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post #181 of 1852 Old 08-23-2011, 03:13 PM
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Not to rain on the parade but the same thing happened when their original Blu-ray players were about to be introduced. It was quickly followed by silence. It's called marketing and I was more influenced by them disappearing than showing up and pushing a new product.
if someone from Pioneer wants to post a real image and model number for a product that won't be publicaly announced for another three weeks, I am all for it

that can help those of us in the market for a new blu-ray player - imagine how stupid you feel walking into a store after you bought something only to see the new model was released?

or how about passing up all of the sales on the currnet model waiting for the next only to find out it isn't what you wanted?

of course it is marketing - but releasing early information is generally not in the companies interests

so I say again, it is nice for someone from Pioneer to post the information - if you don't like it - just ignore it
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The new 2011 Pioneer Blu-Ray players are going to have DVD-Audio support so that could be a great great addition to make them a real alternative for Oppo's players.

See: http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/4...440/specs.html
For a reference, which is the European high-end Blue-Ray player but the NON-elite US equivalent. The High-End Elite equivalent for the European market will be called BDP-LX55 but I can't find the specification page of that one yet

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I would very much like to see that page. The dvd-audio support is a huge plus for me. I have quite a few dvd audio and sacd discs from the failed formats. To think we are still stuck with CD's and their 1982 technology? Who would have thought. Thankfully consumers have gone beyond VHS tapes.
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The new 2011 Pioneer Blu-Ray players are going to have DVD-Audio support so that could be a great great addition to make them a real alternative for Oppo's players.

See: http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/4...440/specs.html

Thanks for the discovery! That's more like it. Now I can look forward to having my first Pioneer universal player, if it delivers, and possibly to pair with the new Elite AVR to have PQLS.

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I can't imagine you could name a better player in the same pricerange when the 05/51 came out. The Oppo wasn't out, all there was was the panasonics with lfe bug and cruddy upscaling and overpriced denons with same LFE bug and other problems on top of it that required sending the player back to denon for repair.

But, yeah, I could see how the 05/51 could scare a tech newbie...

Bah, I was a newbie when it came to updating firmware via DVD on a BDP when I got my BDP51, but I've run it three times so far, no problem The first time is the harrowing, hair-pulling part, then you're good.

Besides, its analog-outs saved me having to put out new cash immediately on an HDMI-equipped AVR, AND, running analogs out let me use the internal Wolfson DACs inside her. Let me put these DACs in perspective. You normally find them in gear costing well over a grand.

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Why is it a ridiculous decision? I purchased it in December of '06. I was one of the first 10 people to purchase it directly from the Pioneer store back when they were open in CA for $1500. It has been ROCK SOLID, never had a single issue, played a few hundred BDs as well as many DVDs! Sure it is a little slow, but who cares really? I don't need/want BD Live/Picture-in-Picture. The only thing I miss is decoding of DTS-MA, but that is not that big of a deal anyway. Other than that, why would I replace the HD1? There has been nothing that has come along that can really beat his player, especially since I paid $1500 and I would end up with nothing if I tried to ever sell it. The 09FD was a possibility, but for me I would not be gaining too much, except a lighter wallet. I was bascially waiting for Pioneer to get their act together again and now is the perfect time since I am looking for another player to move into my den and out of my theater. The new Elite might be a good replacement in my theater...we shall see!

Remind me if my memory is off, but the HD1 doesn't play CDs, right?

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The new 2011 Pioneer Blu-Ray players are going to have DVD-Audio support so that could be a great great addition to make them a real alternative for Oppo's players.

See: http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/4...440/specs.html
For a reference, which is the European high-end Blue-Ray player but the NON-elite US equivalent. The High-End Elite equivalent for the European market will be called BDP-LX55 but I can't find the specification page of that one yet

There's quick start listed as a feature...
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I'm going to go with Mediatek player (i.e. oppo93 variant).
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Remind me if my memory is off, but the HD1 doesn't play CDs, right?

No it doesn't...it has a BD-RW drive that does not play Cd's. Not really a big deal for me since I do not even have the need to play CD's where my HD1 is located.

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Is there going to be a new version of an LX-91 or something from the top shelf with SACD playback? I don't want this Chinese stuff
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So much for my prediction of multi-channel analog audio out.
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So much for my prediction of multi-channel analog audio out.

The Elite 52 still may have analog multi channel outs
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Damn, I was hoping one of those was for the BDP-LX55 with component outs.
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So much for my prediction of multi-channel analog audio out.

I think its a safe bet considering this lx55 blurb posted earlier;maybe burr brown or ess 32 bit dacs ?
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I think its a safe bet considering this lx55 blurb posted earlier;maybe burr brown or ess 32 bit dacs ?

i don't think multi-channel is safe bet at all - you would still need dacs for stereo output which is what the LX54 had and the BDP-140/440 have

considering the present state of multi channel sound, it would seem to me that HDMI is used 99% of the time for the higher end stuff and then digital output and a very small (vocal) minority of analog

Stereo might be another story

personally i would say take the audio dacs out of the player, i don't use them and don't want to pay for it
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i don't think multi-channel is safe bet at all - you would still need dacs for stereo output which is what the LX54 had and the BDP-140/440 have

considering the present state of multi channel sound, it would seem to me that HDMI is used 99% of the time for the higher end stuff and then digital output and a very small (vocal) minority of analog

Stereo might be another story

personally i would say take the audio dacs out of the player, i don't use them and don't want to pay for it

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Now that I have a VSX-32, the DACs in a player are pointless even to me at this point in my, as well as many of our A/V journey.

In 2009, the American version of the BDP-LX52 (the Elite BDP-23FD) included 7.1 analog output. However, in 2010, the Elite BDP-31FD, BDP-33FD, BDP-41FD, and BDP-43FD, like the overseas BDP-LX53 and BDP-LX54 used stereo two-channel output. This would lead many, including myself, to believe that the new Elite BDP-52FD will not include 7.1-channel analog output, but will use two-channel stereo analog output. To tell you the truth, I don't know why we even need stereo two-channel analog output anymore, especially considering that Pioneer and Onkyo are using higher quality DACs in their mid-end receivers these days.
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i don't think multi-channel is safe bet at all - you would still need dacs for stereo output which is what the LX54 had and the BDP-140/440 have

considering the present state of multi channel sound, it would seem to me that HDMI is used 99% of the time for the higher end stuff and then digital output and a very small (vocal) minority of analog
Stereo might be another story.
personally i would say take the audio dacs out of the player, i don't use them and don't want to pay for it

You make a good point about the previous gen but considering the upgraded 32 as opposed to 24 bit dacs ;and being a universal player; 2ch only being upgraded doesnt make much sense to me
Will be interesting to see if this is a direct competitor for the oppo95 and its multi analogs [its got a qdeo scaling chip as well according to avland]
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You make a good point about the previous gen but considering the upgraded 32 as opposed to 24 bit dacs

that is a good point also, seeing as there hasn't been any pictures released (of the back) or complete specs, i guess we will find out next week!
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that is a good point also, seeing as there hasn't been any pictures released (of the back) or complete specs, i guess we will find out next week!
I think the odds are your right; maybe they have a bulk purchase of 32 bit dacs and will find there way into the avrs too; I just found this; plays flac too

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/p...roduct_ID/8050
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I think the odds are your right; maybe they have a bulk purchase of 32 bit dacs and will find there way into the avrs too; I just found this; plays flac too

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/p...roduct_ID/8050
Well, that clearly states only 2 channel analog outputs. Still, the US version could be different, the BDP-320's had different outputs too.


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No component outs, can't say I am surprised. Keeping my 05 then till I get a new TV.
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No component outs, can't say I am surprised. Keeping my 05 then till I get a new TV.

I don't think many new Blu-ray players will have component outs, because of the 'analog sunset' rule, no units made after December 31, 2010 can contain hd analog video outputs.

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Check out this official Pioneer press release regarding the BDP-140! This is only the budget version. The thing that has me excited is the ability to transmit SACD as 176.4KHz, 24-bit multi-channel LPCM. Add PQLS to that via the BDP-440, BDP-LX55, and BDP-52FD, you'll have frequency response of up to 80 KHz. Considering you have to pay over $1000 in order to obtain a frequency response of up to 100 KHz with a pure DSD-to-analog conversion, you'd be a real fool not to get the BDP-440, BDP-lx55, or BDP-52FD just for this reason alone! If I could preorder the BDP-52FD today, I would go for it as soon as I click "Submit Reply!"
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BDP-lx55 and bdp-440 press release

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr...-BDP-LX55.html
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BDP-lx55 and bdp-440 press release

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr...-BDP-LX55.html

This is great news! The only disappointment is that the BDP-LX55 won't be released in Europe until November! That'll probibly mean a December release for the US version, the Elite BDP-52FD. It seems like we've held out forever just for the official Pioneer press releases regarding these players. How much longer can we hold out without going crazy? Come on, Pioneer. Bring 'em on! We're all either waiting at an authorized retailor (whether in-store or online), or else waiting to pick up the telephone with our credit cards ready to pull the trigger on one of these babies!
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the back of the european LX55
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Price price price???
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the back of the european LX55

so much for multi channel analog output....

sort of makes you wonder about the big deal with

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aren't most SACD's multi channel?
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