their home electronics business to Onkyo and Baring. I assume that would mean they're going to bow out of it all together and focus on DJing, cycle sports, and car electronics. I decided not to wait and see what happens because I'm afraid I might miss out on something. Here are the things that are important to me: converting all formats to PCM so I can use PQLS with my Elite VSX-32 receiver, PQLS, 480i via HDMI, modifiable for multi-region SD DVD via special IR code, and SACD playback (forget DSD-to-PCM conversion higher than 88.2 KHz). The only player in history which meets all these requirements is the BDP-52FD/440. At least it's a much faster disc loader than the BDP-05FD/09FD/23FD/31FD/33FD/41FD/43FD/51FD/120/320/330/430/LX52/LX53/LX54/LX71/LX91 players between 2008 and 2010, thanks to its MediaTek CPU. Here's where I need your help. I probibly should have checked with you guys first. Someone is selling one on ebay bundled with a VSX-521 receiver. I am seeing if I could get the seller to sell me the player separately. It says that the stuff has been used, but doesn't show it on the surfaces of the components. I told the seller that I would pay under $200, preferably $150, since it's a September 2011 model and though slightly used, it was used. What do you guys think of my judgment considering that it was originally $400 back in September of 2011? If you guys think it's still worth more, I'll send him another message via the ebay messaging system and tell him that I would pay more for it.

Hi BigC,

Pioneer is not shifting their Home Electronics Business to Baring and Onkyo. Baring has purchased 51% of Pioneer as an investment and Pioneer and Onkyo own the remaining 49%. The exact split has not been announced yet. Pioneer and Onkyo will remain separate brands and investments from Baring will give us the capital to invest in non-traditional areas.

As far as BD is concerned you will see new models (Even a new flagship) launch by the end of the year.

Here is a link to a good explanation of what is going on at Pioneer.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/24/p...ome-av-groups/

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I need help. As some of you know, Pioneer plans on shifting their home electronics business to Onkyo and Baring. I assume that would mean they're going to bow out of it all together and focus on DJing, cycle sports, and car electronics. I decided not to wait and see what happens because I'm afraid I might miss out on something. Here are the things that are important to me: converting all formats to PCM so I can use PQLS with my Elite VSX-32 receiver, PQLS, 480i via HDMI, modifiable for multi-region SD DVD via special IR code, and SACD playback (forget DSD-to-PCM conversion higher than 88.2 KHz). The only player in history which meets all these requirements is the BDP-52FD/440. At least it's a much faster disc loader than the BDP-05FD/09FD/23FD/31FD/33FD/41FD/43FD/51FD/120/320/330/430/LX52/LX53/LX54/LX71/LX91 players between 2008 and 2010, thanks to its MediaTek CPU. Here's where I need your help. I probibly should have checked with you guys first. Someone is selling one on ebay bundled with a VSX-521 receiver. I am seeing if I could get the seller to sell me the player separately. It says that the stuff has been used, but doesn't show it on the surfaces of the components. I told the seller that I would pay under $200, preferably $150, since it's a September 2011 model and though slightly used, it was used. What do you guys think of my judgment considering that it was originally $400 back in September of 2011? If you guys think it's still worth more, I'll send him another message via the ebay messaging system and tell him that I would pay more for it.
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What's the obsession with 480i over HDMI? What sources are 480i anymore? The used Pioneer 53fd I bought for $150 has been a pretty solid machine since it's final firmware update and is on sale refurbished at Pioneer.com for $238. I know that's a bit more than you want to spend (and that you returned one) but at least you get a 90 day warranty so any bugs/defects that might show up are taken care of. I'm pretty sure everything else you wanted is available on the 53fd as it's a step up from the 52fd and the manual indicates it plays 480i over HDMI.

What does the 52 do that the 53 doesn't?

PS I just looked at the Pioneer site and there's a new BluRay player coming out next month for $299 list. You may have seen it already but if not it's the BDP-80FD. I'm not sure about all the specs but someone here might have them or they might be available on the Pioneer site.

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What's the obsession with 480i over HDMI? What sources are 480i anymore? The used Pioneer 53fd I bought for $150 has been a pretty solid machine since it's final firmware update and is on sale refurbished at Pioneer.com for $238. I know that's a bit more than you want to spend (and that you returned one) but at least you get a 90 day warranty so any bugs/defects that might show up are taken care of. I'm pretty sure everything else you wanted is available on the 53fd as it's a step up from the 52fd and the manual indicates it plays 480i over HDMI.

What does the 52 do that the 53 doesn't?

PS I just looked at the Pioneer site and there's a new BluRay player coming out next month for $299 list. You may have seen it already but if not it's the BDP-80FD. I'm not sure about all the specs but someone here might have them or they might be available on the Pioneer site.
That was a typo. I forget whether it was under Display settings or HDMI, but if you go into the settings, you'll see that the BDP-53FD won't output 480i. It only goes down to 480p. 480i is how DVDs are recorded, and I prefer to play things as recorded. The BDP-52FD is capable of 480i output. The new BDP-80FD is really the BDP-170 with an Elite badge. It's entry level--no PQLS or other truly Elite features. Under the assumption Pioneer was bowing out of home electronics, I was originally going to attempt to grab that BDP-52FD from that ebay seller if I still had a chance, but did you read Walkamo's post from a few days ago posted right above yours? Pioneer plans on releasing a flagship model by the end of the year. They're not bowing out of home electronics. They will still be distributing their own stuff. So now I'm going to wait for the release of their flagship model. I'll also be coupling it with the new Elite VSX-80 receiver because of the ESS Sabre 9006 high-quality audio DACs for under $1k.
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That was a typo. I forget whether it was under Display settings or HDMI, but if you go into the settings, you'll see that the BDP-53FD won't output 480i. It only goes down to 480p. 480i is how DVDs are recorded, and I prefer to play things as recorded. The BDP-52FD is capable of 480i output. The new BDP-80FD is really the BDP-170 with an Elite badge. It's entry level--no PQLS or other truly Elite features. Under the assumption Pioneer was bowing out of home electronics, I was originally going to attempt to grab that BDP-52FD from that ebay seller if I still had a chance, but did you read Walkamo's post from a few days ago posted right above yours? Pioneer plans on releasing a flagship model by the end of the year. They're not bowing out of home electronics. They will still be distributing their own stuff. So now I'm going to wait for the release of their flagship model. I'll also be coupling it with the new Elite VSX-80 receiver because of the ESS Sabre 9006 high-quality audio DACs for under $1k.
I checked and you're right but I fail to see the benefit of not using a Marvell Qdeo scaler, especially on 480i material!

I don't mean this in any way to be insensitive but have you not said many times that you're sight challenged? If this is the case why would you not want the best possible picture at all times? I use glasses and am pretty happy I can just set the HDMI out to auto/1080p and get a great picture with anything. I guess if there was any benefit (in my mind) to use source direct with low grade input sources I'd just use my 58AV but have yet had the need or desire to do so.

Different strokes I guess... but I really don't get it I'd. Maybe you could explain the benefit you receive from 480i playback?
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Maybe you could explain the benefit you receive from 480i playback?
If you have a superior external video scaler, you'd want to feed it the "pure" (untouched or original) native video format of DVD which is 480i.

The irony of this is that players capable of outputting 480i almost always have an excellent video scaler built in.
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I guess until I'm familiar with how different upscaling/post processing works, I like streaming, my 480i DVDs and my Blu-rays distinguishable from one another, as well as compressed audio, lossless audio, and uncompressed audio to be distinguishable from each other (I don't use sound retrieve).
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I guess until I'm familiar with how different upscaling/post processing works, I like streaming, my 480i DVDs and my Blu-rays distinguishable from one another, as well as compressed audio, lossless audio, and uncompressed audio to be distinguishable from each other (I don't use sound retrieve).
As I said, different strokes...I like seeing and hearing things in the best manner possible at all times. I rarely use mp3 but if something is only available in mp3 format I often use the sound retriever function with pretty good results. 99% of my audio is lossless so it's not much of an issue for me personally.

As far as video goes, I've yet to watch any 480i video that isn't improved by up-scaling, especially with the Qdeo chip.

As far as lossless and uncompressed go...if you can hear the difference between FLAC or ALAC and WAV/AIFF you have either better equipment or better ears than I do (or both) and I'm a pretty critical listener with a decent system.

My headphone gear is an above average balanced set-up and I'd lose a lot of money trying to bet on whether any music I'm listening to is in FLAC or WAV!

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The irony of this is that players capable of outputting 480i almost always have an excellent video scaler built in.
That makes sense and likely made more sense in the past when players didn't have the kind of built in processors they do today.

I'm happy to get good upscaled content from the 53fd at a fraction of the cost of an Oppo, let alone an external scaler. I used to worry about the analog outs but I have my 58AV for that if needed for any music. I've yet to watch any movies that required analog outs for audio playback. If I start getting into BluRay audio only discs it might be an issue but a new/better receiver will take care of that.

HDMI is fine for any video playback. It will improve even further with better DAC chip /implementation in the newer receivers. Gotta love that trickle down if you're on a budget
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Hi BigC,

Pioneer is not shifting their Home Electronics Business to Baring and Onkyo. Baring has purchased 51% of Pioneer as an investment and Pioneer and Onkyo own the remaining 49%. The exact split has not been announced yet. Pioneer and Onkyo will remain separate brands and investments from Baring will give us the capital to invest in non-traditional areas.

As far as BD is concerned you will see new models (Even a new flagship) launch by the end of the year.

Here is a link to a good explanation of what is going on at Pioneer.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/24/p...ome-av-groups/

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Chris, when you said that there will be new Blu-ray players out by the end of the year, were you refering only to the BDP-80FD, or did you mean players in addition to that one? Also, does the BDP-80FD support PQLS?
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Sometime between today and tomorrow, I should be able to test the new Elite BDP-80FD (which seems to be a Pioneer BDP-170 for double the cost). Due to some discrepancies between its online product detail page, PDF brochure, and PDF manual, I think the manual has a typo and that neither player really has PQLS. Here's what I don't like. When I phoned Pioneer of USA regarding the BDP-80FD and explained my suspitions. They put me on hold for five to ten minutes so they could check with the engineers. The rep came back with a confirmation that the BDP-80FD does support PQLS. However, when I e-mailed Pioneer of Europe regarding the BDP-170 and explained my suspitions, I had to wait about two weeks for a response. They also checked with the engineers, and when they responded, they told me that the BDP-170 does not support PQLS. Here's the bottom line. I will be using the new player with the Elite VSX-32 receiver. So I'll have to set HDMI Control to On on the player and receiver. On the player, I'll have to set HDMI Audio to PCM. On the receiver, I'll have to set PQLS to Auto. If PQLS doesn't work, I'll be returning the BDP-80FD. Because I'm more than fifty percent sure that PQLS will not work with the BDP-80FD, I already began looking for a BDP-52FD. I'll live with the poor remote sensor. If anyone plans on getting rid of a 52, please PM me via AVS. Let me know your PayPal e-mail, asking price, and whether the player has been modified (multi-region IR hack, custom firmware, multi-region hardware, etc.) or has not been modified (original or latest Pioneer firmware). I would prefer an unmodified player with factory firmware between the earliest and latest version. I'd feel more comfortable doing the mods myself. Of course, if I turn out to be wrong about the BDP-80FD (which I hope I am), I will post a follow-up to this. Thanks, guys.

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My BDP-80FD arrived today. I tested it and PQLS doesn't work, so it's going back to PUSA. So it looks like I'll be getting one of the discontinued players, either the BDP-52FD, BDP-53FD, or BDP-62FD.
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I just ordered a BDP-52FD on ebay from someone selling it individually, as opposed to part of a bundle, such as with the VSX-521 receiver.
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I'm returning my BDP-52FD to Pioneer and am going to purchase the BDP-53FD when it's released. I shall give my SACD as 176.4 KHz PCM issue a rest. If the BDP-53FD doesn't have that capability, then I shall continue persuing it.
Going back three years ago, I would have permanently stuck with the BDP-52FD if I knew (1) that Pioneer's $700 Elite VSX-80 receiver was going to have an ESS Sabre Premier ES9006 jitter-tolerant, DSD-to-analog capable DAC, as well as support PQLS bitstream of all audio formats, (2) that all their Blu-ray players to the present were going to have similar speed and functionality, and (3) that their mid-level BDP-LX58 and flagship BDP-LX88 would be too expensive because of multi-channel analog output not many people would be able to use with most current A/V receivers. At least I was lucky and was able to purchase a used BDP-52FD.
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Within the past few days, I noticed that after hitting open/close, the tray would occasionally close right after it opens. When this problem began, I was able to get it to stay open after another try. However, today, the problem got so bad that I had to try ten or twenty times before the tray would stay open! My first thought was that I could wind up with a kidnapped disc if this keeps up. So guess who is returning his BDP-53FD! I am leaning towards the Yamaha BD-A1010. All I need to know preferably from someone who has used the player is whether or not it really does convert DSD to PCM at 176.4 KHz, 24 bit.
In case anyone is worried about the tray closing by itself, that might have been because of something I was doing in Service Mode trying to figure out a way to do a multi-region hack. If you want to make the player multi-region for SD DVD playback, you need to go into Initial Settings, highlight Options (don't press Enter), and send a special IR code for making Pioneer SD DVD players multi-region. Even with the narrow-angled remote sensor and DSD-to-PCM at only 88.2 KHz, if you use PQLS bitstreaming with one of the Pioneer or Pioneer Elite receivers with ESS Sabre DACs, they make great quality, high-speed, HDMI transports.
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Hi everyone,

I just installed the currently freely available HDSir CFW on my LX55. Region select works like a charm (although I was confused when I first tried a BD and my AVR only showed regular DTS although it should be DTS Master HD - a reset to factory defaults fixed that).

I do however have a problem and maybe you can help:

I have a number of demo-BDs that come in BDMV-folders. In the past I created a AVCHD-folder on a thumb-drive, put the BDMV-folder in there and then I could playback the demo-BD when selecting "AVCHD" in the Pioneer's Home Media Gallery after I selected the USB-drive. Problem with that: You can only have one demo-BD on a thumb-drive at the same time.

Now I'm wondering if there is a way with the CFW to keep more than one BDMV-folders on a thumb-drive or an external hard-drive and if yes how the folder structure on the drive has to be so that the LX55 will recognize the files.

Thanks in advance for your help!

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Problem solved: The AVCHD-files now appear in the Movie-folder of Home Media Gallery and not in the AVCHD-folder.

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A few nights ago, I was using my VSX-32 to play an SACD on my BDP-52FD converted to PCM so I could take advantage of PQLS. Last night, I started bitstreaming everything to my SC-81. SD DVDs with Dolby Digital were playing fine. However, I seem to be getting skips and audio dropouts when bitstreaming anything hi-res, whether Blu-ray movie audio or pure DSD. I'm starting to think that Pioneer A/V receivers and MediaTek Blu-ray players don't get along when bitstreaming because the last time I bitstreamed something to my VSX-32 with the Yamaha BD-A1010, I got the same issue in the same spot of the movie. I think Pioneer and MediaTek need to start working together so this could be straightened out. One of the reasons I shelled out $1k for the SC-81 was for jitterless bitstreams and to cut down on HDMI bandwidth. I made the mistake a few years ago of giving up on the BDP-52FD, when it turned out to be the best universal player solution for me afterall. I'm not giving up on the SC-81. I really think that once Pioneer and MediaTek colaberate on this and get it straightened out, this issue might come to a good closing.
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Could you send me via PM some current info on BD-450 regarding CFW firmware, please. Thanks in advance!
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Could you send me via PM some current info on BD-450 regarding CFW firmware, please. Thanks in advance!
what exactly you would like to know?
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what exactly you would like to know?
Could you PM me with info on a current and secure firmware for BDP-450, please? I already have CFW 4.04 working well.
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PM me if you are looking for an English & PayPal capable re-seller of the authentic Chinese HDSir custom firmwares for Pioneer blu-ray players (no affiliation).
Could you send me an info about this, since I am not able to PM you yet. Thanks!
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what exactly you would like to get out of new CFW if your 4.04 works fine?
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