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post #121 of 139 Old 01-25-2015, 03:51 AM
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What is video quality in regards to Blu-ray players?

I've been reading a lot of reviews of Blu-ray players and a lot of them talk about how the video quality looks good or bad or better or worse. They usually don't go into details and never give any numbers. What are these guys talking about? Do Blu-ray players actually even have different video quality? I can't figure it out.
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Not sure what you've been reading. But when playing BluRay discs, BluRay players will look pretty much the same. On the other hand, some players do a better job at upscaling SD DVDs than others.
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Not sure what you've been reading. But when playing BluRay discs, BluRay players will look pretty much the same. On the other hand, some players do a better job at upscaling SD DVDs than others.
Clipping, 1080p24 playback, 60i pulldown, 3:2 pulldown, Luma resolution, Chroma resolution, Chrome upsampling error, Diagonal filtering, Color space decoding. These are just the most essential tests I've read about.
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Clipping, 1080p24 playback, 60i pulldown, 3:2 pulldown, Luma resolution, Chroma resolution, Chrome upsampling error, Diagonal filtering, Color space decoding. These are just the most essential tests I've read about.
Some of those are for standard definition interlaced video: DVD.

Blu-ray is actually easier (in theory) to process, but consumer electronics can have bugs. See the first posts in this thread for some links.

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Some of those are for standard definition interlaced video: DVD.

Blu-ray is actually easier (in theory) to process, but consumer electronics can have bugs. See the first posts in this thread for some links.

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Try these:

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http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/secre...follow-up.html

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Question How does a well reviewed bluray player like the LG BP540 compare to a PS4?

I'm disappointed with my PS4 for bluray playback, primarily because of the lack of a remote control (seriously? - no remote control nearly two years after release). The PS3 was a reference bluray player as everyone knows, I recently traded my PS3 in for a PS4 based on what I perceived to be a decent offer at best buy. I've since read that the PS4 was a step down in video quality, and IMO about 5 steps down in usability for bluray playback. Seeing that there are still no "good" games out for PS4 -- I'm actually discouraged I traded in my PS3 after spending some time now with the PS4.

Ignoring the usability issues on the PS4, how noticeable are the video differences for playing back a bluray or upscaling a DVD between a PS4 and a well reviewed standalone bluray player like the LG BP540? BluRays look fine IMO on the PS4, but I feel like DVDs are not as good as I remember from the PS3. Is that placebo?
In this review the LG is said to have better DVD upscaling and video capabilities than most players - so I'm curious how it compares to what I've got in the PS4.
http://www.tested.com/tech/set-top-b...-player-today/

Has anyone done any comparisons that could offer feedback?

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While there can be very subtle difference with Blu-ray PQ, DVD scaling is not a placebo effect. Sony scaling is not great whether it is the PS3 or the standalone players.

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I agree with Teachsac. In my experience, Sony upscaling has always been average, no matter what the player (standalone, PS3, PS4). I haven't seen an LG lately, but I don't doubt it's better, just as the review says. Most players are going to upscale better than Sony. It's not going to be a huge difference, but probably a noticeable one.

Having said that, all my current players are Sony because of price and other features and the fact that I almost never watch DVDs anymore.
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Yep. I have 2 Sony players. I never watch dvds so I don't worry. If I do, I still have my Hddvd player , Oppo, and Panasonic.

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I have to strongly disagree with you guys. I own the PS3, Pioneer BDP-320, Pioneer BDP-51FD, Panasonic BDT-310, LG BD590, Yamaha S1800, Sony BDP-5100, Sony BDP-S1000ES, and Sony BDP-790 among others. I bought all of them with the objective of finding a player that would make DVDs on an HDTV look as good as they did on a Toshiba CRT that I used to own. All of the players above were lauded at some point on this forum for impressive DVD upscaling. The Sony BDP-790 is head and shoulders above all the other players I own when it comes to DVD upscaling. The DVD upscaling of the Sony BDP-790 is just superb. I also bought a Sony BDP-6200 after they dropped to $128, but it's still in the box and I haven't had a chance to test it. I've heard the DVD upscaling of the 6200 is just as good as the 790.

The only reason I don't own an Oppo is because I've struggled with the idea of paying 500 for a bluray player. I may change my mind at some point, I'm curious to see how the Oppos compare with Sony's flagship units.
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FWIW, I couldn't tell any difference between my 790 and all my other Sony players. None came anywhere near the upscaling on my old Toshiba HD-DVD player. But these are just my general impressions, no scientific testing by any stretch. Every Sony I've ever seen looks softer than other players, which is fine, but not the kind of image I prefer.

Of all my recent players, Panny does the best at upscaling, IMO, if the settings are right. Out of the box, it looks terrible.
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FWIW, I couldn't tell any difference between my 790 and all my other Sony players. None came anywhere near the upscaling on my old Toshiba HD-DVD player. But these are just my general impressions, no scientific testing by any stretch. Every Sony I've ever seen looks softer than other players, which is fine, but not the kind of image I prefer.

Of all my recent players, Panny does the best at upscaling, IMO, if the settings are right. Out of the box, it looks terrible.
You've mentioned this a few times before. What settings need to be changed to get the most out of a Panny? I have the BDT230 from 2013 and it doesn't have many picture options.
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I have to strongly disagree with you guys. I own the PS3, Pioneer BDP-320, Pioneer BDP-51FD, Panasonic BDT-310, LG BD590, Yamaha S1800, Sony BDP-5100, Sony BDP-S1000ES, and Sony BDP-790 among others. I bought all of them with the objective of finding a player that would make DVDs on an HDTV look as good as they did on a Toshiba CRT that I used to own. All of the players above were lauded at some point on this forum for impressive DVD upscaling. The Sony BDP-790 is head and shoulders above all the other players I own when it comes to DVD upscaling. The DVD upscaling of the Sony BDP-790 is just superb. I also bought a Sony BDP-6200 after they dropped to $128, but it's still in the box and I haven't had a chance to test it. I've heard the DVD upscaling of the 6200 is just as good as the 790.

The only reason I don't own an Oppo is because I've struggled with the idea of paying 500 for a bluray player. I may change my mind at some point, I'm curious to see how the Oppos compare with Sony's flagship units.

That's a whole lot of players to search through. Drop a few and combine the money and you get one Oppo... you know - one player to rule them all


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FWIW, I couldn't tell any difference between my 790 and all my other Sony players. None came anywhere near the upscaling on my old Toshiba HD-DVD player. But these are just my general impressions, no scientific testing by any stretch. Every Sony I've ever seen looks softer than other players, which is fine, but not the kind of image I prefer.

Of all my recent players, Panny does the best at upscaling, IMO, if the settings are right. Out of the box, it looks terrible.

I've got a Toshiba HD-A35 and two Oppos (BDP-83 and BDP-103D), and the HD-A35 is at least their equal in upscaling DVD's.

Still love that thing, and play it fairly often. The 103D is my workhorse now.
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Blue Ray Player Quality?

Noob Question: But I bought my BR player back in 2011 or so as a open box, cheapo samsung. Iv never had any complaints.

However, iv now upgraded my system to something respectable and was wondering if the blue ray player really makes much of a difference? Would buying a newer one with a 150 or so budget be worthwhile?
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Noob Question: But I bought my BR player back in 2011 or so as a open box, cheapo samsung. Iv never had any complaints.

However, iv now upgraded my system to something respectable and was wondering if the blue ray player really makes much of a difference? Would buying a newer one with a 150 or so budget be worthwhile?
If you've got no complaints, there's no need to move on.

The differences may be streaming support or faster drive operations. If those aren't important and what you have is working, then I'd just call it a day and spend the money on something else.

Bluray quality is the same, so unless you're watching a lot of DVDs or having problems with some new titles, I'd stay with what you got.
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If you've got no complaints, there's no need to move on.

The differences may be streaming support or faster drive operations. If those aren't important and what you have is working, then I'd just call it a day and spend the money on something else.

Bluray quality is the same, so unless you're watching a lot of DVDs or having problems with some new titles, I'd stay with what you got.
Great. I figured id just upgrade when I get a new receiver so I can get 3d support, even though I never watch 3d. I guess that might be because i dont have a 3d player or receiver haha
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Great. I figured id just upgrade when I get a new receiver so I can get 3d support, even though I never watch 3d. I guess that might be because i dont have a 3d player or receiver haha
Far be it from me to stand in the way of upgradeitis. I've done it myself, bought an Oppo 103D when I had an Oppo 83 already. I approve of the sickness.

You could get a less than 100 player that supports 3D when you get a new receiver, but if you never watch 3D, then why?

If you want to upgrade and have money burning its way through your pocket, then sure. Failing that, the quality is the same, so unless you want something specific (faster loading, streaming...) enjoy your good investment.
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Far be it from me to stand in the way of upgradeitis. I've done it myself, bought an Oppo 103D when I had an Oppo 83 already. I approve of the sickness.

You could get a less than 100 player that supports 3D when you get a new receiver, but if you never watch 3D, then why?

If you want to upgrade and have money burning its way through your pocket, then sure. Failing that, the quality is the same, so unless you want something specific (faster loading, streaming...) enjoy your good investment.
My money should go to a quality receiver first - no need to waste.
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